Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VI

[Exit Dose]

Do you really think the Ducks ownership is fine with icing the most expensive lineup in the league?

According to them, yes, they are.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Do you really think the Ducks ownership is fine with icing the most expensive lineup in the league?

Despres is out medium to long term with a possibly Marc Savard -like concussion. He may not play all year.

Ducks now have money to pay for Lindholm AND Fowler because LTIR insurance is paying Despres.

 

[Grare]

If Trouba asked to be traded long ago, for whatever reason.. To have the situation escalate to this is sad on Jets management.

Could make other prospects or free agents shy away from this team. The fact they are 'prepared' to sit him for a year, rather than trade him when he privately requested, or now, shows how much of a joke that team is.. I could not support a team that purposely doesn't improve just for spite.

 

[Exit Dose]

Despres is out medium to long term with a possibly Marc Savard -like concussion. He may not play all year.

Ducks now have money to pay for Lindholm AND Fowler because LTIR insurance is paying Despres.

They also said that they plan to go for it this year, so the higher expense to do that is understood. I don't expect Fowler, Lindholm, and Vatanen to all be Ducks property by the end of this summer, but in the short term, it looks like there's a good chance that they'll stay put.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

If Trouba asked to be traded long ago, for whatever reason.. To have the situation escalate to this is sad on Jets management.

Could make other prospects or free agents shy away from this team. The fact they are 'prepared' to sit him for a year, rather than trade him when he privately requested, or now, shows how much of a joke that team is.. I could not support a team that purposely doesn't improve just for spite.

We're on part VI and just hit the dumbest comment out of all of them.

 

[Viqsi]

So far the only trade suggestion I've seen that folks seemed to like was one proposed by another Jackets fan, in which we trade Murray for Trouba, and then turn around and trade Dubinsky and Savard for Nugent-Hopkins and Fayne.

I still kind of think that's doable - presuming that:
1) Trouba's willing to sign a ~$30-35m for six years type deal like most other blueliners in his class (EDIT: and is content with being the #2RHD, as Jones is pretty definitely in the lead there),
2) Edmonton doesn't object to the followup deal, and
3) Kekalainen still wants anything to do with yet another holding out Overhardt client.

If nothing else, it'll give us the novelty of having five Americans on our blueline. (EDIT: Three of which are former Wolverines...)

 

[GoJetsGo55]

So far the only trade suggestion I've seen that folks seemed to like was one proposed by another Jackets fan, in which we trade Murray for Trouba, and then turn around and trade Dubinsky and Savard for Nugent-Hopkins and Fayne.

I still kind of think that's doable - presuming that:
1) Trouba's willing to sign a ~$30-35m for six years type deal like most other blueliners in his class,
2) Edmonton doesn't object to the followup deal, and
3) Kekalainen still wants anything to do with yet another holding out Overhardt client.

If nothing else, it'll give us the novelty of having five Americans in our starting blueline.

For part 1, I think you can get Trouba at that price. The Jets have already offered that but the Trouba camp is still not answering the phone to listen to an offer.

 

[cobra427]

If Trouba asked to be traded long ago, for whatever reason.. To have the situation escalate to this is sad on Jets management.

Agreed. The longer it goes, the worse the return, clock is running, tick tock, tick tock....

 

[GoJetsGo55]

If Trouba asked to be traded long ago, for whatever reason.. To have the situation escalate to this is sad on Jets management.

Agreed. The longer it goes, the worse the return, clock is running, tick tock, tick tock....

And if the offers received are sub par to begin with, what's to lose?

 

[Ola]

People tell me that I have better track of the players involved on both teams than most, and this is what I think is fair value and really helps both teams. At least if NYR isn't afraid to ice a bit of a weak forward crew.

To Winnipeg
Chris Kreider
JT Miller
Brady Skjei
Dylan McIlrath

To New York Rangers
Jacob Trouba
Nikolaj Ehlers

Winnipeg fans will say, no way Chevy deals Ehlers. Winnipeg fans will say, we don't need more forwards. NYR fans will say no way we deal Kreider,, he is our franchise player now, not to mention all three of Kreider, Miller and Skjei. Skjei alone is more than most other suitors can offer all together. And so forth and so forth.

But in the end, Winnipeg get 3 established players that brings along more winning experience than the entire Winnipeg roster together. Kreider has played in over 50 PO games and been in 3 conference finals and a Stanley cup final, Miller isn't far behind. From NYRs POV, let's be honest, the only reason Trouba is still on the table is that Canadian teams are vary of him, the extremely low growth of the cap the last handful of years AND the waiver draft. Most teams are scrambling to cut losses, not take on a big contract and another player. Chevys ask is perfectly reasonable, to get someone like Trouba you got to pay a hefty price. NYR is in need of PMDs, and especially right shooting PMDs just like Philly need that goaltender. NYR haven't been set in terms of PMDs since Leetch's days. Ehlers scoring ability is unproven and sure he is soft, but speed is the name of the game and he can help. Fair deal that certainly makes both teams better! One roster player out, and three young, cheap proven winners in for Winnipeg. NYR looses three players but get a top RD. Get it done Cheevy and Gorton, how hard can it be!

