Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VI

[Funk21]

Thanks. If missing one player from what is already a very young lineup causes them to finish near the bottom of the standings, then the lottery is where they belong.

That might even result in the Jets garnering the current #1 consensus pick, Nolan Patrick - a player born and raised in Winnipeg and stems from a very famous family here.

Thanks again for your concern.

Nothing to be concerned about the draft gods will hopefully smile on another CDN frachise named the leafs and we will have Matthews, Patrick, Marner and Nylander. Plus we will trade for Trouba before Dec 1!

Kidding of course, not a good situation because I believe that Winnipeg has a great young team and it would be a shame to lose another season. Hopefully Chevy can find a trading partner for Trouba and get close to equal value.

 

[SCP Guy]

I would be much more sympathetic for the jets plight if a fair 2 year bridge offer were on the table. This would allow the Jets to have an asset signed and helping the team now while allowing them to shop for a trade that suits their needs. This way both parties can operate in good faith.

From reports I have read, it seems like the Jets are only offering long term into his UFA year to which they have no right. Jets fans are barking that JT sitting out in circumventing the CBA, well what are the Jets doing only offering a contract into his UFA years? My thoughts are that if a team is afraid of arbitration; they are not treating their players correctly. Give him a fair bridge, treat him right so that he may want to sign long term with your team. Otherwise, he gets another bridge until he hits UFA. It looks like a win/win to me.

You read wrong...it has been confirmed by Trouba's agent (His interview on TSN 1290) that the Jets have never been given the opportunity to make JT ANY contract offer...that would include being able to negotiate a bridge or a long term deal.

The Jets obviously would prefer a long term deal as they like what JT brings to the team.....but his agent has said won't negotiate any contract. If his camp came out and said we will only sign a bridge and not long term because we want to get to our arbitration rights as the CBA states I would agree the Jets should save money and bridge him, but that is not the case!

So I guess you are way more sympathetic to jets fans now??

 

[SCP Guy]

I'm sure this has been offered up before, so apologies if it's been here a million times, but how do Jets fans feel about Olli Maatta as the main piece in a Trouba trade?

Both players the same age, both had tons of early success with high upside, followed by some struggles. Maatta is signed long term at just over 4MM and is a left shot LD. Seems like a good fit and value seems reasonably fair.

I am not sold on moving Maatta as a Pens fan, but have always liked Trouba and think he might be a better long term fit for the Pens up tempo system where great skating D are almost a must.

Sorry I have not seen Maatta play much other then the playoffs......This offer has been thrown around a bunch of times in the past.....I think the result was the Pens have to add to Maatta to get Trouba (not sure what or how much) This of course would only be possible IF Trouba was willing to play in Pitt and sign a team friendly long term deal with the Pens. Without that guaranteed no way the Pens risk Maatta for an unsigned Trouba.

If Trouba agreed to a 6 year 4.9 AAV deal Im curious what the add would be to Maatta.......draft pick? what round?

 

[GoJetsGo55]

You read wrong...it has been confirmed by Trouba's agent (His interview on TSN 1290) that the Jets have never been given the opportunity to make JT ANY contract offer...that would include being able to negotiate a bridge or a long term deal.

The Jets obviously would prefer a long term deal as they like what JT brings to the team.....but his agent has said won't negotiate any contract. If his camp came out and said we will only sign a bridge and not long term because we want to get to our arbitration rights as the CBA states I would agree the Jets should save money and bridge him, but that is not the case!

So I guess you are way more sympathetic to jets fans now??

This man speaks the truth!

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Sorry I have not seen Maatta play much other then the playoffs......This offer has been thrown around a bunch of times in the past.....I think the result was the Pens have to add to Maatta to get Trouba (not sure what or how much) This of course would only be possible IF Trouba was willing to play in Pitt and sign a team friendly long term deal with the Pens. Without that guaranteed no way the Pens risk Maatta for an unsigned Trouba.

If Trouba agreed to a 6 year 4.9 AAV deal Im curious what the add would be to Maatta.......draft pick? what round?

