Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VII

[Gardner McKay]

Actually, not wanting to set a precedent allowing a player that is exiting entry-level to damage his trade value by publicly requesting a trade, refusing to sign, and attempting to dictate where he is traded is indicative of nothing other than that.

Hope that helps.

To be fair though, did Trouba not privately request a trade prior to going public?

 

[Paradise*]

What, that other RFA's will do the same if they don't want to play in Winnipeg? Are they seriously worried that others will do this?

Inferiority complex.

 

[JimmyG89]

The reason why you guys want JT is because he is such a quality player at a position that is in extremely high demand. If you think we're about to give that quality up for the first half-decent proposal, guess again.

Miller & Skjei for Trouba is just that -- half decent (no better, no worse). I've seen at least half a dozen proposals on here that I would take before this one.

Except the situation is different. If you expect a Hall like return for Trouba, you'd be mistaken. JT Miller, is a top 6 forward, and one year older than Trouba. Sjkei isn't Trouba, but is the same age, and has potential to be a top 4 (honestly is already) defender.

If that isn't enough for you, then you can keep an unhappy player under your control while your team continues to flounder and fail to meet expectation.

 

[Stream*]

Miller & Skjei is an overpayment for Trouba. Miller has 12 points right now, 2 off the league lead. And he was playing great before he found himself on the current line. He's been one of the best forwards on the #1 offense in the league. Skjei has looked great lately. Not as good on the back end but possibly our second best D-man. You making it sound like this deal is bad on YOUR side makes your opinion seem ignorant. If you can do better than Miller & Skjei go for it, but as it stands now it's an overpayment.

Great we will take you off our list of interested buyers, thanks for the offer of stuff we don't need. We have your resume on file and will call you if something comes up. I am sure we have your number on file.

 

[nyr__1994]

Actually, not wanting to set a precedent by allowing a player that is exiting entry-level to damage his trade value by publicly requesting a trade, refusing to sign, and attempting to dictate where he is traded is indicative of nothing other than not wanting to set a precedent by allowing a player that is exiting entry-level to damage his trade value by publicly requesting a trade, refusing to sign, and attempting to dictate where he is traded.

Hope that helps.

But he did this first in private and gave your GM 5 months to make a trade. I am going to keep bringing up the Evander Kane situation because they are tied together. Chevy set the precedent that he takes FOREVER to make a deal. Once Trouba got to the point where he was going to start missing games he went nuclear and is playing the only leverage he has to get out. Once he signs his contract he is essentially stuck in Winnipeg until Chevy says or the contract expires. Right now, while undesirable, he does have other options (Europe, KHL etc).

I guess come Dec 1 we are going to find out how badly he wants out of Winnipeg.

 

[wintersej]

I blame Trouba.

I am not angry at the fact that he doesn't want to play in Canada. Everyone has their preference. What pisses me off is the complete scorched Earth approach he's taking.

This whole "trade me or I sit" crap is an insult to the team and the fans. If he requested a trade and played until a suitable arrangement was found, fine. This whole, "we're not even listening to offers from the Jets" stuff really sours me.

He's coming off his ELC and expects the team to bend to his will......he can rot.

Then, of course comes the excuse jumping.

"I just don't think I want to play the left side and Winnipeg doesn't give me that opportunity."

Ah man that really ****ing sucks. I can see what he's saying but if he just waited, the opportunity would be there. Well it sounds like there's an offer in the works to go to another Canadian team.

"Oh uhhhhh no I actually just don't want to play in Canada."

..................well then...........

When it takes the Jets three years to trade Kane, what did you expect?

 

[GoJetsGo55]

When it takes the Jets three years to trade Kane, what did you expect?

I get that but it's not like he couldn't keep stressing the issue. Trades can take time. Chevy has to do what's best for the Jets or else he's out of a job.

Also, what did Kane do? He played it out until a trade occurred and the Jets got a haul for it.

 

[Paradise*]

When it takes the Jets three years to trade Kane, what did you expect?

Small town GM. Small town attitude...no rush.

 

[nyr__1994]

I get that but it's not like he couldn't keep stressing the issue. Trades can take time. Chevy has to do what's best for the Jets or else he's out of a job.

Also, what did Kane do? He played it out until a trade occurred and the Jets got a haul for it.

You left out the part where he realized he wasn't going to get traded and became a locker room cancer to force his way out.....

 

[JetsHomer]

To be fair though, did Trouba not privately request a trade prior to going public?

What does that have to do with anything? He is still using the fact that he is unsigned to force his way to certain teams only, drastically lowering his trade value. Why would Chevy accommodate him when he is intentionally lowering his trade value in an effort to move to certain teams only?

