They are just bitter that the Jets did not trade him to their team for a song and a dance.
Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VII
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They are just bitter that the Jets did not trade him to their team for a song and a dance.
CaptainChef
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Lets see here, NYR made an offer to StL for Shattenkirk that perked the Blues interest enough that they had a team meeting.......therefore, one has to assume that the Jets have already been offered sufficient return in trade for Trouba (because he too is a RHD).
Yep, right from the apple & orange cart. Hmmm
Try to keep up and provide some real statements. Jets were going to move trouba to the left side instead of the right side....that is usage and not the opportunity to play on the right side like he wants. First pairing left side....not the opportunity he wants. He was not offered 5.5....it was reported that the Jets were prepared to offer him 5.5 but as the quote from over hart stated...it has not been discussed because it is not an issue. Keep throwing out the strawman... only shows your intellect.
CaptainChef
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Kreji at 7.25 X 5 or whatever -- not a chance we take on that kind of salary for a player we don't even want or need. Nor do we need a G. Given the rest of your proposal, I assume Zboril is also having a bad showing lately.
Yet, another nonsensical post. So, you're saying that if a player wants to exercise his rights to hold out, nobody should hold it against them and management and fans should be happy for them. But, if the management does the same thing and exercises their right to keep control of the player, they are villains, trying to destroy the players career.
Funny, how it's only a one way street in your world
Not sure if this has come up previously but...
If Trouba doesn't sign or isn't traded by Dec. 1 how does this play out with the expansion draft? He's not exempt and unless he's protected by WPG he'd be exposed...is this accurate?
If he'd be free game for Las Vegas to pick do the Jets protect him knowing he doesn't want to sign? How much would his value drop if the above were the case? While Chevy is doing his best to get the most value now before Dec. 1, does the expansion draft put pressure on him to:
A) Protect Trouba knowing he won't sign
B) Expose him and most likely lose him...I can't see Las Vagas not taking him
C) Trade him for what my guess is a less than attractive package
Thoughts?
If Trouba doesn't sign or isn't traded by Dec. 1 how does this play out with the expansion draft? He's not exempt and unless he's protected by WPG he'd be exposed...is this accurate?
If he'd be free game for Las Vegas to pick do the Jets protect him knowing he doesn't want to sign? How much would his value drop if the above were the case? While Chevy is doing his best to get the most value now before Dec. 1, does the expansion draft put pressure on him to:
A) Protect Trouba knowing he won't sign
B) Expose him and most likely lose him...I can't see Las Vagas not taking him
C) Trade him for what my guess is a less than attractive package
Thoughts?
From Hockeys Future:
Because they are such similar players with similar projections. Skjei is already in the NHL, his ice time is increasing, he is running the 2nd PP unit, and has 6 assists in 11 games.
But that is not a player the Jets have a need for...
CaptainChef
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Given the grief we've had from NYR fans here, I'd stock that proposal into the also ran bunch. have no desire to give them what they need for a possible LHD top-4 player & a top 6 forward that we don't need.
I want more and/or better D prospects than Skjei & prepared to throw a good F prospect/players into the deal to accomplish that.
I am not at all saying it is a 1 way street. I am saying it is a two way street. There are two sides to every situation. Where did I say that Jets management are villans? I just said that the pace that Chevy has moved in the past to honor a players trade request has possibly had an effect on how Trouba has handled his request.
BigBear83
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Actually, no , zboril is playing very good this year .. it will be interesting to see his role now that ottawa has sent chabot back there. His stat line was a little surprising last year but according to a lot of people that watch that league, he was mostly cast as one of the shut down d. drafted in the first round for his talents, the make up has always been questioned.
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To put those type of offers in context, how would Jets fans have felt at the draft if Chevy gave up JT for the Ranger's fans offerings of Skjei plus? I think Chevy would have been run out of town on a rail. So, why is it a good offer now? Answer: It isn't. Some are simply willing to accept a lousy offer because it is easy and convenient. Glad that Chevy is a patient man, as are most Jets fans.
JetsHomer
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For the people saying 'The Jets need to trade Trouba now before his value decreases' my question is how does that make sense?
What we know is that Trouba is using his unsigned status as leverage over teams, essentially saying he will only play where he wants. This is a very simple concept of supply and demand, if there are only a few options that Trouba will accept a trade too, these teams will not offer full value as they are only competing against themselves.
