Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VI

[Saintb]

someone just offersheet him and end this already.

This is becoming as tedious as the American election campaign..

 

[Habs Halifax]

Oilers had to over pay to get a young Defensive prospect in Larson by trading Hall. The Oilers team balance between forwards/defense prospects finally looks promising after all those years of low draft picks and many forwards.... QUESTION: If you were the leafs, would you trade Mitch Marner for Trouba? And would the Jets accept this deal? I don't know the leafs prospects at defense (after MR) but it appears to be weak. IMO, Leafs need to be careful with ensuring they have defense to go along with their offense.

Thoughts?

 

[Hunter368]

Oilers had to over pay to get a young Defensive prospect in Larson by trading Hall. The Oilers team balance between forwards/defense prospects finally looks promising after all those years of low draft picks and many forwards.... QUESTION: If you were the leafs, would you trade Mitch Marner for Trouba? And would the Jets accept this deal? I don't know the leafs prospects at defense (after MR) but it appears to be weak. IMO, Leafs need to be careful with ensuring they have defense to go along with their offense.

Thoughts?

Reports are Trouba won't play for any team in Canada.....not just the Jets.

 

[hagelin1381]

Oilers had to over pay to get a young Defensive prospect in Larson by trading Hall. The Oilers team balance between forwards/defense prospects finally looks promising after all those years of low draft picks and many forwards.... QUESTION: If you were the leafs, would you trade Mitch Marner for Trouba? And would the Jets accept this deal? I don't know the leafs prospects at defense (after MR) but it appears to be weak. IMO, Leafs need to be careful with ensuring they have defense to go along with their offense.

Thoughts?

since when is Larsson a prospect.. he is 23 and has been in the league for a while. And I don't think the Jets need any more wingers

 

[Hunter368]

The Travis Hamonic trade thread went for 11 threads before ending......Trouba thread won't beat that number with less then a month to go before Dec 1st.......unless he sits out. Haha

 

[WesMcCauley]

Players dont usually demand a trade/wount sign with the team that has their rights. If he doesnt wanna play and Winnipig and has sad he will never sign with them again, wouldnt be in the best interest of everyone to just get this done? Pretty sure they would get a great return, might just have to take LH that is a little younger and as good and get a solid add to that. I understand the situation for your gm but if Trouba isnt going to sign with Jets, why dont just get it out of the way and move on. Worked pretty well with the Evander Kane trade. Jets won that one by far! Got Myers, stafford and some great prospects for Kane and bogosian. Highway robbery! No clue what the Sabres GM was thinking with though....

 

[Habs Halifax]

since when is Larsson a prospect.. he is 23 and has been in the league for a while. And I don't think the Jets need any more wingers

Really? Thanks for the correction and side stepping the point I was making. Prospect, young team core... call it what you will. Good point on the wingers comment though! It was more about what the Leafs need vs the Jets.

 

[MikeRahl]

Players dont usually demand a trade/wount sign with the team that has their rights. If he doesnt wanna play and Winnipig and has sad he will never sign with them again, wouldnt be in the best interest of everyone to just get this done? Pretty sure they would get a great return, might just have to take LH that is a little younger and as good and get a solid add to that. I understand the situation for your gm but if Trouba isnt going to sign with Jets, why dont just get it out of the way and move on. Worked pretty well with the Evander Kane trade. Jets won that one by far! Got Myers, stafford and some great prospects for Kane and bogosian. Highway robbery! No clue what the Sabres GM was thinking with though....

It takes 2 to tango... although in this case it is pretty much 3 I guess. Maybe 4 if you include his agent? 5 with his med school girlfriend. 6 with his dad of debatable legal standing.

So it takes 6 to tango.

 

[Hunter368]

Players dont usually demand a trade/wount sign with the team that has their rights. If he doesnt wanna play and Winnipig and has sad he will never sign with them again, wouldnt be in the best interest of everyone to just get this done? Pretty sure they would get a great return, might just have to take LH that is a little younger and as good and get a solid add to that. I understand the situation for your gm but if Trouba isnt going to sign with Jets, why dont just get it out of the way and move on. Worked pretty well with the Evander Kane trade. Jets won that one by far! Got Myers, stafford and some great prospects for Kane and bogosian. Highway robbery! No clue what the Sabres GM was thinking with though....

Kane trade - We trade top 6 forward and a top 4 D for a top 6 forward (who we extended) and a top 4 D plus 2 first Rd picks (Armia & 1st Rd pick) and a very high 2rd pick that the organization was very high on.