 

[CaptainChef]

Funny, most Ducks fans were on board for Spooner, Senyshyn and a pick for Fowler. I wouldn't expect you to know that though. To complete the irony of your post, that 'trash' Spooner had two less points in one less game than the guy you are sporting in your avatar pic. So I guess he is trash too.

Its trash to us because we don't want Fowler as the main piece coming back. Miller is fine but we don't need him.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

People tell me that I have better track of the players involved on both teams than most, and this is what I think is fair value and really helps both teams. At least if NYR isn't afraid to ice a bit of a weak forward crew.

To Winnipeg
Chris Kreider
JT Miller
Brady Skjei
Dylan McIlrath

To New York Rangers
Jacob Trouba
Nikolaj Ehlers

Winnipeg fans will say, no way Chevy deals Ehlers. Winnipeg fans will say, we don't need more forwards. NYR fans will say no way we deal Kreider,, he is our franchise player now, not to mention all three of Kreider, Miller and Skjei. Skjei alone is more than most other suitors can offer all together. And so forth and so forth. But in the end, Winnipeg get 3 established players that brings along more winning experience than the entire Winnipeg roster together. Kreider has played in over 50 PO games and been in 3 conference finals and a Stanley cup final, Miller isn't far behind. From NYRs POV, let's be honest, the only reason Trouba is still on the table is that Canadian teams are vary of him, the extremely low growth of the cap the last handful of years AND the waiver draft. Chevys ask is perfectly reasonable, to get someone like Trouba you got to pay a hefty price. NYR is in need of PMDs, and especially right shooting PMDs just like Philly need that goaltender. NYR haven't been set in terms of PMDs since Leetch's days. Ehlers scoring ability is unproven and sure he is soft, but speed is the name of the game and he can help. Fair deal that certainly makes both teams better! One roster player out, and three young, cheap proven winners in for Winnipeg. NYR looses three players but get a top RD. Get it done Cheevy and Gorton, how hard can it be!

Why are you adding a player that we could have picked up for free?

That's honestly the nicest thing I can say about that proposal.

 

[CaptainChef]

Nope, not happening. You can let him sit and watch him go to Europe or have him sign with you and be unhappy. But for a guy that Jets fans are now saying isn't even missed and that the team is doing just as well without... you aren't getting assets like that back.

Don't you think this is getting a little old -- has to be the 10th time you've posted that (like as if it has any significance to our argument in the first place)

 

[New User Name]

If Trouba asked to be traded long ago, for whatever reason.. To have the situation escalate to this is sad on Jets management.

Could make other prospects or free agents shy away from this team. The fact they are 'prepared' to sit him for a year, rather than trade him when he privately requested, or now, shows how much of a joke that team is.. I could not support a team that purposely doesn't improve just for spite.

Out of spite? They haven't traded him because the offers they've had aren't good enough.
Were you suggesting the Islanders didn't trade Hamonic out of spite?

It's one thing for a veteran to request a trade but a player of 22 with just 3 years in the league?

 

[CaptainChef]

I honestly see Zboril being the realistic target from Winnipeg if it was a two-team trade.

No need to drag ANA & Fowler into this anyway. Spooner doesn't get me excited at all (a small 5'10" winger is the least of our needs). Be happier with Carlo + Zboril + 1st myself, but I doubt Chevy does that deal.

 

[Coach Parker]

I do think he will be traded and I think it will happen this season in time for him to play THIS season

NY
Boston
Detroit

I think he ends up with one of these three teams with a fourth less obvious team that comes out of nowhere also being a good possibility.

no idea on the return and no i dont think anyone can say for certain it wont be x, y or z

For me, darkhorse is Minnesota who could offer another defenseman for him or a package of defenseman/prospects.

 

[Coach Parker]

Yea and Spooner is also the older player. And how is Spooner doing this season? A big goal and assist? How's Mika doing?

One year older. Two points less in one less game. Your own evaluation has your own player in your avatar as trash or very very very close to it.

Sorry, your words not mine. Mika is basically trash.

 

[CaptainChef]

Seen already, Spooner fills no holes on our team. Carlo is far from proven anything, still just a dark horse prospect. Handful of games prove nothing. Picks are borderline useless to us.

Not exactly a exciting trade rumour for Trouba.

Carlo is a bit of a dark horse, but worth a shot, 1st is nice even if mid range....spooner might help our PP. I likely would consider it even if we had to add a little to get it done. Carlo might stick on 2nd pairing end/like long term.

