Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VI

[cneely]

Difference is Spooner is reportedly good on PP I told which helps and a 1st added makes it nicer.

As a Bruins fan, I'd think long and hard about Spooner and Carlo for Trouba. I would not add a first.

 

[Ola]

You obviously don't take no (its a ridiculous deal) for an answer do you. Exact same post you posted yesterday.

We totally love Ehlers -- going nowhere, have no need for additional forwards (so Miller & Kreider are out), and you can't even give away McIlrath on waivers so why bother trying to pan him off as something worthwhile.

First of all, players are traded all the time after passing waivers, is this news to you guys? McIlrath needs to play and play a lot, when he went on the waivers any team that picked him only could have played him in the NHL. He is of course a lot more valuable now than before he passed waivers.

Second of all, YOU obviously don't listen to anyone. You have "no need for additional forwards"? is that a joke? Seriously?

How would you rank Winnipeg's depth chart up front?

Center -- 10-15? Schleife is great, but is he the next Toews or the next Backes if you get what I mean? Little and Perrault are ok, but good enough to be 2/3 on a contender? Maybe, but OTOH definitely optimal from a contenders POV.

Right wing -- 20-25? Wheelers can make great plays, but not exactly getting younger and he has never been great overall. After him the depth chart is down right weak.

Left wing -- Sure Laine - will -- become a franchise sniper. Ehlers will become a great 3rd lineer or decent 2nd lineer, at worst. Behind him there isn't much.

Farm -- After the guys already on the team, Winnipeg has a few B and C tier prospect, but not many guys that you can expect to make much of a difference.

How can you claim that no improvements can be made? All the while, big parts of your core are getting older and is on the down side of their careers or just about to enter that phase (Enström, Wheelers, Buff and Co).

Not saying my offer is great, but take my word for it, any claim that one of the worst franchises in the league -- that never in even has had an OK season, have ATL/WPG even won a PO game -- do NOT need additional players, that there is no room for improvement, or whatever, is just ridiculous. Like I don't have a high standard for what I expect from this place, but seriously, just cut that type of argument. It's just embarrassing.

Winnipeg has a ton of things going for them, but without any doubt the long part of the journey is in front of the organization not behind it. There is a TREMENDOUS room for improvement, at every single position.

 

[McLotto 97]

Two questions

#1 I know there is a date that if Trouba does not sign by he has to sit out the whole season. I think it is Dec 1 but could someone confirm that.

#2 Has Trouba Said he wants the USA and only the USA? I have seen his agents quote saying he wants to play a more offensive roll and be a top 4 RD, but have never seen anything that it has to be in USA. Can someone provide a link please.

Thanks

 

[Maukkis]

First of all, players are traded all the time after passing waivers, is this news to you guys? McIlrath needs to play and play a lot, when he went on the waivers any team that picked him only could have played him in the NHL. He is of course a lot more valuable now than before he passed waivers.

Second of all, YOU obviously don't listen to anyone. You have no need for additional forwards, is that a joke? Seriously?

How would you rank Winnipeg's depth chart up front?

Center -- 10-15? Schleife is great, but is he the next Toews or the next Backes if you get what I mean? Little and Perrault are ok, but good enough to be 2/3 on a contender? Maybe, but OTOH definitely optimal from a contenders POV.

Right wing -- 20-25? Wheelers can make great plays, but not exactly getting younger and he has never been great overall. After him the depth chart is down right weak.

Left wing -- Sure Laine - will -- become a franchise sniper. Ehlers will become a great 3rd lineer or decent 2nd lineer, at worst. Behind him there isn't much.

Farm -- After the guys already on the team, Winnipeg has a few B and C tier prospect, but not many guys that you can expect to make much of a difference.

All the while, big parts of your core are getting older and is on the down side of their careers or just about to enter that phase (Enström, Wheelers, Buff and Co).

Not saying my offer is great, but take my word for it, any claim that one of the worst franchises in the league -- that never in even has had an OK season, have ATL/WPG even won a PO game -- do NOT need additional players, that there is no room for improvement, or whatever, is just ridiculous. Like I don't have a high standard for what I expect from this place, but seriously, just cut that type of argument. It's just embarrassing.

Yet you continuously ignore the comments stating that the need at defense is far greater than at forward. We have Stanley, and then nothing significant in our D pipeline. At forward, we have current and upcoming pieces for those important roles.

Kind of hypocritical of you to say that we don't listen.

 

[cneely]

First of all, players are traded all the time after passing waivers, is this news to you guys? McIlrath needs to play and play a lot, when he went on the waivers any team that picked him only could have played him in the NHL. He is of course a lot more valuable now than before he passed waivers.

