Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VII

[aj8000]

Pretty sure the WPG GM is smarter than this.

While WPG GM has been put in a tough spot, there is no doubt that he is expected to make lemonade out of lemons here. As most of know, the return will most likely not be what the Jets fans expect but it should still be a nice haul. Deal should go down close to the U.S. Thanksgiving holiday.

Trouba fatigue is for sure setting in all around the world by now.

Only if a team meets the Jets demand which is highly unlikely considering it appears Trouba is limiting the teams that can bid. Trouba will have a choice to sign or sit. Only after he has signed, will the Jets consider trades that are not equal value. If Trouba decides to sit so be it.

 

[Riptide]

I blame Trouba.

I am not angry at the fact that he doesn't want to play in Canada. Everyone has their preference. What pisses me off is the complete scorched Earth approach he's taking.

This whole "trade me or I sit" crap is an insult to the team and the fans. If he requested a trade and played until a suitable arrangement was found, fine. This whole, "we're not even listening to offers from the Jets" stuff really sours me.

He's coming off his ELC and expects the team to bend to his will......he can rot.

Then, of course comes the excuse jumping.

"I just don't think I want to play the left side and Winnipeg doesn't give me that opportunity."

Ah man that really ****ing sucks. I can see what he's saying but if he just waited, the opportunity would be there. Well it sounds like there's an offer in the works to go to another Canadian team.

"Oh uhhhhh no I actually just don't want to play in Canada."

..................well then...........

You can thank Chevy and him taking 3 years to trade Kane for that. Trouba already saw what happens when you "sign and wait for a reasonable trade", and I don't blame him one bit for wanting nothing to do with that.

 

[aj8000]

Skjei is expansion exempt so he does not have to be protected.

You have to do better than that

 

[Gump Hasek]

Straight to the point.

 

[aj8000]

Straight to the point.

I am going to add this tweet to my responses for now on

 

[Baddkarma]

Pretty sure the Winnipeg GM is standing firm against the trade request and that your take on the situation is incorrect. Why should they trade him now sans his name on a contract and under his terms? Answer: they shouldn't, and likely won't.

Pretty sure the Jets GM would only trade Trouba under the Winnipeg Jets terms and timeline, not Kurt Overhardt's.

That stance sounds good in the paper, may make some bitter ex-Trouba fans feel good, but doesn't do the team any good long or short run.

There are too many variables to list them all but when a player is holding out and no doubt working out on their own there are significant risks. I think that a team will make an offer sufficient enough on or around TGD that will take this headache away from the Jets. That is all.

If this drags out to the summer of 17' who knows what could happen and we all know that NHL front offices do their best to control as many variables as they can. This situation flies in the face of that.

 

[HockeyHead21]

Straight to the point.

What, that other RFA's will do the same if they don't want to play in Winnipeg? Are they seriously worried that others will do this?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

The reason why you guys want JT is because he is such a quality player at a position that is in extremely high demand. If you think we're about to give that quality up for the first half-decent proposal, guess again.

Miller & Skjei for Trouba is just that -- half decent (no better, no worse). I've seen at least half a dozen proposals on here that I would take before this one.

Miller & Skjei is an overpayment for Trouba. Miller has 12 points right now, 2 off the league lead. And he was playing great before he found himself on the current line. He's been one of the best forwards on the #1 offense in the league. Skjei has looked great lately. Not as good on the back end but possibly our second best D-man. You making it sound like this deal is bad on YOUR side makes your opinion seem ignorant. If you can do better than Miller & Skjei go for it, but as it stands now it's an overpayment.

 

[Hunter368]

Straight to the point.

Agreed, as many Jets fans have stated over and over.........

I'm a STH for the Jets and I fully approve this action. Well done Chevy/Chipman.

No problem a player asking for a trade, but we will do it on managements schedule not the players. Players choose to play in the NHL, they must follow the CA. Is this case Jacob has the right to choose a different line of work, but if he wants to play in the NHL before he turns 27 it will be with the Jets until the suitable trade can be arranged.

