Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VI

[lomiller1]

Trouba will never sign a contract with the Jets.

What he won't do is sit out multiple seasons. (remember the Jets get an additional year of control if he doesn't play this year.

 

[lomiller1]

And for the same reasons, why would Trouba sign for more than that if there's no guarantee that he'll be moved immediately?

I can think of 7 million reasons why he'd sign...

 

[Say What]

As 'fans' of the game, 'we' often express a fictional knowledge of what a particular GM should do with a certain player or what should happen in a specific situation. However, the greatest wishes (a fantasy trade scenario) are usually based on improving 'our' team (the on-ice product) with little or no consideration/attention paid to the actual business, as a whole.

So as a business (TNSE), many factors must play a part in making this Organization a success. And I believe, some base principles were established: a partnership with the NHL, in ensuring a level playing field for all members (Salary Cap/CBA), Cost certainty (Roster Player Budget-internal/Asset Management), signing & promoting key Jets players, establishing a 'family' atmosphere for players to thrive in (with top notch training & practice facilities), and giving back to the community at large (sponsorships/donations etc.); among many other objectives.

In no way, and at no time; would accepting anything less than an adequate return (for Jacob Trouba) assist in strengthening the Winnipeg Jets Brand. IMO, this team, this city, and this community (MB and surrounding areas- inc. SK) deserve a steadfast approach to dealing with any and all malcontents of the ratified CBA.

As a company, I believe TNSE acknowledges/embraces the fact that it plays in the smallest market in the league. Therefore, relinquishing control/worth of a valued asset (that you've heavily invested in) is extremely bad business practises. I personally believe it goes against the very mandate set out in making this venture (the return of the NHL to WPG) sustainable.

When you play in the smallest arena, and you understand the cost of UFA's (and the ability to sign them); it makes Drafting crucial, and then retaining those RFA's/assets as the direct bloodline to maintaining a healthy franchise.

What may seem like a catch phase to most, "long term viability", actually means something very real to most Manitobans. April 28th, 1996......Never Again.

IMO, it's business as usual. Jacob Trouba is an RFA...not a UFA.

 

[Coach Parker]

I can think of 7 million reasons why he'd sign...

Are those steps if he's walking to his new team?

Money isn't even being discussed because he wants nothing to do with the Winnipeg Jets.

 

[lomiller1]

I know i am in the minority as a jet fan. But i dont want someone on the team that doesn't want to be on the team taking a job away from someone else that wants to be there. If he wants to take back the trade request ok but if not they shouldn't give him a job. Why should he take morrisseys job. A very likely outcome.

There is plenty of time to find a trade that works for everyone after he signs. Selling a player at a discount for assets that do nothing to help you win is not a viable way to build a team.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Are those steps if he's walking to his new team?

Is he planning to walk all the way overseas? I ask because Dreger thinks the chances he will be traded are slim:
http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/dreger-feels-chances-trouba-traded-slim/

and Friedman says unless someone is willing to deal another tremendous young d-man, they're not making this trade:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/shows/tim-and-sid-show/ts-jets-playing-hardball-jacob-trouba/

 

[lomiller1]

Are those steps if he's walking to his new team?

Money isn't even being discussed because he wants nothing to do with the Winnipeg Jets.

Refusing to discuss money is an attempt to manufacture leverage in a situation where the CBA gives him none. We don't know his reasons for not wanting to play in Canada, but the likelihood those reasons are enough to cause him to give up pro hockey altogether seem pretty unlikely. It can happen (eg Hammonic) but if that were the case we'd have heard something and Trouba's agent would certainly not have made up some tripe about left vs rt side.

 

[cobra427]

Is he planning to walk all the way overseas? I ask because Dreger thinks the chances he will be traded are slim:
http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/dreger-feels-chances-trouba-traded-slim/

and Friedman says unless someone is willing to deal another tremendous young d-man, they're not making this trade:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/shows/tim-and-sid-show/ts-jets-playing-hardball-jacob-trouba/

They either believe the company line or are shills for Chevy. What else would the Jets tell anyone if they want to make the best deal they can by December 1st. I would put the odds at 90% that he is traded, 9% he signs, and 1% he sits out.

 

[Gump Hasek]

They either believe the company line or are shills for Chevy. What else would the Jets tell anyone if they want to make the best deal they can by December 1st. I would put the odds at 90% that he is traded, 9% he signs, and 1% he sits out.

Or, your read on the situation is incorrect.

Dreger and Friedman work for national networks based out of Toronto. Not sure why they would be shilling for Cheveldayoff; that is just a silly premise and is clearly simply a straw you are clutching at to back up your assertion that he will be traded. People actually connected to covering the NHL are currently saying it doesn't look likely, but anonymous internet persona cobra427 puts it at 90%. OK.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Interesting

Just perused a few other trade threads (1d and top 4d threads).
Based on what I read there... basically there are close to none of these available anywhere. Almost no fans would even consider moving one for anything less than massive over pays.

