Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VI

[GoJetsGo55]

canada isn't a race, it's a citizenship or nationality.

Ironically, in your attempt to call him discriminatory in your post, you did the exact same thing against the people of columbus and their fans.

syrup lives matter!!!!!

 

[Randal61]

I know Jets fans say they're fine waiting it out on Trouba but it's in Chevy's best interest to get something done here in the next month imo. The longer he waits Trouba's value drops a little. He is a very good young D but sitting out an entire year is real bad for a young players development. If it takes until the summer it's not unreasonable for potential trading partners to be a little concerned about exactly what they're getting. By the time training camp rolls around next year it would be almost a year and half since he's played a game. And considering Trouba wants a nice chunk of change and the Jets are asking for a high end piece in return I can see some teams having doubt at that point.

And the circle goes round and round
Get over the loss in value dream

 

[CaptainChef]

I'm willing to bet that Chevy has a trade on his desk right now that he is willing to take November 30th but why wouldn't he wait and see if it gets sweeter or someone else steps up, especially if the trade is for a LHD prospect that he doesn't have to put into the lineup today and protect from the expansion draft.

Honestly, if it is:

Blue-chip LHD 1st round prospect
Blue-chip prospect NHL ready
1st

...why not sit on that until the 30th? None if it impacts the current Jets lineup to make them better and perhaps the second piece becomes something better from that team or another offer to trump that before the 30th.

If it isn't a NHL roster player in the deal, sit on it until the 30th and monitor that teams progress and position if their 1st. Detroit or Boston could be bottom 10 by November 30th.

Yep, I'm of the same opinion. There has to be a couple trade offers that he has received that are close to being what we need, but why hurry unless its an offer you can't refuse. I know there will be more than one team that gets a little more desperate for help at top line RHD as the season progresses, and the offers won't get worse.

Whether they will get significantly better depends on how many teams join the fray as Nov roles along. If none do, and the offers truly are inadequate, he'll go back to Trouba with one more offer (which surely won't have got better over time) OR he'll decide to make a move on an offer out there on the table.

If the offer is indeed as you stated, I'd be more than happy with that. If its not good enough and Trouba continues to play hardball, I'm sure there will be little hesitation to let this slip until next summer.

 

[Riptide]

Yes, when you admit you have no basis for it, even when provided with stats to show how wrong you are.

Sure thing bud.

 

[Paradise*]

Do you really think that he'll be traded for a package vs another young top 4D?

I'm hoping for an equivalent top 4D. I wouldn't bet money on it happening, but it would be ideal. Realistically, I believe he traded for a young D with top 4 upside (NHL ready) +. IMO a package is more likely. WHAT that package would look like is anyone's guess.

 

[Coach Parker]

Yep, I'm of the same opinion. There has to be a couple trade offers that he has received that are close to being what we need, but why hurry unless its an offer you can't refuse. I know there will be more than one team that gets a little more desperate for help at top line RHD as the season progresses, and the offers won't get worse.

Whether they will get significantly better depends on how many teams join the fray as Nov roles along. If none do, and the offers truly are inadequate, he'll go back to Trouba with one more offer (which surely won't have got better over time) OR he'll decide to make a move on an offer out there on the table.

If the offer is indeed as you stated, I'd be more than happy with that. If its not good enough and Trouba continues to play hardball, I'm sure there will be little hesitation to let this slip until next summer.

It's just good business. No reason to rush a move unless the other team has a roster player on the table that makes the Jets better today. Otherwise, let's tune in on the 30th and see what haul he got for him.

 

[Hunter368]

This will never happen, There's no way that Trouba will commit 5-6 years with Winnipeg when he's seeking out of there.

Trouba wants no part of Winnipeg, Any deal that Trouba signs will stipulate that. Trouba will only do a deal that trades him out of Winnipeg to another team more or less a desirable trade to an American team preferably in the East or so. Any way Trouba's days with Winnipeg are over.

Maybe Trouba agrees to a 1-2 year bridge deal, And then can work out a long term deal with his new club later. But there's no way that Trouba is committing to Winnipeg long term if he doesn't want to be there. It's just not going to happen.

You realize that Kane did exactly what I stated right?

