Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VII

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aj8000

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LOL - right about now I'm thinking the NYI would be very nice because there's been a few real irritating fans...

They are just bitter that the Jets did not trade him to their team for a song and a dance.
 

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It doesn't, and the only people that know what trade discussions have taken place are Chevy and the GMs he has discussed a trade with.

A vetted poster said the NYR had made a significant offer for Shattenkirk right before the season started. Significant enough to gather the entire STL brain trust to discuss the offer. In the end STL decided to stand pat.

What this tells me is that there is a team out there that is actively looking for a RD and is willing to make significant offers for those available RD.

The good news is all the Jets fans will get a good look at Brady Skjei on Sunday.

Lets see here, NYR made an offer to StL for Shattenkirk that perked the Blues interest enough that they had a team meeting.......therefore, one has to assume that the Jets have already been offered sufficient return in trade for Trouba (because he too is a RHD).

Yep, right from the apple & orange cart. Hmmm:dunno::headache::facepalm::facepalm:
 

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no...they are not the same no matter how you try to paint the picture. Trouba had an average of 22 minutes of Ice time, I'd say that's sufficient playing opportunity. He was also promised first pairing this year....try again..... oh and offered a reported 6x5.5 contract...I'd say your argument falls flat.

Try to keep up and provide some real statements. Jets were going to move trouba to the left side instead of the right side....that is usage and not the opportunity to play on the right side like he wants. First pairing left side....not the opportunity he wants. He was not offered 5.5....it was reported that the Jets were prepared to offer him 5.5 but as the quote from over hart stated...it has not been discussed because it is not an issue. Keep throwing out the strawman... only shows your intellect.
 

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out of curiosity.. what do you jets fans think of krejci.. i feel like a change of scenery (and more importantly, a change of system) would help him tremendously .. your team is so young and majority of your older guys contracts are up soon. you have the money to afford him and look like you could use a guy like him.. good on the pp, good in his own zone..i agree the money is a lot, which is why i would put this out there.

to jets: krejci (if he agrees to go)
subban
zboril


to bruins: trouba
stafford

again.. for curiosity sakes. just trying to think how both teams could benefit . is that enough value? the money makes sense . you would have two rfa goalies after this year maybe winnipeg doesnt want that? not sure.

Kreji at 7.25 X 5 or whatever -- not a chance we take on that kind of salary for a player we don't even want or need. Nor do we need a G. Given the rest of your proposal, I assume Zboril is also having a bad showing lately.
 

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No, but management also shouldn't be surprised when players are unhappy with how they are treated either.

Yet, another nonsensical post. So, you're saying that if a player wants to exercise his rights to hold out, nobody should hold it against them and management and fans should be happy for them. But, if the management does the same thing and exercises their right to keep control of the player, they are villains, trying to destroy the players career.

Funny, how it's only a one way street in your world
 

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Not sure if this has come up previously but...

If Trouba doesn't sign or isn't traded by Dec. 1 how does this play out with the expansion draft? He's not exempt and unless he's protected by WPG he'd be exposed...is this accurate?

If he'd be free game for Las Vegas to pick do the Jets protect him knowing he doesn't want to sign? How much would his value drop if the above were the case? While Chevy is doing his best to get the most value now before Dec. 1, does the expansion draft put pressure on him to:

A) Protect Trouba knowing he won't sign
B) Expose him and most likely lose him...I can't see Las Vagas not taking him
C) Trade him for what my guess is a less than attractive package

Thoughts?
 

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How about we trade you melchiori for McD instead, you seem to cherish "blossoming" players. Face it Trouba would step in and be one of your top players, and you are not getting him for blossoms.

From Hockeys Future:

Like some of the other IceCaps defensemen, Melchiori does not appear to have a huge upside in terms of scoring but plays a hard scrabble game and has gotten more consistent each season. Long-term he projects as a depth defenseman at the NHL level.

Skjei made his NHL debut with the Rangers in a December 15th game against Edmonton and appeared in seven regular season games with New York, spending most of the 2015-16 season with the AHL's Hartford Wolf Pack. The top young defensemen in the Rangers' system, he projects as a puck mover who can control the play with his skating.

Because they are such similar players with similar projections. Skjei is already in the NHL, his ice time is increasing, he is running the 2nd PP unit, and has 6 assists in 11 games.