Say what -- did you think you could get that sort of a flip-flop through that fast. One time its not worth a look; next time you're adding something from our side to make it happen

 

[Coach Parker]

Its trash to us because we don't want Fowler as the main piece coming back. Miller is fine but we don't need him.

The 'trash' comment was in response to the Rangers fan calling Spooner 'trash' when Spooner had 49 points in 80 games and the guy in his avatar had 51 points in 81 games. So, by definition his own avatar is trash.

I get your non-interest in Fowler as the piece.

I also get there being no rush as the Jets are using this as a development year and aren't expecting the playoffs so Chevy should and will ask for the moon. Seems to make sense as long as the situation never affects the other members of the team adversely.

 

[CaptainChef]

People tell me that I have better track of the players involved on both teams than most, and this is what I think is fair value and really helps both teams. At least if NYR isn't afraid to ice a bit of a weak forward crew.

To Winnipeg
Chris Kreider
JT Miller
Brady Skjei
Dylan McIlrath

To New York Rangers
Jacob Trouba
Nikolaj Ehlers

Winnipeg fans will say, no way Chevy deals Ehlers. Winnipeg fans will say, we don't need more forwards. NYR fans will say no way we deal Kreider,, he is our franchise player now, not to mention all three of Kreider, Miller and Skjei. Skjei alone is more than most other suitors can offer all together. And so forth and so forth.

But in the end, Winnipeg get 3 established players that brings along more winning experience than the entire Winnipeg roster together. Kreider has played in over 50 PO games and been in 3 conference finals and a Stanley cup final, Miller isn't far behind. From NYRs POV, let's be honest, the only reason Trouba is still on the table is that Canadian teams are vary of him, the extremely low growth of the cap the last handful of years AND the waiver draft. Most teams are scrambling to cut losses, not take on a big contract and another player. Chevys ask is perfectly reasonable, to get someone like Trouba you got to pay a hefty price. NYR is in need of PMDs, and especially right shooting PMDs just like Philly need that goaltender. NYR haven't been set in terms of PMDs since Leetch's days. Ehlers scoring ability is unproven and sure he is soft, but speed is the name of the game and he can help. Fair deal that certainly makes both teams better! One roster player out, and three young, cheap proven winners in for Winnipeg. NYR looses three players but get a top RD. Get it done Cheevy and Gorton, how hard can it be!

You obviously don't take no (its a ridiculous deal) for an answer do you. Exact same post you posted yesterday.

We totally love Ehlers -- going nowhere, have no need for additional forwards (so Miller & Kreider are out), and you can't even give away McIlrath on waivers so why bother trying to pan him off as something worthwhile.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Don't you think this is getting a little old -- has to be the 10th time you've posted that (like as if it has any significance to our argument in the first place)

1) No it's not the 10th time
2)Clearly I don't think it's getting old
3) It does have significance to your argument

If the player deserves the return you are asking for, then your team isn't as good without him playing. Sorry if you can't see that. (Hmm maybe that makes it 10 there)

 

[cneely]

1) No it's not the 10th time
2)Clearly I don't think it's getting old
3) It does have significance to your argument

If the player deserves the return you are asking for, then your team isn't as good without him playing. Sorry if you can't see that. (Hmm maybe that makes it 10 there)

You'd be hard pressed to find a logical Jets fan who doesn't recognize that the team would be better off with Trouba in the lineup.

Having said that, with four rookies in the lineup and 3 (4?) second year players, I don't think the Jets expect to make the playoffs this year anyway. Letting Trouba sit out may assist the Jets in securing a higher draft pick.

 

[Hunter368]

Say what -- did you think you could get that sort of a flip-flop through that fast. One time its not worth a look; next time you're adding something from our side to make it happen

Difference is Spooner is reportedly good on PP I told which helps and a 1st added makes it nicer. If he was poor on PP and removed 1st then of course that's less value. Thus why I asked about Spooner ability on PP

 

[Johnny HFBOARDS]

Spooner LOL

 

[Evil Little]

If Trouba asked to be traded long ago, for whatever reason.. To have the situation escalate to this is sad on Jets management.

Could make other prospects or free agents shy away from this team. The fact they are 'prepared' to sit him for a year, rather than trade him when he privately requested, or now, shows how much of a joke that team is.. I could not support a team that purposely doesn't improve just for spite.

Darn. Jets really needed your support. I guess it's time to think of something else instead. Maybe a lacrosse team...

Seriously, though, they seem to think--for whatever reason--that losing value in trading an RFA who's asking out, and the precedent that sets for future RFAs, is more damaging to the team in the long term. No one is going to accuse this Jets management of selling out the future for short term gains at this point. I think this decision is in line with that philosophy.

In 200 pages, you'll find no shortage of posters who spit vitriol about how dangerous that is. Look up, for example. Almost all Jets fans, local media, national media, and seemingly Jets management and ownership disagree. Whatever.