Kane wanted out, signed a long term deal and was later traded. I stated its a possibility, not a guarantee. Will it happen? No clue

 

[Hunter368]

I know Jets fans say they're fine waiting it out on Trouba but it's in Chevy's best interest to get something done here in the next month imo. The longer he waits Trouba's value drops a little. He is a very good young D but sitting out an entire year is real bad for a young players development. If it takes until the summer it's not unreasonable for potential trading partners to be a little concerned about exactly what they're getting. By the time training camp rolls around next year it would be almost a year and half since he's played a game. And considering Trouba wants a nice chunk of change and the Jets are asking for a high end piece in return I can see some teams having doubt at that point.

Maybe, maybe not.

If teams are largely set right now and have little flexibility in what they can offer were then forced to take lesser value (mixture of smaller pieces) this might represent 75% of Trouba's value. Vs sitting him for the year and trading him during the summer one might expect teams having getter flexibility to make better offers.....this might represent 75% of his value. Six of one and half dozen of another makes little difference if you want to argue the idea Trouba loses any value (and I'm not specifically stating that). Plus sitting him for a year gives the jets long term value with all future RFA players who might have a similar idea and will know the jets won't cave in to the player.

Personally I'm fine either way, trade him (assuming you can get very good deal) or sit him for the year (get a good deal during the summer).....in the end I see the net benefit as about the same.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

You realize that Kane did exactly what I stated right?

Kane wanted out, signed a long term deal and was later traded. I stated its a possibility, not a guarantee. Will it happen? No clue

The way Overhardt sounded like Trouba's days in Winnipeg are over, And he wont be back so unless that 5-6 year deal is a sign and trade i seriously doubt Trouba commits to it. I don't see Trouba signing a deal with Winnipeg of long term length only to be traded at Cheveldayoff's convenience just don't see it happening.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Is he racist or just being discriminatory?

Trade his ass to Columbus and into obscurity. He's got the attitude of a loser, so Columbus fits.

loool you cant be racist against a country..... You know,its called RAC(E)ist and your nationality isnt a race

 

[Hunter368]

I'm willing to bet that Chevy has a trade on his desk right now that he is willing to take November 30th but why wouldn't he wait and see if it gets sweeter or someone else steps up, especially if the trade is for a LHD prospect that he doesn't have to put into the lineup today and protect from the expansion draft.

Honestly, if it is:

Blue-chip LHD 1st round prospect
Blue-chip prospect NHL ready
1st

...why not sit on that until the 30th? None if it impacts the current Jets lineup to make them better and perhaps the second piece becomes something better from that team or another offer to trump that before the 30th.

If it isn't a NHL roster player in the deal, sit on it until the 30th and monitor that teams progress and position if their 1st. Detroit or Boston could be bottom 10 by November 30th.

Agreed, I've stated a similar thing also in the past. No doubt he has multi deals in his back pocket waiting for an answer. I've stated many times that everything up till about nov 15th is just for show, real deal making will happen in the last two weeks of nov

 

[WesMcCauley]

Maybe, maybe not.

If teams are largely set right now and have little flexibility in what they can offer were then forced to take lesser value (mixture of smaller pieces) this might represent 75% of Trouba's value. Vs sitting him for the year and trading him during the summer one might expect teams having getter flexibility to make better offers.....this might represent 75% of his value. Six of one and half dozen of another makes little difference if you want to argue the idea Trouba loses any value (and I'm not specifically stating that). Plus sitting him for a year gives the jets long term value with all future RFA players who might have a similar idea and will know the jets won't cave in to the player.

Personally I'm fine either way, trade him (assuming you can get very good deal) or sit him for the year (get a good deal during the summer).....in the end I see the net benefit as about the same.

I kind of agree with you but i dont think you should forget that not playing a year, even if he isnt injured, isnt a good thing. Loses one year of development, its not the same practising with some friends on the ice 5 times a week, as playing a NHL schedule! If he goes to Europe or something aswell, not comparable to playing in the NHL. Its a hard situation for your GM, Trouba wants out, Buff is in his 30s and as much as i like him, he makes alot of weird plays/decisions and can be a little bit of a liability at times and having 3 good RDs is a perfect situation! You have unreal RD depth if Trouba resigned and its still pretty good without him. What i really understand is your GM wanting something very good in return! Because Trouba is a very good player already and i would love to have him in NYR and i think their is a deal to be made between us, specially when you see how well Skjei, Miller, Hayes etc have been so far this season!