It's probably one of the top solutions to this situation but I am very scared of what people have been saying about Maatta. Is he still capable of being that beastly defender or have injuries taken their toll. I honestly don't know as I haven't seen him play much. I just know there's a risk there.

 

[Lurch]

You read wrong...it has been confirmed by Trouba's agent that the Jets have never been given the opportunity to make JT ANY contract offer...that would include being able to negotiate a bridge or a long term deal.

The Jets obviously would prefer a long term deal as they like what JT brings to the team.....but his agent has said won't negotiate any contract.

So I guess you are way more sympathetic to jets fans now??

Then where did the 6 years at 5.5 come from? Someone is talking.

JT can't have his family or girlfriend with him and he finds Winnipeg a less than desireable city; I can totally relate. When I was in the military, I was forced to live in Chicago for two years and I was miserable since I was born and raised in a small mountain town. Other people I was stationed with loved it. I worked a transfer to South Carolina and couldn't have been happier. To each his own.

Out of college I was recruited and signed with a firm with an office in my hometown. They forced me to relocate to a city where I didn't want to live and had to leave my family behind. I let them know I wasn't happy about it, gave them a year to sort it out but they didn't so I quit and found a firm that would allow me to live somewhere reasonable.

No one wins when you force someone to choose between employer and family. If his location and usage on the team make Winnipeg undesirable work to find a solution for both parties. Instead of TNSE getting a name for treating players poorly and like property, be reasonable and treat them well and people will come.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Then where did the 6 years at 5.5 come from? Someone is talking.

JT can't have his family or girlfriend with him and he finds Winnipeg a less than desireable city; I can totally relate. When I was in the military, I was forced to live in Chicago for two years and I was miserable since I was born and raised in a small mountain town. Other people I was stationed with loved it. I worked a transfer to South Carolina and couldn't have been happier. To each his own.

Out of college I was recruited and signed with a firm with an office in my hometown. They forced me to relocate to a city where I didn't want to live and had to leave my family behind. I let them know I wasn't happy about it, gave them a year to sort it out but they didn't so I quit and found a firm that would allow me to live somewhere reasonable.

No one wins when you force someone to choose between employer and family. If his location and usage on the team make Winnipeg undesirable work to find a solution for both parties. Instead of TNSE getting a name for treating players poorly and like property, be reasonable and treat them well and people will come.

The 6 x 5.5 is likely a leak from TNSE. It's a legit offer that's on the table.

As for all the "whoa is me" stuff for Trouba. He can leave the NHL.

No one is forcing him to do anything. No one forced you to stay at your old job so you left. You had that choice. So does Trouba. I feel so bad for these millionaires.

"I want to play in the NHL and make millions of dollars."

"Ok you have to play at X location for the first 7 years."

"But I don't want to do that."

"Well it's either that or don't get paid."

"HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION!!!!!!!!"

I have no doubt the Jets are looking to trade him and honor his request but he has to wait until a suitable offer comes in. It's that simple. If he went "TRADE ME!" and Chevy took an early offer below value, I would expect him to be fired the second his pen finished singing the papers.

All of this "the players are being treated like slaves" garbage is so insanely idiotic.
(This last part isn't directed at you....I've seen people make the comparison to slaves earlier.)

 

[Snowman]

Then where did the 6 years at 5.5 come from? Someone is talking.

JT can't have his family or girlfriend with him and he finds Winnipeg a less than desireable city; I can totally relate. When I was in the military, I was forced to live in Chicago for two years and I was miserable since I was born and raised in a small mountain town. Other people I was stationed with loved it. I worked a transfer to South Carolina and couldn't have been happier. To each his own.

Out of college I was recruited and signed with a firm with an office in my hometown. They forced me to relocate to a city where I didn't want to live and had to leave my family behind. I let them know I wasn't happy about it, gave them a year to sort it out but they didn't so I quit and found a firm that would allow me to live somewhere reasonable.

No one wins when you force someone to choose between employer and family. If his location and usage on the team make Winnipeg undesirable work to find a solution for both parties. Instead of TNSE getting a name for treating players poorly and like property, be reasonable and treat them well and people will come.

