Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VI

[Matt4776]

Is he racist or just being discriminatory?

Trade his ass to Columbus and into obscurity. He's got the attitude of a loser, so Columbus fits.

The same franchise that has more playoff appearances than you do in the last decade?

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Assessing possible 1 for 1 trade candidates, I've taken this list from here: http://puckprose.com/2015/10/23/nhl-top-25-defenseman-under-25-years-of-age/ and removed RHD from the list. Trouba is ranked #8. I really don't see a 1 for 1 happening. Winnipeg will either have to downgrade, or add a decent pick or a prospect.

1- OEL
2- Hedman
9- Rielly
10- Krug
12- Lindholm
16- Murray
17- Leddy
18- Brodin
20- Fowler
21- Klefbom
22- Maatta
25- McNabb

Klefbom lower than Brodin, Fowler and Murray? Interesting.

 

[Gump Hasek]

If a team that's really struggling but is "developing" lets Trouba sit a year instead of getting value for him and improving the team I don't know what to say except get a new GM.

The team is struggling because it is icing a really young lineup. If trading Trouba only returns depth versus a player that offers full replacement value, then they can afford to let him sit out. No biggie.

They are garnering increased depth annually already ex-Trouba via the draft. Those players take time. No need exists here to rush to trade a player for less than his worth.

 

[Riptide]

Well, at least you were honest enough to come back here and admit that you made absurd assumptions with nothing to back them up. Not many posters will do that.

It's an "absurd assumption" saying that Trouba isn't a top pairing D?

 

[Ducks in a row]

Klefbom lower than Brodin, Fowler and Murray? Interesting.

Have you seen Fowler? He has been great for the Ducks.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Have you seen Fowler? He has been great for the Ducks.

I never said he was playing bad, did I?

 

[Liferleafer]

According to Dreger and McKenzie Canada is a no go period for Trouba. And Dreger said that it would take Rielly for Trouba not Gardiner Rielly fits what Cheveldayoff is seeking not Gardiner.

Gee, that's nice. Hope Chevy gets Trouba signed and he plays for the Jets, because i don't think Lou has lost his mind.

 

[Snowman]

It's an "absurd assumption" saying that Trouba isn't a top pairing D?

Yes, when you admit you have no basis for it, even when provided with stats to show how wrong you are.

Plus you even said you made an absurd assumption.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

I know the difference between rfa and ufa, thanks.

By "stuck there" I meant within the NHL, thought that was pretty clear in the context I said it in. WPG is already not attractive for many players, stuff like taking 3 years to move Kane and potentially sitting Trouba out a whole season only make that worse. Why, for example, would any NCAA player with any doubt at all about wanting to be there sign after something like this when they could stay in college and become a UFA instead? My post was made in response to someone saying the team would be less attractive if they were willing to move RFAs who don't want to be there. I completely disagree.

The value of something is determined by the seller and buyer when they agree on terms of an exchange. It does matter if WPG is asking too much because it means the team continues to fail while a valuable asset slowly loses value.


The point of the GM job is to the build the best team, not to be as rigid as possible in one specific trade. Chevys team isn't good and he has an asset that he can't use himself but that can be exchanged for other assets that will help his team. If he asks too much and he doesn't move that asset, of course that matters, it's him failing to do his job.

If you think the Jets are being unfair in this process then I don't know what to tell you. A 22 year old kid is acting like he's a UFA demanding a trade, holding out, potentially sabotaging trades through his agent ("no fit in Canada" comment). Including their bogus RH side claim. Usage is not an issue; Trouba was already among the league leaders in his position for time on ice and that was about to be increased as he would have been top pairing this season.

As a Jets STH I have no issue with our GM being very careful about how he resolves this. Overhardt has proven time and again that he is a sleaze and will make life difficult for everyone.

The thing I don't get is why so many people outside of Wpg and or Jets fans care so much? Why is there all these pages of posts speculating on the outcome. Everyone is so certain one way or the other of what is going to happen.

We even have a full on Boston vs NYR debate raging on amongst people repeating posts that they wrote days and weeks ago.