Second of all, YOU obviously don't listen to anyone. You have no need for additional forwards, is that a joke? Seriously?

How would you rank Winnipeg's depth chart up front?

Center -- 10-15? Schleife is great, but is he the next Toews or the next Backes if you get what I mean? Little and Perrault are ok, but good enough to be 2/3 on a contender? Maybe, but OTOH definitely optimal from a contenders POV.

Right wing -- 20-25? Wheelers can make great plays, but not exactly getting younger and he has never been great overall. After him the depth chart is down right weak.

Left wing -- Sure Laine - will -- become a franchise sniper. Ehlers will become a great 3rd lineer or decent 2nd lineer, at worst. Behind him there isn't much.

Farm -- After the guys already on the team, Winnipeg has a few B and C tier prospect, but not many guys that you can expect to make much of a difference.

All the while, big parts of your core are getting older and is on the down side of their careers or just about to enter that phase (Enström, Wheelers, Buff and Co).

Not saying my offer is great, but take my word for it, any claim that one of the worst franchises in the league -- that never in even has had an OK season, have ATL/WPG even won a PO game -- do NOT need additional players, that there is no room for improvement, or whatever, is just ridiculous. Like I don't have a high standard for what I expect from this place, but seriously, just cut that type of argument. It's just embarrassing.

Dude, are you seriously telling a Jets fan what their needs are? They have a lot of forwards. So many that guys like Petan, Roslovic, Dano, DeLeo and Lemieux are going to be hard pressed to sniff the roster.

In the meantime their best defense prospect is....? Poolman?

 

[cneely]

Two questions

#1 I know there is a date that if Trouba does not sign by he has to sit out the whole season. I think it is Dec 1 but could someone confirm that.

#2 Has Trouba Said he wants the USA and only the USA? I have seen his agents quote saying he wants to play a more offensive roll and be a top 4 RD, but have never seen anything that it has to be in USA. Can someone provide a link please.

Thanks

December 1st, yes.

Apparently his girlfriend wants to attend medical school which is almost impossible for her in Canada as she is not a Canadian citizen.

 

[Caesium]

Trouba is either really loyal to his girlfriend or really stupid if he's willing to tank his career to be near her. Sounds like he's demanding a trade to a specific team, the Jets should just make him sit out to send a message to other players that think they have a no trade clause when their ELC expires.

 

[19Yzerman19]

Trouba is either really loyal to his girlfriend or really stupid if he's willing to tank his career to be near her. Sounds like he's demanding a trade to a specific team, the Jets should just make him sit out to send a message to other players that think they have a no trade clause when their ELC expires.

No he doesn't have a ntc, wpg can trade him to any team they want that's their right. He doesn't have to report to them or the team he gets traded to either, that's his right.

 

[Advanced stats]

Trouba is either really loyal to his girlfriend or really stupid if he's willing to tank his career to be near her. Sounds like he's demanding a trade to a specific team, the Jets should just make him sit out to send a message to other players that think they have a no trade clause when their ELC expires.

I completely respect the guy if he thinks girlfriend/wife>>career. Most people think that way.

 

[Ola]

Dude, are you seriously telling a Jets fan what their needs are? They have a lot of forwards. So many that guys like Petan, Roslovic, Dano, DeLeo and Lemieux are going to be hard pressed to sniff the roster.

In the meantime their best defense prospect is....? Poolman?

Eh, is it not obvious that this is exactly what I was doing?

My point is very clear: No! What you have on the team and on the farm is -- not -- even remotely good enough to become a say top 4-8 team in this league (which must be the goal, right?). Sure, some holes are deeper than others, the hole between the pipes is by far the deepest. But you guys -- must -- get a lot of help all over to become a contender.

It's just completely disillusional to claim that you have no need for improvements in other areas.

I feel like a bully coming here saying that, but what the heck. Enough is enough. My trade proposal is 99.9% pure fantasy, big trades like that never happens. I think someone else than NYR will ant up and give Winnipeg an offer they can't refuse, Trouba is that good. The Rangers can make a really good offer, but they would never do like Kreider+ for Trouba. Is EDM really not an option? Cannot someone like Brodin or Lindholm be made available? There are few options out there that might make the offer Cheevy would jump on.

But please, you guys most certainly has needs at other positons than LD. You got a ton of things going for that team, but....

 

[broc]

We're on part VI and just hit the dumbest comment out of all of them.

Exactly. I wanted to respond, but it's like arguing with a kid.

 

[cneely]

Eh, is it not obvious that this is exactly what I was doing?