Trouba - What most offers being posted is Trouba who is a top pairing D for misc pieces......which is not as desirable when one considers how strong our prospect pool is. We have good or decent players or prospects in all positions except D.....which were poor in. Most offers are giving as the main piece is a forward and sometimes add a minor D prospect. This is not ideal to the Jets, ideally the main piece should be a LHD player or prospect. No point adding a slight upgrade at forward, while creating a massive crater of a hole at D.

I suspect this is partly Chevy's POV. On a side note I found it interesting that the Coyotes have decided to keep Chychrun up past his nine games burning a year of his ELC when the are last in the NHL. Show casing him to Chevy maybe? Hmmm

 

[Saintb]

Rumour on the Jets board that a deal with the Leafs was killed by the Trouba camp because he wouldn't go. I would love to know what would have been coming back to the Jets. Reilly would be my guess.

 

[northeastern]

This is becoming as tedious as the American election campaign..

It isn't that bad yet. Every commercial on my tv is ejection related to some level. And I live in Boston but we share a tv market with nh so I not only get mass commercials but nh ones too!


And what happens to his value of he sits a year... Even if he can go to Europe and play there's no way his value doesn't go way down right?

 

[heretik27]

Kane trade - We trade top 6 forward and a top 4 D for a top 6 forward (who we extended) and a top 4 D plus 2 first Rd picks (Armia & 1st Rd pick) and a very high 2rd pick that the organization was very high on.

Trouba - What most offers being posted is Trouba who is a top pairing D for misc pieces......which is not as desirable when one considers how strong our prospect pool is. We have good or decent players or prospects in all positions except D.....which were poor in. Most offers are giving as the main piece is a forward and sometimes add a minor D prospect. This is not ideal to the Jets, ideally the main piece should be a LHD player or prospect. No point adding a slight upgrade at forward, while creating a massive crater of a hole at D.

I suspect this is partly Chevy's POV. On a side note I found it interesting that the Coyotes have decided to keep Chychrun up past his nine games burning a year of his ELC when the are last in the NHL. Show casing him to Chevy maybe? Hmmm

Ugh, that would be a trade that'd haunt us for a while. We traded up in the draft after Chychrun and Fabbro get taken leaving us with Logan Stanley. If Chevy knew about Trouba's desire to leave, then we could have bid on Detroit's 16th OA pick as well with the cap space we'd have knowing Trouba was on his way out the door. Trading Trouba for him now would just rub salt in that wound when you think we could have had him anyways.

 

[Liferleafer]

Rumour on the Jets board that a deal with the Leafs was killed by the Trouba camp because he wouldn't go. I would love to know what would have been coming back to the Jets. Reilly would be my guess.

We will never know, but i'd bet that Rielly wasn't the return. Also, doesn't this kind of kill the whole "we are going to get a ton because 30 teams want him" theory? I mean Trouba is going to shoot down deals until he gets the team he wants.

 

[Hunter368]

Ugh, that would be a trade that'd haunt us for a while. We traded up in the draft after Chychrun and Fabbro get taken leaving us with Logan Stanley. If Chevy knew about Trouba's desire to leave, then we could have bid on Detroit's 16th OA pick as well with the cap space we'd have knowing Trouba was on his way out the door. Trading Trouba for him now would just rub salt in that wound when you think we could have had him anyways.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm not fond of the Stanley pick either, but we're now in a less then ideal situation. IMO it's about making the best of a bad situation, let me be clear I'm not saying trade Trouba for a big discount or anything like that. But Chychrun has been doing well so far, he fits our postional need and he's expansion exempt. Trouba for Chychrun+ might not be bad. Allowing us to protect 7-3-1 then. Just a thought.

 

[93LEAFS]

Rumour on the Jets board that a deal with the Leafs was killed by the Trouba camp because he wouldn't go. I would love to know what would have been coming back to the Jets. Reilly would be my guess.

Why would a team have a deal worked out without having a deal with Trouba? That doesn't sound realistic considering what you are going to have to pay Trouba will affect his value and anyteam is free to talk to him. I wouldn't be shocked if he nixed Toronto, but I doubt there was a completed deal without a team actually talking to Trouba first.

 

[Whileee]

We will never know, but i'd bet that Rielly wasn't the return. Also, doesn't this kind of kill the whole "we are going to get a ton because 30 teams want him" theory? I mean Trouba is going to shoot down deals until he gets the team he wants.

Trouba won't be shooting down as many deals when December 1 is approaching. He's probably still hoping for everything to be exactly as he wants in terms of location and contract terms. Jets are going to hold firm and test his resolve. I can't imagine he'd want to trash an entire NHL season at age 22, but well soon find out. The closer this gets o December 1 the less incentive the Jets have to compromise on a trade or contract. Now is likely the best time for Trouba to get a deal. Two weeks from now the Jets will realize that Trouba won't be of any use to them before December 1 so they might as well use the leverage of the deadline to pressure Trouba and any trade partners.