I'm looking forward to a resolution and trust our management team to do what is best for our franchise. If Trouba wants to forego a year of salary and still owe us 4 years of service that will be on him. (or his dad, or his agent, or his girlfriend, or Mr Snuffleupagus....)

 

[cneely]

He doesn't have a no trade clause. So really he will play where ever they move him to.

He's a free agent. Toronto is not going to trade assets for him if he won't sign there.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Gee, that's nice. Hope Chevy gets Trouba signed and he plays for the Jets, because i don't think Lou has lost his mind.

No Lou would never do it in a million years, But that's the supposed asking price if you want one of the better young D men in the league then you're going to have to pay and that's all the more reason why i don't see Trouba playing in Toronto.

 

[Hunter368]

Chevy might force Trouba to sign a reasonable contract for 5-6 years and then trade him to the team that's offers the most. By doing this Chevy eliminates Trouba's ability from blocking certain offers/destinations (with very high contract demands). Of course this means not offering any limitations on trades in the contract or at least not in the first 1-2 years and likely means going right up till the deadline to force to signing to happen. Aka who blinks first.

 

[Ducks in a row]

I never said he was playing bad, did I?

Well he hasn't been better then Fowler so he shouldn't be listed but not surprised coming from a Rangers fan see so many Rangers fans trash talk about Fowler not giving him much credit for anything.

 

[liquiduck]

Well he hasn't been better then Fowler so he shouldn't be listed but not surprised coming from a Rangers fan see so many Rangers fans trash talk about Fowler not giving him much credit for anything.

Don't worry. We can just keep linking that beautiful Mcllrath thread lol

 

[haveandare]

The team is struggling because it is icing a really young lineup. If trading Trouba only returns depth versus a player that offers full replacement value, then they can afford to let him sit out. No biggie.

They are garnering increased depth annually already ex-Trouba via the draft. Those players take time. No need exists here to rush to trade a player for less than his worth.

There's a large gap between "depth" and what Chevy and Jets fans consider "full replacement value" for Trouba. Something in the middle would certainly help the Jets improve. And I've said this many, many times hearing only about the 15 year old case of Peca, but how do you figure sitting him out wouldn't hurt his value going forward? He's 22, right now they can sell him as a #2 who can grow into a #1. After sitting him out for year you'd need a pretty stupid GM to bite on that same pitch. Not to mention, it's another year of prime play down the drain for the acquiring team as opposed to what they'd get if they traded for him this year.

Every single team in the league is increasing their depth annually via the draft, thats not a special advantage the Jets have except that they've been losing enough without improving that their picks will be better than most.

I've said it before but I'll repeat it again, a need to move Trouba before Dec 1 does exist because he's not going to become more valuable after he's sat for an entire year, is a year older, and a year back in his development. The Jets are doing poorly and they have an asset they can move to help them do better. The point is to ice the best team you can. Chevy is actively working against that if he lets Trouba sit no matter how much the fans want to find excuses for him.

 

[haveandare]

If you think the Jets are being unfair in this process then I don't know what to tell you. A 22 year old kid is acting like he's a UFA demanding a trade, holding out, potentially sabotaging trades through his agent ("no fit in Canada" comment). Including their bogus RH side claim. Usage is not an issue; Trouba was already among the league leaders in his position for time on ice and that was about to be increased as he would have been top pairing this season.

As a Jets STH I have no issue with our GM being very careful about how he resolves this. Overhardt has proven time and again that he is a sleaze and will make life difficult for everyone.

The thing I don't get is why so many people outside of Wpg and or Jets fans care so much? Why is there all these pages of posts speculating on the outcome. Everyone is so certain one way or the other of what is going to happen.

We even have a full on Boston vs NYR debate raging on amongst people repeating posts that they wrote days and weeks ago.

I'm looking forward to a resolution and trust our management team to do what is best for our franchise. If Trouba wants to forego a year of salary and still owe us 4 years of service that will be on him. (or his dad, or his agent, or his girlfriend, or Mr Snuffleupagus....)