My point is very clear: No! What you have on the team and on the farm is -- not -- even remotely good enough to become a say top 4-8 team in this league (which must be the goal, right?). Sure, some holes are deeper than others, the hole between the pipes is by far the deepest. But you guys -- must -- get a lot of help all over to become a contender.

It's just completely disillusional to claim that you have no need for improvements in other areas.

I feel like a bully coming here saying that, but what the heck. Enough is enough. My trade proposal is 99.9% pure fantasy, big trades like that never happens. I think someone else than NYR will ant up and give Winnipeg an offer they can't refuse, Trouba is that good. The Rangers can make a really good offer, but they would never do like Kreider+ for Trouba. Is EDM really not an option? Cannot someone like Brodin or Lindholm be made available? There are few options out there that might make the offer Cheevy would jump on.

But please, you guys most certainly has needs at other positons than LD. You got a ton of things going for that team, but....

Of course they have a lot of holes. Most teams do, and the Jets are still likely a below average team. The thing is that they have drafted very well and most of those holes will / should be filled internally (especially between the pipes with Helly and Comrie). Their defense prospects however are pretty scary.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Trouba is either really loyal to his girlfriend or really stupid if he's willing to tank his career to be near her. Sounds like he's demanding a trade to a specific team, the Jets should just make him sit out to send a message to other players that think they have a no trade clause when their ELC expires.

If a player has a girlfriend that he is serious about and he wants to be closer to her you don't use him as a example to other players like that it looks bad. Play with us or go to where we want to send you or screw you and your girlfriend

 

[KBobs]

If a player has a girlfriend that he is serious about and he wants to be closer to her you don't use him as a example to other players like that it looks bad. Play with us or go to where we want to send you or screw you and your girlfriend

With all due respect, that's exactly how it works in professional sports--especially when a player in his position has no bargaining power. Yes, he either plays with us or we send him to where we want him to go - that is to say where the Jets would get the best return. Welcome to the NHL. Players in his position have no rights (which was collectively bargained) to decide where they get to play.

 

[CaptainChef]

Difference is Spooner is reportedly good on PP I told which helps and a 1st added makes it nicer. If he was poor on PP and removed 1st then of course that's less value. Thus why I asked about Spooner ability on PP

Guess you didn't read it right then because the first was always included. Good on the PP or not doesn't really swing it for me. He's another small forward; I'd rather another decent defensive prospect myself.

 

[CaptainChef]

First of all, players are traded all the time after passing waivers, is this news to you guys? McIlrath needs to play and play a lot, when he went on the waivers any team that picked him only could have played him in the NHL. He is of course a lot more valuable now than before he passed waivers.

Second of all, YOU obviously don't listen to anyone. You have "no need for additional forwards"? is that a joke? Seriously?

How would you rank Winnipeg's depth chart up front?

Center -- 10-15? Schleife is great, but is he the next Toews or the next Backes if you get what I mean? Little and Perrault are ok, but good enough to be 2/3 on a contender? Maybe, but OTOH definitely optimal from a contenders POV.

Right wing -- 20-25? Wheelers can make great plays, but not exactly getting younger and he has never been great overall. After him the depth chart is down right weak.

Left wing -- Sure Laine - will -- become a franchise sniper. Ehlers will become a great 3rd lineer or decent 2nd lineer, at worst. Behind him there isn't much.

Farm -- After the guys already on the team, Winnipeg has a few B and C tier prospect, but not many guys that you can expect to make much of a difference.

How can you claim that no improvements can be made? All the while, big parts of your core are getting older and is on the down side of their careers or just about to enter that phase (Enström, Wheelers, Buff and Co).

Not saying my offer is great, but take my word for it, any claim that one of the worst franchises in the league -- that never in even has had an OK season, have ATL/WPG even won a PO game -- do NOT need additional players, that there is no room for improvement, or whatever, is just ridiculous. Like I don't have a high standard for what I expect from this place, but seriously, just cut that type of argument. It's just embarrassing.

Winnipeg has a ton of things going for them, but without any doubt the long part of the journey is in front of the organization not behind it. There is a TREMENDOUS room for improvement, at every single position.

You seem to think you know what we need better than us - ok whatever. I can make up a bunch of crap about what the Rangers need as well & cook up a deal that works for us and "makes you guys better".

Told you before, if you don't think D is by far our greatest need, then you really don't know squat about the Jets. So swing all the deals you like with forwards as the predominant return, and we'll just keep saying no.

Oh, and maybe you've heard of a few of these "B & C" forward prospects -- Connor, Dano, Petan. I know you'll claim they are B prospects at best, but if you did a little research you might find out otherwise.