 

[heretik27]

I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm not fond of the Stanley pick either, but we're now in a less then ideal situation. IMO it's about making the best of a bad situation, let me be clear I'm not saying trade Trouba for a big discount or anything like that. But Chychrun has been doing well so far, he fits our postional need and he's expansion exempt. Trouba for Chychrun+ might not be bad. Allowing us to protect 7-3-1 then. Just a thought.

Yeah, I'm aware of the current situation. I'm just saying we could have drafted Chychrun and still had Trouba to trade for something of need. Instead, we could end up with neither or just one of the two.

 

[Lundy HOF]

I wonder what offers were/are on the table.

Chevy has a chance to salvage this, I hope he doesn't let his pride cloud his judgement. Letting this drag on past Dec would be a travesty imo.

Trouba loses for the obvious reasons (money)
Chevy/Jets lose by not getting any value on a player and it hurts the brand imo. You should be building an Organization players WANT to be apart of, its conducive to winning. "Sticking it" to the kid doesn't solve anything in my mind other than naturally deterring college FAs from wanting to sign there (as an example).

There are ramifications to this type of situation that go far beyond the current situation.

This is very different than Stevie Y playing hardball with Drouin whining on his ELC about playing time....

 

[57special]

This is becoming as tedious as the American election campaign..

But who is Hilary, and who is Donald?

 

[Trxjw]

Rumour on the Jets board that a deal with the Leafs was killed by the Trouba camp because he wouldn't go. I would love to know what would have been coming back to the Jets. Reilly would be my guess.

Seems a little counter-productive to move the guy you'd ideally want to pair with Trouba. Probably Jake Gardiner and some sweetener.

 

[Hunter368]

Yeah, I'm aware of the current situation. I'm just saying we could have drafted Chychrun and still had Trouba to trade for something of need. Instead, we could end up with neither or just one of the two.

Completely agree man.

 

[BruinDust]

Rumour on the Jets board that a deal with the Leafs was killed by the Trouba camp because he wouldn't go. I would love to know what would have been coming back to the Jets. Reilly would be my guess.

And I'd wager your guess would be wrong.

Gardner plus would be the safer assumption.

And the plus being not anyone named Marner, Nylander, Matthews, or Reilly.

Jets fans haven't figured it out yet, but if the demand is a left-shot D-man, Winnipeg is taking the lesser player in comparison to Trouba. Your not getting a one-for-one deal. No team is trading Winnipeg an equal caliber LD for a hold-out malcontent like Trouba.

The team getting Trouba would have to add most likely.

Most would peg Reilly is at least Trouba's equal if not better. So you can effectively rule him out. Common sense would tell you the Leafs would never do that.

 

[57special]

Kane trade - We trade top 6 forward and a top 4 D for a top 6 forward (who we extended) and a top 4 D plus 2 first Rd picks (Armia & 1st Rd pick) and a very high 2rd pick that the organization was very high on.

Trouba - What most offers being posted is Trouba who is a top pairing D for misc pieces......which is not as desirable when one considers how strong our prospect pool is. We have good or decent players or prospects in all positions except D.....which were poor in. Most offers are giving as the main piece is a forward and sometimes add a minor D prospect. This is not ideal to the Jets, ideally the main piece should be a LHD player or prospect. No point adding a slight upgrade at forward, while creating a massive crater of a hole at D.

I suspect this is partly Chevy's POV. On a side note I found it interesting that the Coyotes have decided to keep Chychrun up past his nine games burning a year of his ELC when the are last in the NHL. Show casing him to Chevy maybe? Hmmm

I find it highly unlikely that Chychrun would be traded, the way he is playing. What's he making, 800K, and will be under team control for five more years? And Trouba will want 5M+ before he steps on the ice? Unless WPG is willing to take on a bad contract I don't see it happening.

 

[57special]

Seems a little counter-productive to move the guy you'd ideally want to pair with Trouba. Probably Jake Gardiner and some sweetener.

Kapanen?

 

[Hunter368]

I find it highly unlikely that Chychrun would be traded, the way he is playing. What's he making, 800K, and will be under team control for five more years? And Trouba will want 5M+ before he steps on the ice? Unless WPG is willing to take on a bad contract I don't see it happening.

No clue, I just found it interesting a last place team burns one year of his ELC. Less then 30 days we will find out how this ends.