Would it not make far more sense for the Jets to doubledown and force Trouba to sign a contract with them? As RFA under contract he can not receive no move protection and the Jets would be free to move him to any team in the league, including Canadian teams or teams that Trouba would not negotiate a contract with.
People can say 'the Jets need to trade him right now or his value will continue to drop' but this is blatantly untrue. His value is already dropped by his trade demand and refusal to talk contract except to teams he deems appropriate. The proper way to return him to a full value asset is to hold your ground and force him to sign a contract with your team, thus widely increasing the number of teams that would be interested in his services.
I guess that doesn't jive with all the other posters here that want to get him for a song though, but I'm betting the Jets will do the smart thing for them and not the smart thing for other teams around the league
What we know is that Trouba is using his unsigned status as leverage over teams, essentially saying he will only play where he wants. This is a very simple concept of supply and demand, if there are only a few options that Trouba will accept a trade too, these teams will not offer full value as they are only competing against themselves.
Would it not make far more sense for the Jets to doubledown and force Trouba to sign a contract with them? As RFA under contract he can not receive no move protection and the Jets would be free to move him to any team in the league, including Canadian teams or teams that Trouba would not negotiate a contract with.
People can say 'the Jets need to trade him right now or his value will continue to drop' but this is blatantly untrue. His value is already dropped by his trade demand and refusal to talk contract except to teams he deems appropriate. The proper way to return him to a full value asset is to hold your ground and force him to sign a contract with your team, thus widely increasing the number of teams that would be interested in his services.
I guess that doesn't jive with all the other posters here that want to get him for a song though, but I'm betting the Jets will do the smart thing for them and not the smart thing for other teams around the league
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Lets see here, NYR made an offer to StL for Shattenkirk that perked the Blues interest enough that they had a team meeting.......therefore, one has to assume that the Jets have already been offered sufficient return in trade for Trouba (because he too is a RHD).
Yep, right from the apple & orange cart. Hmmm
That is all we can do right now is assume. It can be a logical assumption that because the NYR have made a substantial offer for Shatt, that they have also made a substantial offer for other RD's in the league, not just Trouba.
So make it kitchen for McD...his numbers are way better than Skjei and was an AHL all star in his first season. Obviously a blossoming player that could step right in to the Rangers lineup. Send over the papers.
Kichton reads the play well and has accurate passing skill. He handles the defensive side of the game well considering his lack of imposing size; playing a smart game in his own end. Kichton could be an effective power play quarterback along the lines of a Brian Campbell.
BrianLeetch2
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Nothing to think about. As of this moment, they will protect him end of story and there has already been way too much speculation on this thread already
Bye, can you take some other Ranger fans with you who keep repeating the same things over and over
More media window dressing by Chevy/Jets. I would say the same thing to get max value by December 1st in a trade.
No you cannot make the assumption that they made offers to both. It is like the song that never ends with Rangers fans these days.
Maybe it is the truth and not window dressing. The point the jets are trying to make to Trouba is if you want ot play hockey, you need to sign with the jets. Only after he signs will they consider trade offers to the team that gives them the best deal. Trouba has been trying to control where he ends up and if he continues, he will end up sitting out the year. he is a RFA and has not earned UFA rights yet.
BrianLeetch2
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I wish I could....we(most ranger fans,not me) are so thirsty for this player who is so over valued by their own fan base.
tbcwpg
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The prices will be different given Shattenkirk's pending UFA status. NYR aren't going to give up as much as they would for a long-term asset, and St. Louis would accept a little less as they know they only have one more year of control.
I think I'm in the minority of Jets fans when I say I'm happy with Skjei and Miller - I'd only take Hayes as a last resort as, to me, he seems like another kid who wants to play on the East Coast near his family, from what I've seen from him on the 24/7 shows, etc. Skjei and Miller is, to me, the best proposal on here so far, but the question is if it's enough for Chevy to want to move Trouba. Does Skjei have to be protected in the expansion draft? Miller does, I'm pretty sure.
There's just so much wrong with this that I don't even know where to start.
I guess I'll just leave it at this. The Winnipeg Jets as a franchise and an organization should strive to do the best they can with and for their players. And at times that means accommodating them when unfortunate circumstances like this come up. You don't have to like it, but if it's true that JT's father can't enter Canada, then I don't blame JT for not wanting to sign an extension to stay there - especially after it took how many years to trade Kane. I mean do you really think it's in their best interests to hang onto an unhappy Trouba? We already saw how that played out with Kane. Winnipeg should have traded him several years before, but they didn't and we all saw how that played out.
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