But that is not a player the Jets have a need for...
 

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I think the fan proposals from the Rangers have been the best over the past 6000 posts. While not specifically what Chevy is demanding offers including Skjei and a top 6 forward is more than fair value and pretty tempting.

Was that offered though? We have no idea.

If that was offered before the season maybe Chevy wanted to see Skjei play a while before pulling the trigger. With the Rangers fantastic start maybe they would not offer that much anymore?

Given the grief we've had from NYR fans here, I'd stock that proposal into the also ran bunch. have no desire to give them what they need for a possible LHD top-4 player & a top 6 forward that we don't need.

I want more and/or better D prospects than Skjei & prepared to throw a good F prospect/players into the deal to accomplish that.
 

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Yet, another nonsensical post. So, you're saying that if a player wants to exercise his rights to hold out, nobody should hold it against them and management and fans should be happy for them. But, if the management does the same thing and exercises their right to keep control of the player, they are villains, trying to destroy the players career.

Funny, how it's only a one way street in your world

I am not at all saying it is a 1 way street. I am saying it is a two way street. There are two sides to every situation. Where did I say that Jets management are villans? I just said that the pace that Chevy has moved in the past to honor a players trade request has possibly had an effect on how Trouba has handled his request.
 

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Kreji at 7.25 X 5 or whatever -- not a chance we take on that kind of salary for a player we don't even want or need. Nor do we need a G. Given the rest of your proposal, I assume Zboril is also having a bad showing lately.

Actually, no , zboril is playing very good this year .. it will be interesting to see his role now that ottawa has sent chabot back there. His stat line was a little surprising last year but according to a lot of people that watch that league, he was mostly cast as one of the shut down d. drafted in the first round for his talents, the make up has always been questioned.
 

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Given the grief we've had from NYR fans here, I'd stock that proposal into the also ran bunch. have no desire to give them what they need for a possible LHD top-4 player & a top 6 forward that we don't need.

I want more and/or better D prospects than Skjei & prepared to throw a good F prospect/players into the deal to accomplish that.

To put those type of offers in context, how would Jets fans have felt at the draft if Chevy gave up JT for the Ranger's fans offerings of Skjei plus? I think Chevy would have been run out of town on a rail. So, why is it a good offer now? Answer: It isn't. Some are simply willing to accept a lousy offer because it is easy and convenient. Glad that Chevy is a patient man, as are most Jets fans.
 

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For the people saying 'The Jets need to trade Trouba now before his value decreases' my question is how does that make sense?

What we know is that Trouba is using his unsigned status as leverage over teams, essentially saying he will only play where he wants. This is a very simple concept of supply and demand, if there are only a few options that Trouba will accept a trade too, these teams will not offer full value as they are only competing against themselves.

Would it not make far more sense for the Jets to doubledown and force Trouba to sign a contract with them? As RFA under contract he can not receive no move protection and the Jets would be free to move him to any team in the league, including Canadian teams or teams that Trouba would not negotiate a contract with.

People can say 'the Jets need to trade him right now or his value will continue to drop' but this is blatantly untrue. His value is already dropped by his trade demand and refusal to talk contract except to teams he deems appropriate. The proper way to return him to a full value asset is to hold your ground and force him to sign a contract with your team, thus widely increasing the number of teams that would be interested in his services.

I guess that doesn't jive with all the other posters here that want to get him for a song though, but I'm betting the Jets will do the smart thing for them and not the smart thing for other teams around the league
 

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Updatery:

NHL Hot Seats:

Kurt Overhardt and Jacob Trouba: There’s no sign of a trade coming for Trouba as the Winnipeg Jets appear prepared to outwait their young defenceman. If Trouba doesn’t have a contract by Dec. 1, he can’t play in the NHL this season. Overhardt, his agent, might be on the hottest seat in the NHL. Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff has the support of ownership on this issue. If there isn’t a resolution by Dec. 1, Cheveldayoff will have to begin mulling where this is heading long term. Is Trouba willing to miss an entire NHL season or more to have his trade demand met?
http://www.tsn.ca/a-look-at-potential-hot-seat-situations-across-the-nhl-1.600270
 

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Lets see here, NYR made an offer to StL for Shattenkirk that perked the Blues interest enough that they had a team meeting.......therefore, one has to assume that the Jets have already been offered sufficient return in trade for Trouba (because he too is a RHD).