 

[cobra427]

What, that other RFA's will do the same if they don't want to play in Winnipeg? Are they seriously worried that others will do this?

Maybe Chevy thinks he is Trouba's dad and his teammates are his 12 and 14 year old little brothers, needs to set an example, which is about how much sense is in this logic.

 

[Riptide]

Yet, another nonsensical post. So, you're saying that if a player wants to exercise his rights to hold out, nobody should hold it against them and management and fans should be happy for them. But, if the management does the same thing and exercises their right to keep control of the player, they are villains, trying to destroy the players career.

Funny, how it's only a one way street in your world

Happy? No. It's a ****** situation. But they should at least be good enough individuals to try and make the best of it instead of trying to keep someone somewhere where they do not want to be.

People keep saying "Trouba should have just signed and waited quietly for Chevy to trade him". Well he did wait quietly. He waited 5 months and nothing happened. And he saw exactly what happened with Kane who waited 3 years to get traded and that only happened after he became such an issue that they absolutely had to move him.

Personally I hope Trouba signs a contract before Dec 1 and then dog ****s it until WPG trades him. That way he still accrues his time towards FA status.

 

[aj8000]

What, that other RFA's will do the same if they don't want to play in Winnipeg? Are they seriously worried that others will do this?

You cannot give RFAs the same rights as UFAs. This affects all teams in the NHL not just Winnipeg. Think about it

 

[HockeyHead21]

Maybe Chevy thinks he is Trouba's dad and his teammates are his 12 and 14 year old little brothers, needs to set an example, which is about how much sense is in this logic.

I don't quite understand the logic either. I've read the same from multiple posters as well. Have to set an example, have to set an example, need to show who is boss etc... So if the Jets are worried other kids are going to Trouba them, what's stopping prospects from saying don't draft me, I won't sign.

Is this fiasco going to hurt their chances of signing future UFA's? Would high ticket FA's even want to playing in Winnipeg? Serious question... I've never been there but only hear its cold and boring.

 

[Riptide]

Finally you understand. The Jets will hang on to Trouba just like Kane until they are offered a huge return, just like the Kane trade.

And this is exactly why Trouba wont' sign - and I don't blame him at all. Chevy made his own mess with how poorly he handled the Kane situation.

 

[JetsHomer]

Maybe Chevy thinks he is Trouba's dad and his teammates are his 12 and 14 year old little brothers, needs to set an example, which is about how much sense is in this logic.

You can't be serious with this post....


Yeah I'm sure Chevy will follow your 'logic' and move Trouba for whatever crap he can get. Keep wishing buddy.

 

[Keep Sorokin Me Babe]

Damn Chevy, this sure shows his insecurity with the Winnipeg market

 

[Baddkarma]

Miller & Skjei is an overpayment for Trouba. Miller has 12 points right now, 2 off the league lead. And he was playing great before he found himself on the current line. He's been one of the best forwards on the #1 offense in the league. Skjei has looked great lately. Not as good on the back end but possibly our second best D-man. You making it sound like this deal is bad on YOUR side makes your opinion seem ignorant. If you can do better than Miller & Skjei go for it, but as it stands now it's an overpayment.

This what happens during the season. Young players get better and their teams increase their value so the return that could have been had in October is most likely decreasing which is why so many teams take picks in the end.

If the Jets dont trade Trouba as a matter of honor, which evidently B.McKenzie is reporting, to put RFAs in their place I'm cool with that. Not sure a team is willing to take that hit to their roster or reputation.

 

[HockeyHead21]

You cannot give RFAs the same rights as UFAs. This affects all teams in the NHL not just Winnipeg. Think about it

But it already happens... Kessel and Hamilton wanted out. Drouin tried. Trouba.