When did I ever say they're being unfair? If they don't move him before Dec 1st I think they're being stupid, but fairness has nothing to do with it.

I can't speak for everyone else but I care about this because I'm a fan of the league in general and I'm fascinated with the game in the offices as much as the game on the ice. I find the team building competition to be interesting and this situation is by far the most interesting current event in the team building aspect of the NHL today. It's also important for every team as a player sitting out hasn't happened in a long time and Trouba sitting would set something of a new precedent. I'm not at all certain of what's going to happen, but I have an opinion on what would be best and I've been sharing it.

You're free to think what you want but I don't see a likely scenario where sitting him for a year turns out to be anything like the best thing for your franchise.

 

[CaptainChef]

There's a large gap between "depth" and what Chevy and Jets fans consider "full replacement value" for Trouba. Something in the middle would certainly help the Jets improve. And I've said this many, many times hearing only about the 15 year old case of Peca, but how do you figure sitting him out wouldn't hurt his value going forward? He's 22, right now they can sell him as a #2 who can grow into a #1. After sitting him out for year you'd need a pretty stupid GM to bite on that same pitch. Not to mention, it's another year of prime play down the drain for the acquiring team as opposed to what they'd get if they traded for him this year.

Every single team in the league is increasing their depth annually via the draft, thats not a special advantage the Jets have except that they've been losing enough without improving that their picks will be better than most.

I've said it before but I'll repeat it again, a need to move Trouba before Dec 1 does exist because he's not going to become more valuable after he's sat for an entire year, is a year older, and a year back in his development. The Jets are doing poorly and they have an asset they can move to help them do better. The point is to ice the best team you can. Chevy is actively working against that if he lets Trouba sit no matter how much the fans want to find excuses for him.

I think when this is all said & done, there's going to be only one person around here that's going to look stupid, and it won't be one of the GMs. So prepare to eat CROW, because its inevitable that the Jets will get a good return or resign him (eventually). We're prepared to wait it out; I don't know why you should care enough to post 20 posts a day trying to prove you're right.

You've been trying to make a case for days how his value is dropping dropping dropping without an ounce of support. A couple other posters with similar questionable knowledge on the matter (and nothing to support their argument) seem to think the same thing.

In case you haven't noticed, there are a ton of posters from other teams that disagree with your assessment. All I hear you say its a Wpg thing & that we're essentially clued out and that our GM is unreasonable. Not so, if you'd pay attention to a few of the responses, you'd see that there is widespread support from many fan bases for the job Chevy has done with this.

Anyway, carry on. A big black bird will be waiting for you on your plate when this is all said & done.

 

[Coach Parker]

Nailed it! Chevy is not going to let Trouba go anywhere without his name on a Winnipeg Jet contract, once he signs a contract all the value that the mouth breathers keep claiming is lost will be found. 4-6 yrs. @ 5mil makes him highly desirable to a lot of teams.

Thanks! Simplify it for everyone. Make him under contract for a bridge for three years at 3.0 million (an absolute steal) and get the value of the contract and the player from said team.

Jets get a substantial haul for Trouba.
Team gets Trouba on an amazing deal.
Trouba gets to go to that team and be where he wants.

No losers in that scenario and it could re-define RFA contracts. If you want to hold out to go to a specific team, sign a bridge contract that maximizes your value so we get an amazing return.

 

[Coach Parker]

He doesn't have a no trade clause. So really he will play where ever they move him to.

Incorrect. He simply doesn't sign with the Leafs once the Jets trade him away. Lou would have already spoken to Trouba's agent months ago and learned that.

 

[Coach Parker]

Is he racist or just being discriminatory?

Trade his ass to Columbus and into obscurity. He's got the attitude of a loser, so Columbus fits.

Canada isn't a race, it's a citizenship or nationality.

Ironically, in your attempt to call him discriminatory in your post, you did the exact same thing against the people of Columbus and their fans.

 

[Coach Parker]

Chevy might force Trouba to sign a reasonable contract for 5-6 years and then trade him to the team that's offers the most. By doing this Chevy eliminates Trouba's ability from blocking certain offers/destinations (with very high contract demands). Of course this means not offering any limitations on trades in the contract or at least not in the first 1-2 years and likely means going right up till the deadline to force to signing to happen. Aka who blinks first.