22 year old RHD top pair / top 4 seems to be automatically worth a lot. If the main piece back isn't a similar LHD then it seems like the amount teams would part with to get one is huge. Based on this thread young RHD is a luke warm item to p/up. According to those threads they are like an extinct species.

Trouba's value dropping is very unlikely given 31 teams will need top end young talent. It also goes to show why the Jets just want to keep him. Often people say just take these forwards and flip them for another D. Well it's clear that is VERY difficult to do.

4 weeks on the nose for something to happen.

 

[Alluckks]

Rangers grow....ha ha

Not sure what is funny. Unless you are laughing at the entirety of the 6 threads - because that is hilarious.

 

[Alluckks]

Dreger, Friedman... those are Canadian guys. It benefits them to echo what the Canadian ownership says. They live off rumors, might have their own opinions and other things they hear around the league but don't want to bite the hand that feeds them. People read their stuff regardless of what it says, might as well do some PR with management of a team as well.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

At this point I think he signs a 1-2 year bridge deal and and just sucks it up and plays for the Jets

It's more likely he'll be traded in the offseason I think

 

[CorgisPer60]

I still maintain that this will play out like the Turris situation in Phoenix. Trouba will sign a contract, then get traded before the contract is up. This stalemate has to end sometime. The Jets have already said that they want Trouba back, and have offered up a contract in which to sign him. The ball is in Jake's court now.

 

[10Ducky10]

He signs a 5 year deal for 5m a year before Nov. 20.

 

[MardyBum]

God I wish this was just over, one way or the other.

 

[Liferleafer]

Interesting

Just perused a few other trade threads (1d and top 4d threads).
Based on what I read there... basically there are close to none of these available anywhere. Almost no fans would even consider moving one for anything less than massive over pays.

22 year old RHD top pair / top 4 seems to be automatically worth a lot. If the main piece back isn't a similar LHD then it seems like the amount teams would part with to get one is huge. Based on this thread young RHD is a luke warm item to p/up. According to those threads they are like an extinct species.

Trouba's value dropping is very unlikely given 31 teams will need top end young talent. It also goes to show why the Jets just want to keep him. Often people say just take these forwards and flip them for another D. Well it's clear that is VERY difficult to do.

4 weeks on the nose for something to happen.

It's not 31 teams. According to Jets fans, you can eliminate:
Toronto
Montreal
Vancouver
Ottawa
Winnipeg
Edmonton
Calgary

Lets face it, when it comes to teams that may part with the pieces (and Trouba would agree to sign with), you are pretty much down to the Wings and Rangers.

 

[Brock Radunske]

I can think of 7 million reasons why he'd sign...

7 million?

That would be the worst thing he could do if he wanted to get out of Winnipeg.
How many teams do you honestly think would be lining up to trade valuable assets for a 7 mill Trouba?

 

[heilongjetsfan]

You would make the trade because you are trying to field the best team possible. It doesn't matter what Trouba's situation is on the Jets, when he gets to your team he is signed.

If your need is a RHD, and you feel Trouba would the perfect fit, and you have a player that the Jets would accept 1-1 for Trouba... you wouldn't make that deal? Out of spite or just because?

With that attitude in exchanging goods and services I think you actually are a closet Winnipegger.

This is the post that wins the thread. You just explained what Winnipeg fans expect to happen with a hypothetical trade partner, the position we've taken that's got us lambasted by every fan base in the NHL and then called him one of us for not seeing things the way we do.

It's probably the most amazingly eloquent example I've seen on these boards of someone proving themselves wrong. Bravo!

 

[aqsw]

Nobody knows that for sure. It comes across as arrogant and brings more backlash to the Jets fan base.

Actually, all my fellow season ticket holders(100%) that sit around me agree to let the brat sit for four years. Small sample size ( about 16), but they all agree.

 

[lomiller1]

Lets face it, when it comes to teams that may part with the pieces (and Trouba would agree to sign with), you are pretty much down to the Wings and Rangers.

Neither of these teams have the piece the Jets are looking for.

 

[NHL Dude 120]

someone just offersheet him and end this already.

 

[lomiller1]

7 million?

That would be the worst thing he could do if he wanted to get out of Winnipeg.
How many teams do you honestly think would be lining up to trade valuable assets for a 7 mill Trouba?

$7 million is a reasonable estimate. His cap hit on this contract will be lower as will his salary this year, but he also ends up with a reduced salary in his 26/27 year because it’s now an RFA year instead of a UFA year.

 

[CorgisPer60]

someone just offersheet him and end this already.

Trouba would have to sign it first, and it would assuredly be matched by the Jets, which would go against his desire to not play for the Jets.

 

[Aavco Cup]

someone just offersheet him and end this already.

The Jets would be unable to trade him until Nov 2017.