The easiest way for Trouba to be traded would be to sign a market level contract and raising his value. By refusing to sign except in a place he deems acceptable he is lowering his value and giving the Jets zero incentive to actually get a move made.

 

[WaveRaven]

Kane was only traded because of the dressing room. You would be hearing about his court dates as a Jet right now otherwise.

Kane was asking out scored 30 and Chevy sat waiting and wiating .... And now people expect Trouba to sign and wait

 

[Paradise*]

I get that but it's not like he couldn't keep stressing the issue. Trades can take time. Chevy has to do what's best for the Jets or else he's out of a job.

Also, what did Kane do? He played it out until a trade occurred and the Jets got a haul for it.

Chevy's got one of the most secure jobs in the NHL. He could literally **** on Chipman's desk with zero consequences. The only one with more job security is the former equipment manager.

 

[Hunter368]

Damn Chevy, this sure shows his insecurity with the Winnipeg market

No, it's means that he intends to follow the CA that was negotiated in good faith by ownership and the NHLPA. In a union environment one must follow the CA, otherwise why have one in the first? Without a CA all small market teams would be at a further disadvantage then they are today. NHL wants it to be as fair and level ground for all markets, big or small, Canadian or American. If we start allowing players to circumvent the CA on what team they play for, what position they play on the team, etc......where does it stop? There is no point to the CA then and the NHL as a whole will suffer. Trouba is trying to circumvent the CA in a clever way, he hasn't broken any rules, but his intent is clear. The Jets are trying to honour the CA in good faith as it was intended when it was wrote and agreed to be the NHLPA.

Well done Chevy & Chipman

 

[jetsjetsjets]

But he did this first in private and gave your GM 5 months to make a trade. I am going to keep bringing up the Evander Kane situation because they are tied together. Chevy set the precedent that he takes FOREVER to make a deal. Once Trouba got to the point where he was going to start missing games he went nuclear and is playing the only leverage he has to get out. Once he signs his contract he is essentially stuck in Winnipeg until Chevy says or the contract expires. Right now, while undesirable, he does have other options (Europe, KHL etc).

I guess come Dec 1 we are going to find out how badly he wants out of Winnipeg.

Whether the Jets wait 5 months in the off season or trade him the day he makes the request, it's still setting the precedent. RFA's trade requests should only be granted if it makes sense for the team. Chevy is doing a great job of putting the team before any individual player. Why have RFA's if one of the main sticking points is the teams right to a player?

All you're thinking about is Trouba the individual. How would the other Jets players feel when their GM is trading away crucial pieces for lesser commodities? Are they going to want to play for a team that will allow themselves to be walked over and become less competitive just to cater to an individual? None of what you're saying makes sense in the reality that is the NHL under the current CBA.

 

[Gardner McKay]

What does that have to do with anything? He is still using the fact that he is unsigned to force his way to certain teams only, drastically lowering his trade value. Why would Chevy accommodate him when he is intentionally lowering his trade value in an effort to move to certain teams only?

The easiest way for Trouba to be traded would be to sign a market level contract and raising his value. By refusing to sign except in a place he deems acceptable he is lowering his value and giving the Jets zero incentive to actually get a move made.

What does it have to do with anything? If you take a peak at the post I quoted...

Actually, not wanting to set a precedent by allowing a player that is exiting entry-level to damage his trade value by publicly requesting a trade, by refusing to sign, and by attempting to dictate where he is traded is indicative of nothing other than not wanting to set a precedent by allowing a player that is exiting entry-level to damage his trade value by publicly requesting a trade, by refusing to sign, and by attempting to dictate where he is traded.

Hope that helps.

I understand what Gump is saying here and normally, I would agree 100% with this statement. I was simply asking for someone to confirm if it was true that Trouba was PRIVATELY requesting a trade before PUBLICLY requesting a trade. If it is true, than the point regarding publicly requesting a trade doesn't seem to hold as much water consider Trouba did go the private route first...

Additionally, it would put more of the blame on Cheveldayoff which, no one seems to want to do.

 

[Snowman]

But he did this first in private and gave your GM 5 months to make a trade. I am going to keep bringing up the Evander Kane situation because they are tied together. Chevy set the precedent that he takes FOREVER to make a deal. Once Trouba got to the point where he was going to start missing games he went nuclear and is playing the only leverage he has to get out. Once he signs his contract he is essentially stuck in Winnipeg until Chevy says or the contract expires. Right now, while undesirable, he does have other options (Europe, KHL etc).