Who is giving him UFA rights? If that was the case, he would of been gone on July 1st.

He's steering the ship from the backend. I'm sure teams that have showed serious interest has gauged Trouba's interest in them. Especially if they are prepared to pony up assets for him.

Like the Jets give a damn about the rest of the NHL. If an offer comes along that is good enough, they take it and run. If an offer comes around and they are desperate enough to move on, they take it. I highly doubt other GM's are saying don't do it Chevy. Stand your ground. Think about our RFA's as well.

 

[Riptide]

I don't quite understand the logic either. I've read the same from multiple posters as well. Have to set an example, have to set an example, need to show who is boss etc... So if the Jets are worried other kids are going to Trouba them, what's stopping prospects from saying don't draft me, I won't sign.

Is this fiasco going to hurt their chances of signing future UFA's? Would high ticket FA's even want to playing in Winnipeg? Serious question... I've never been there but only hear its cold and boring.

I posted something similar in the last thread. Players take risks signing somewhere all the time. Sometimes it works out... other times it doesn't (for various reasons). But if a player isn't happy... how WPG has handed this situation and Kanes situation certainly isn't inspiring to someone who may be considering signing with them.

Living in Northern Canada and having been to WPG, it's probably not the first place I'd go, but it's not "that bad". However it certainly takes a certain type of person to make the best of it. But you'd think that a small market team like WPG already has enough issues trying to find quality players, that they wouldn't be making things harder for themselves.

 

[KingDeathMetal]

With the way the Rangers are playing, I'm not sure I want to trade Skjei or any of our forwards. I realize that some of these players will cool down, but man, it's hard not to like what Miller, Hayes, and Skjei are doing, and those would be the most likely candidates to be traded for Trouba.

I'm even wary of trading Nash at this point.

Thinking NYR should just bide its time, see if Shattenkirk can eventually be had on the cheap at the deadline, or just wait to sign him. Selling the farm for Trouba scares me even though I'm 100% positive I've made posts like "TRADE EVERYONE AND THEIR MOM FOR TROUBA!"

 

[tbcwpg]

What, that other RFA's will do the same if they don't want to play in Winnipeg? Are they seriously worried that others will do this?

The precedent that the player has ultimate control over his NHL future, when the CBA says that the don't.

 

[Snowman]

Happy? No. It's a ****** situation. But they should at least be good enough individuals to try and make the best of it instead of trying to keep someone somewhere where they do not want to be.

People keep saying "Trouba should have just signed and waited quietly for Chevy to trade him". Well he did wait quietly. He waited 5 months and nothing happened. And he saw exactly what happened with Kane who waited 3 years to get traded and that only happened after he became such an issue that they absolutely had to move him.

Personally I hope Trouba signs a contract before Dec 1 and then dog ****s it until WPG trades him. That way he still accrues his time towards FA status.

Once again you are wrong. The Jets are being "good enough individuals" and doing what they can to resolve the situation. Trouba is the one limiting the options. I know the truth doesn't fit your narrative, but that is what is going on.

 

[Gm0ney]

There's no record of Trouba's father ever being charged with, or convicted of, any crime. He was fired in 2009 from the company where he worked for 25 years apparently for stealing company funds, but no record of any charges stemming from that.

 

[Snowman]

And this is exactly why Trouba wont' sign - and I don't blame him at all. Chevy made his own mess with how poorly he handled the Kane situation.

Well, at least you understand the problem is that Trouba won't sign and that is all on him.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Damn Chevy, this sure shows his insecurity with the Winnipeg market

Actually, not wanting to set a precedent by allowing a player that is exiting entry-level to damage his trade value by publicly requesting a trade, by refusing to sign, and by attempting to dictate where he is traded is indicative of nothing other than not wanting to set a precedent by allowing a player that is exiting entry-level to damage his trade value by publicly requesting a trade, by refusing to sign, and by attempting to dictate where he is traded.

Hope that helps.