 

[Hunter368]

The way Overhardt sounded like Trouba's days in Winnipeg are over, And he wont be back so unless that 5-6 year deal is a sign and trade i seriously doubt Trouba commits to it. I don't see Trouba signing a deal with Winnipeg of long term length only to be traded at Cheveldayoff's convenience just don't see it happening.

Reverse can be said, why would Chevy sign a 1-2 year deal and do Trouba a solid when his value is higher the longer the term. Chevy won't sign a 1-2 deal, won't happen

Overhardt was just blowing hot air, would expect no different from any agent

 

[Hunter368]

I kind of agree with you but i dont think you should forget that not playing a year, even if he isnt injured, isnt a good thing. Loses one year of development!

Agreed and I stated that, during summer one might expect to get 75% value but it will be a much better fit. So in reality we aren't really any worse off, plus we set the tone for all future RFA they will know not to call the jets bluff. Similar to what Snow has done in NY, sign by TC or sit out for the year. Good rule.

 

[CaptainChef]

The way Overhardt sounded like Trouba's days in Winnipeg are over, And he wont be back so unless that 5-6 year deal is a sign and trade i seriously doubt Trouba commits to it. I don't see Trouba signing a deal with Winnipeg of long term length only to be traded at Cheveldayoff's convenience just don't see it happening.

Maybe you don't see it happening but to state it will NEVER happen (as you did in your previous post) is far from reality. There are many scenarios where a long-term deal might well happen. In fact, I think the Jets will resign him unless a really good trade proposal comes to light. That, or Trouba is stubborn enough to sit for a year which is possible but inprobable.

So would the Jets be tempted by a 2 year bridge (thereby giving Trouba arbitration rights after the bridge) or would they hold him to signing long term. I think they hold enough of the cards here, that unless they see a trade as imminent, they will force him to sign a long term deal (agreeing to trade him when a right deal comes along).

If he's not willing, the other option (sitting out) will hurt the Jets a bit but really will hurt Trouba. All depends how determined & stubborn he wants to be.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Reverse can be said, why would Chevy sign a 1-2 year deal and do Trouba a solid when his value is higher the longer the term. Chevy won't sign a 1-2 deal, won't happen

Overhardt was just blowing hot air, would expect no different from any agent

I can totally relate to that, But bottom line if Trouba agrees to a 5-6 year deal it will be as a sign and trade kind of deal. Not a deal to play for 3-4 years in Winnipeg and then might get traded at Chevy's convenience down the road. I just don't see that being a possibility.

 

[SCP Guy]

Agreed and I stated that, during summer one might expect to get 75% value but it will be a much better fit. So in reality we aren't really any worse off, plus we set the tone for all future RFA they will know not to call the jets bluff. Similar to what Snow has done in NY, sign by TC or sit out for the year. Good rule.

In the summer more teams will be able to make offers due to the cap...so I think any loss in value will be made up by more interest and the price will rise again...I dont see many top 4 22 year old RHD being on the trading block just before the draft.....So if your a GM in MERICA and you want to add that to your team only one number to call 204-555-CHEVY

All this talk about a drastic reduction in value is plain silly......IMO

His value will drop hard on Dec 2nd.....Then by May it will be almost right where it was in September

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Then where did the 6 years at 5.5 come from? Someone is talking.

JT can't have his family or girlfriend with him and he finds Winnipeg a less than desireable city; I can totally relate. When I was in the military, I was forced to live in Chicago for two years and I was miserable since I was born and raised in a small mountain town. Other people I was stationed with loved it. I worked a transfer to South Carolina and couldn't have been happier. To each his own.

Out of college I was recruited and signed with a firm with an office in my hometown. They forced me to relocate to a city where I didn't want to live and had to leave my family behind. I let them know I wasn't happy about it, gave them a year to sort it out but they didn't so I quit and found a firm that would allow me to live somewhere reasonable.

No one wins when you force someone to choose between employer and family. If his location and usage on the team make Winnipeg undesirable work to find a solution for both parties. Instead of TNSE getting a name for treating players poorly and like property, be reasonable and treat them well and people will come.

During the weekend of the Heritage Classic it was reported (via Sportsnet) that the Jets were willing to offer a 6 x 5.5 contract. This was on the heels of Lindholm signing his team friendly deal. (6 x 5.2).

It was a way of saying they were offering more than market value to him. This theme of TNSE treating people unfairly is just crap. Try talking to the players who have been here. They have a very good reputation with all aspects of their business.