I guess come Dec 1 we are going to find out how badly he wants out of Winnipeg.

I posted this in the last thread after you posted this for the what, the 10th time? But, it was the the end of the thread so you may have missed it.

Your point just doesn't make sense. Trouba wants to be traded, but is doing everything in his power to hamper that. It is far more likely that Trouba miscalculated and thought the Jets would cave and trade him for whatever they could get, ending the situation quickly and making all his dreams come true. He was wrong.

So, doing what he's doing he may still sit for a few years except he won't get paid. That's why the argument makes no sense.

 

[Paradise*]

Kane was only traded because of the dressing room. You would be hearing about his court dates as a Jet right now otherwise.

Kane was asking out scored 30 and Chevy sat waiting and wiating .... And now people expect Trouba to sign and wait

Chevy can do no wrong in some fans eyes. Same goes for TNSE. Look at the small town chants for a corporation making money off them. I mute the anthems when watching on TV.

 

[LeafsTop6]

When it takes the Jets three years to trade Kane, what did you expect?

can he really be a holdout if he doesn't have a contract?

 

[Paradise*]

No, it's means that he intends to follow the CA that was negotiated in good faith by ownership and the NHLPA. In a union environment one must follow the CA, otherwise why have one in the first? Without a CA all small market teams would be at a further disadvantage then they are today. NHL wants it to be as fair and level ground for all markets, big or small, Canadian or American. If we start allowing players to circumvent the CA on what team they play for, what position they play on the team, etc......where does it stop? There is no point to the CA then and the NHL as a whole will suffer. Trouba is trying to circumvent the CA in a clever way, he hasn't broken any rules, but his intent is clear. The Jets are trying to honour the CA in good faith as it was intended when it was wrote and agreed to be the NHLPA.

Well done Chevy & Chipman

Player's in all leagues request trades no matter what their CBA says. That's what you get when dealing with individuals.

 

[Paradise*]

can he really be a holdout if he doesn't have a contract?

But the Jets own his soul

 

[JetsHomer]

Kane was only traded because of the dressing room. You would be hearing about his court dates as a Jet right now otherwise.

Kane was asking out scored 30 and Chevy sat waiting and wiating .... And now people expect Trouba to sign and wait

So you expect Trouba to not sign and still wait?

Player's in all leagues request trades no matter what their CBA says. That's what you get when dealing with individuals.

And many players that request trades don't end up getting moved because it's not beneficial to the team. It is what it is and that's the nature of hockey.

 

[ffh]

Chevy's got one of the most secure jobs in the NHL. He could literally **** on Chipman's desk with zero consequences. The only one with more job security is the former equipment manager.

signs a 5 year contract when they hire him extends it by 2 years with 2.5 years left to go on it. now is 6 months from a lame duck with only 1.5 years left on the 7 year total. I don't think he is a lock to get extension over the next 6 months. he would have been extended by know like his last extension if they thought the world of him.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

You left out the part where he realized he wasn't going to get traded and became a locker room cancer to force his way out.....

That's speculation. It's not like he cleaned up his act in Buffalo.

 

[buggs]

can he really be a holdout if he doesn't have a contract?

Relative to the CBA as signed by the league and the NHLPA, the latter of which Trouba is a member of, absolutely yes. But he's within his rights simply because he's not collecting a paycheque. Totally his option to sit as long as he likes.

Player's in all leagues request trades no matter what their CBA says. That's what you get when dealing with individuals.

Of course they do. Most of them do it as professionals however and earn money while doing so. Any player can ask for a trade from any market they are playing in. No team with a signed contract is obligated to honor that request though.

As with Trouba he is not obligated to report to Winnipeg. But nor is he entitled to earn a cent from another NHL team. Not because the Jets are mean, not because he's a bad person for not signing. It's just business.

Trouba is simply exercising his right to not play for Winnipeg. Unfortunately for him the CBA indicates that Winnipeg controls his NHL rights until he's played 7 seasons in the NHL or reaches age 27, whichever comes first to give him UFA status. He's still free to play hockey, just not in the NHL or affiliated leagues.

The Jets are simply exercising their rights under the CBA to control their asset. They can take as much or as little time as they like to get a return for their asset. It's in their best interest to obtain the best return they can. It's just business.

Any opinions any of us have are speculative and subjective relative to the biases we hold.

 

[Hunter368]

Player's in all leagues request trades no matter what their CBA says. That's what you get when dealing with individuals.

As I stated in my post, yes this happens and is reasonable.

But the tail doesn't wag the dog, if a trade can be arranged it's at management discretion and time line. Anything else undermines the CA and the league stability/competiveness as a whole.