 

[Ducks in a row]

With all due respect, that's exactly how it works in professional sports--especially when a player in his position has no bargaining power. Yes, he either plays with us or we send him to where we want him to go - that is to say where the Jets would get the best return. Welcome to the NHL. Players in his position have no rights (which was collectively bargained) to decide where they get to play.

I know how things go Jets can do what they want but how it looks is based on what they do. If Trouba wants to play in the U.S. because of his girlfriend and you won't trade him to a team in the U.S. then it looks bad.

 

[CaptainChef]

Eh, is it not obvious that this is exactly what I was doing?

My point is very clear: No! What you have on the team and on the farm is -- not -- even remotely good enough to become a say top 4-8 team in this league (which must be the goal, right?). Sure, some holes are deeper than others, the hole between the pipes is by far the deepest. But you guys -- must -- get a lot of help all over to become a contender.

It's just completely disillusional to claim that you have no need for improvements in other areas.

I feel like a bully coming here saying that, but what the heck. Enough is enough. My trade proposal is 99.9% pure fantasy, big trades like that never happens. I think someone else than NYR will ant up and give Winnipeg an offer they can't refuse, Trouba is that good. The Rangers can make a really good offer, but they would never do like Kreider+ for Trouba. Is EDM really not an option? Cannot someone like Brodin or Lindholm be made available? There are few options out there that might make the offer Cheevy would jump on.

But please, you guys most certainly has needs at other positons than LD. You got a ton of things going for that team, but....

I think this is how you spell clued out Told by everyone that by far our greatest need is D & still trying to tell us that he knows otherwise.

 

[Evil Little]

I know how things go Jets can do what they want but how it looks is based on what they do. If Trouba wants to play in the U.S. because of his girlfriend and you won't trade him to a team in the U.S. then it looks bad.

Not as bad as it would look if he hadn't lead with the ******** left side/right side thing...

 

[MardyBum]

We don't need wingers. We could use a young C, that would be the only F piece most of us would be interested in in a package deal. Little is getting older and is a few years from UFA, we have Scheif for 8 years, Perreault can be a 3C or 2W but he's not good enough to be a 2C permanently, and it remains to be seen whether one of our young guys can develop into a 2C.

 

[KBobs]

I know how things go Jets can do what they want but how it looks is based on what they do. If Trouba wants to play in the U.S. because of his girlfriend and you won't trade him to a team in the U.S. then it looks bad.

I don't believe it would look bad at all. Management groups across the league would love it and I believe it's fair to say that fans league wide hold Trouba responsible for this mess. He's the villain, and that won't change, regardless of where he gets traded to. Would the optics look bad from a players perspective? It could - but that would be hypocrisy from the PA. Anytime players hold out or demand a trade it's "just business" yet when management makes a decision counter to their wishes they cry wolf. If Chevy ends up not appealing to his demands, it's exactly that as well - a business decision.

And this girlfriend situation (if it turns out to be true) is overblown. It's not as if he has a spouse that faces a serious health issue. You're a professional athlete. Suck it up. It comes with the territory.

 

[cneely]

I know how things go Jets can do what they want but how it looks is based on what they do. If Trouba wants to play in the U.S. because of his girlfriend and you won't trade him to a team in the U.S. then it looks bad.

So tell me how bad the Islanders look for not trading Hamonic.

 

[New User Name]

It's funny. Here we have an American player who wants out of Canada because his GF wants to go to a US medical school (second excuse BTW)and some posters saying the Jets are treating him badly.

But when Travis Hamonic wanted a trade closer to home because of a family illness, oh no, Islanders can't just give him away.

One poster in particular was all over Hamonic saying his loyality should be to the team that drafted him. But with Trouba, the Jets are the evil ones.

Travis found a way around it. So can Jacob. Marry her, let her find a medical school in the US, buy her house, visit her when you can and have her visit you when she can. Play for the Jets until you become a UFA and then sell yourself to the highest bidder.
Until then, put on your big boy pants and stop whining like the little ***** you are.

BTW...I'm not a Jets fan. Just someone who sees the incredible hypocrisy of some people.

 

[JetsFan815]

I keep reading that Jets fans aren't exactly excited about trading Trouba and getting back Gardiner or Fowler or Nurse.

But let me ask you this Jets fans. IF this trade happens - and IF the return is one of Gardiner, Fowler or Nurse - how would you rank them in terms of being a good fit for the Jets?

Gardiner >>>> Fowler >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nurse

Gardiner is the best player of the three AINEC

 

[New User Name]

So tell me how bad the Islanders look for not trading Hamonic.

It couldn't be because Travis is Canadian and the Islanders an American team and Trouba is American and the Jets a Canadian team........could it?