Trouba will never sign a contract with the Jets. The same reason why he won't sign an offer-sheet:

What if Chevy doesn't trade him or matches? He is now under contract to play and stay in Winnipeg.

He gets traded then signs moments later with that team because he has a contract in place with them.

 

[Lurch]

Thanks! Simplify it for everyone. Make him under contract for a bridge for three years at 3.0 million (an absolute steal) and get the value of the contract and the player from said team.

Jets get a substantial haul for Trouba.
Team gets Trouba on an amazing deal.
Trouba gets to go to that team and be where he wants.

No losers in that scenario and it could re-define RFA contracts. If you want to hold out to go to a specific team, sign a bridge contract that maximizes your value so we get an amazing return.

I agree completely. Since an outright trade does not appear likely; this seems to be the next best reasonable solution for all sides.

 

[Coach Parker]

I think when this is all said & done, there's going to be only one person around here that's going to look stupid, and it won't be one of the GMs. So prepare to eat CROW, because its inevitable that the Jets will get a good return or resign him (eventually). We're prepared to wait it out; I don't know why you should care enough to post 20 posts a day trying to prove you're right.

You've been trying to make a case for days how his value is dropping dropping dropping without an ounce of support. A couple other posters with similar questionable knowledge on the matter (and nothing to support their argument) seem to think the same thing.

In case you haven't noticed, there are a ton of posters from other teams that disagree with your assessment. All I hear you say its a Wpg thing & that we're essentially clued out and that our GM is unreasonable. Not so, if you'd pay attention to a few of the responses, you'd see that there is widespread support from many fan bases for the job Chevy has done with this.

Anyway, carry on. A big black bird will be waiting for you on your plate when this is all said & done.

I'm willing to bet that Chevy has a trade on his desk right now that he is willing to take November 30th but why wouldn't he wait and see if it gets sweeter or someone else steps up, especially if the trade is for a LHD prospect that he doesn't have to put into the lineup today and protect from the expansion draft.

Honestly, if it is:

Blue-chip LHD 1st round prospect
Blue-chip prospect NHL ready
1st

...why not sit on that until the 30th? None if it impacts the current Jets lineup to make them better and perhaps the second piece becomes something better from that team or another offer to trump that before the 30th.

If it isn't a NHL roster player in the deal, sit on it until the 30th and monitor that teams progress and position if their 1st. Detroit or Boston could be bottom 10 by November 30th.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Chevy might force Trouba to sign a reasonable contract for 5-6 years and then trade him to the team that's offers the most. By doing this Chevy eliminates Trouba's ability from blocking certain offers/destinations (with very high contract demands). Of course this means not offering any limitations on trades in the contract or at least not in the first 1-2 years and likely means going right up till the deadline to force to signing to happen. Aka who blinks first.

This will never happen, There's no way that Trouba will commit 5-6 years with Winnipeg when he's seeking out of there.

Trouba wants no part of Winnipeg, Any deal that Trouba signs will stipulate that. Trouba will only do a deal that trades him out of Winnipeg to another team more or less a desirable trade to an American team preferably in the East or so. Any way Trouba's days with Winnipeg are over.

Maybe Trouba agrees to a 1-2 year bridge deal, And then can work out a long term deal with his new club later. But there's no way that Trouba is committing to Winnipeg long term if he doesn't want to be there. It's just not going to happen.

 

[drw02]

I know Jets fans say they're fine waiting it out on Trouba but it's in Chevy's best interest to get something done here in the next month imo. The longer he waits Trouba's value drops a little. He is a very good young D but sitting out an entire year is real bad for a young players development. If it takes until the summer it's not unreasonable for potential trading partners to be a little concerned about exactly what they're getting. By the time training camp rolls around next year it would be almost a year and half since he's played a game. And considering Trouba wants a nice chunk of change and the Jets are asking for a high end piece in return I can see some teams having doubt at that point.