Yep, right from the apple & orange cart. Hmmm:dunno::headache::facepalm::facepalm:

That is all we can do right now is assume. It can be a logical assumption that because the NYR have made a substantial offer for Shatt, that they have also made a substantial offer for other RD's in the league, not just Trouba.
 

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From Hockeys Future:





Because they are such similar players with similar projections. Skjei is already in the NHL, his ice time is increasing, he is running the 2nd PP unit, and has 6 assists in 11 games.

But that is not a player the Jets have a need for...
So make it kitchen for McD...his numbers are way better than Skjei and was an AHL all star in his first season. Obviously a blossoming player that could step right in to the Rangers lineup. Send over the papers.


Kichton reads the play well and has accurate passing skill. He handles the defensive side of the game well considering his lack of imposing size; playing a smart game in his own end. Kichton could be an effective power play quarterback along the lines of a Brian Campbell.
 

aj8000

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Not sure if this has come up previously but...

If Trouba doesn't sign or isn't traded by Dec. 1 how does this play out with the expansion draft? He's not exempt and unless he's protected by WPG he'd be exposed...is this accurate?

If he'd be free game for Las Vegas to pick do the Jets protect him knowing he doesn't want to sign? How much would his value drop if the above were the case? While Chevy is doing his best to get the most value now before Dec. 1, does the expansion draft put pressure on him to:

A) Protect Trouba knowing he won't sign
B) Expose him and most likely lose him...I can't see Las Vagas not taking him
C) Trade him for what my guess is a less than attractive package

Thoughts?

Nothing to think about. As of this moment, they will protect him end of story and there has already been way too much speculation on this thread already
 

aj8000

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That is all we can do right now is assume. It can be a logical assumption that because the NYR have made a substantial offer for Shatt, that they have also made a substantial offer for other RD's in the league, not just Trouba.

No you cannot make the assumption that they made offers to both. It is like the song that never ends with Rangers fans these days.
 

aj8000

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More media window dressing by Chevy/Jets. I would say the same thing to get max value by December 1st in a trade.

Maybe it is the truth and not window dressing. The point the jets are trying to make to Trouba is if you want ot play hockey, you need to sign with the jets. Only after he signs will they consider trade offers to the team that gives them the best deal. Trouba has been trying to control where he ends up and if he continues, he will end up sitting out the year. he is a RFA and has not earned UFA rights yet.
 

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That is all we can do right now is assume. It can be a logical assumption that because the NYR have made a substantial offer for Shatt, that they have also made a substantial offer for other RD's in the league, not just Trouba.

The prices will be different given Shattenkirk's pending UFA status. NYR aren't going to give up as much as they would for a long-term asset, and St. Louis would accept a little less as they know they only have one more year of control.

I think I'm in the minority of Jets fans when I say I'm happy with Skjei and Miller - I'd only take Hayes as a last resort as, to me, he seems like another kid who wants to play on the East Coast near his family, from what I've seen from him on the 24/7 shows, etc. Skjei and Miller is, to me, the best proposal on here so far, but the question is if it's enough for Chevy to want to move Trouba. Does Skjei have to be protected in the expansion draft? Miller does, I'm pretty sure.
 

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So the Jets and the league should bend to his will cause his father made a poor decision? I understand that family issues come up in life but when you sign up to be a pro hockey player you do so understanding the pros and cons of the profession. If Trouba believes the cons are outweighing the pros then maybe he just retire and consider a career change.

If Jets just cave and trade him in a hurry then many more RFA's who aren't exactly happy with where they are will try and force a trade once their elc is up.

I personally believe that with the league getting younger and players making greater impacts at younger ages, that the RFA/UFA rules need a little tweaking but until the next CBA comes up these players need to be professionals.

There's just so much wrong with this that I don't even know where to start.

I guess I'll just leave it at this. The Winnipeg Jets as a franchise and an organization should strive to do the best they can with and for their players. And at times that means accommodating them when unfortunate circumstances like this come up. You don't have to like it, but if it's true that JT's father can't enter Canada, then I don't blame JT for not wanting to sign an extension to stay there - especially after it took how many years to trade Kane. I mean do you really think it's in their best interests to hang onto an unhappy Trouba? We already saw how that played out with Kane. Winnipeg should have traded him several years before, but they didn't and we all saw how that played out.
 
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