Choosing between employer and family for a pro athlete? The % of players not playing at home is incredibly high. Why should Trouba get to be awarded the status of a UFA over these other players?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Maybe you don't see it happening but to state it will NEVER happen (as you did in your previous post) is far from reality. There are many scenarios where a long-term deal might well happen. In fact, I think the Jets will resign him unless a really good trade proposal comes to light. That, or Trouba is stubborn enough to sit for a year which is possible but inprobable.

So would the Jets be tempted by a 2 year bridge (thereby giving Trouba arbitration rights after the bridge) or would they hold him to signing long term. I think they hold enough of the cards here, that unless they see a trade as imminent, they will force him to sign a long term deal (agreeing to trade him when a right deal comes along).

If he's not willing, the other option (sitting out) will hurt the Jets a bit but really will hurt Trouba. All depends how determined & stubborn he wants to be.

I can see a 5 to 6 year deal getting done, But like i told the other poster i think it would've to be a sign and trade kind of deal for Trouba to sign it. By all accounts Trouba's days in Winnipeg are over. I don't see Trouba sitting out Kurt Overhardt already mentioned that there's a contingency plan in place if Trouba isn't resigned by December 1st maybe he plays over in Europe or the KHL i don't know but any ways it sounds like Trouba's days with Winnipeg are over. And besides why would Cheveldayoff want a disgruntled D man on the team any ways. A trade of Trouba is in the best benefit for both Trouba and the Jets.

 

[MikeRahl]

I can see a 5 to 6 year deal getting done, But like i told the other poster i think it would've to be a sign and trade kind of deal for Trouba to sign it. By all accounts Trouba's days in Winnipeg are over. I don't see Trouba sitting out Kurt Overhardt already mentioned that there's a contingency plan in place if Trouba isn't resigned by December 1st maybe he plays over in Europe or the KHL i don't know but any ways it sounds like Trouba's days with Winnipeg are over. And besides why would Cheveldayoff want a disgruntled D man on the team any ways. A trade of Trouba is in the best benefit for both Trouba and the Jets.

If the plan was to play overseas if he couldn't get a trade from the Jets... why not just sign the QO and accrue your year?

By all accounts he wants to play close to... where ever the reason du jour is. I can't imagine he would last long across the pond.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

If the plan was to play overseas if he couldn't get a trade from the Jets... why not just sign the QO and accrue your year?

By all accounts he wants to play close to... where ever the reason du jour is. I can't imagine he would last long across the pond.

Don't know just saw that Overhardt said that there's a contingency plan if Trouba isn't resigned by Dec 1st. Not sure what kind of plan it would be any ways it sound like Trouba's days playing in Winnipeg are over. So does Chevy just do nothing and let Trouba sit out more and hope that Trouba caves in first. Because it sounds like Trouba is willing to set it out for the long haul here if need be.

 

[MikeRahl]

Don't know just saw that Overhardt said that there's a contingency plan if Trouba isn't resigned by Dec 1st. Not sure what kind of plan it would be any ways it sound like Trouba's days playing in Winnipeg are over. So does Chevy just do nothing and let Trouba sit out more and hope that Trouba caves in first. Because it sounds like Trouba is willing to set it out for the long haul here if need be.

Of course there's a contingency plan. If Overhardt went up to Trouba on Dec 2nd and said "I've made a huge mistake".

He probably wouldn't have any clients on Dec. 3rd

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Of course there's a contingency plan. If Overhardt went up to Trouba on Dec 2nd and said "I've made a huge mistake".

He probably wouldn't have any clients on Dec. 3rd

Well considering that there's only 4 weeks to get something done here, We shall find out what happens in the next 2 to 3 weeks here. It would be for Trouba's benefit to try and work something out here if he doesn't want to sit out the year and lose a RFA year here.

 

[Flair Hay]

All this talk about him sitting out the season? It's not going to happen. Dude wants out of Winnipeg so bad he'd be willing to go to Europe to make it happen? I doubt it.

 

[Riptide]

Reverse can be said, why would Chevy sign a 1-2 year deal and do Trouba a solid when his value is higher the longer the term. Chevy won't sign a 1-2 deal, won't happen

Overhardt was just blowing hot air, would expect no different from any agent

And for the same reasons, why would Trouba sign for more than that if there's no guarantee that he'll be moved immediately? Signing a 4+ year deal could just as easily ensure that he's stuck there for half a decade. How long did it take Kane to get traded? Why go through that?