You are mis-reading the situation again. The Jets aren't doing anything to Trouba. Trouba is the one who decided to sit out and refuse to negotiate a contract, so you're blaming the wrong party again, like many others in this thread. Trouba is doing this to himself, he decided the path this would take.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Then where did the 6 years at 5.5 come from? Someone is talking.

TSN is reporting the Jets are prepared to offer that amount and term.

http://www.tsn.ca/trouba-really-only-has-two-choices-1.596587

After the player asked for a trade, held out, and demands to choose where he is traded, why would the Jets offer him a bridge contract that facilitates the request and requires further dealings with the agent?

RFA players coming out of entry-level deals are essentially bound to the teams that draft them until they put in four more years of service. He can ask for a trade but the team does not have to grant it. If they eventually trade him, it should be on their terms, not his.

 

[Shady Machine]

Sorry I have not seen Maatta play much other then the playoffs......This offer has been thrown around a bunch of times in the past.....I think the result was the Pens have to add to Maatta to get Trouba (not sure what or how much) This of course would only be possible IF Trouba was willing to play in Pitt and sign a team friendly long term deal with the Pens. Without that guaranteed no way the Pens risk Maatta for an unsigned Trouba.

If Trouba agreed to a 6 year 4.9 AAV deal Im curious what the add would be to Maatta.......draft pick? what round?

No problem. Maatta is a very smart player, is strong in the d zone (great positioning and makes good reads nearly every time) and can jump into the play off the rush and contribute. He can play in all situations but is probably a 2nd PP guy and doubt he'd get a ton of time there with the Jets.

The only question marks for Maatta have been injuries, health, and skating. His top end speed is certainly fine, but his pivots and side to side mobility can be suspect at times. Even in his rookie season, he could get walked by a forward changing speeds where Maatta had trouble pivoting and keeping his gap. He also got caught a few times jumping into the play at the wrong time and got burned because he didn't have the closing speed to get back.

The key for Maatta to mitigate those deficiencies is to have a tighter gap and have better reads on when to jump into the play. It's also helpful to play him with a guy that can really skate (Maatta-Letang or Maatta-Daley have been the most frequent pairings).

From my perspective, this trade would be intriguing for the Pens because 1. RD are harder to find 2. It let's the Pens move Daley up with Letang on the left side and gives Pens flexibility to move on from Daley if he wants too much term this summer 3. Opens up a spot on the left side for Pouliot to slide into when he's ready and 4. I think Trouba's skating ability fits the Pens system better.

As for the +, I guess it's relative to what Chevy can get on the market. To me, I think Trouba's upside is probably higher and right shot RD are harder to come by, but the thought of Trouba sitting out the full season probably isn't enticing to the Jets (or to Trouba) and they have a month to maximize that value. Maatta fits the bill of what they wanted in return (young top 4 left dman) so I wouldn't add too much. If it's a pick, probably Maatta+2nd/3rd is probably fair.

 

[SCP Guy]

Then where did the 6 years at 5.5 come from? Someone is talking.

JT can't have his family or girlfriend with him and he finds Winnipeg a less than desireable city; I can totally relate. When I was in the military, I was forced to live in Chicago for two years and I was miserable since I was born and raised in a small mountain town. Other people I was stationed with loved it. I worked a transfer to South Carolina and couldn't have been happier. To each his own.

Out of college I was recruited and signed with a firm with an office in my hometown. They forced me to relocate to a city where I didn't want to live and had to leave my family behind. I let them know I wasn't happy about it, gave them a year to sort it out but they didn't so I quit and found a firm that would allow me to live somewhere reasonable.

No one wins when you force someone to choose between employer and family. If his location and usage on the team make Winnipeg undesirable work to find a solution for both parties. Instead of TNSE getting a name for treating players poorly and like property, be reasonable and treat them well and people will come.

Keep on believing what you want....If you don't want to believe what his agent said during a radio interview then that is your prerogative....THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN NEGOTIATING ANY DEAL.....And that is not fair to the Jets who have put a lot of money and time into developing JT into the player he is! If they are not willing to negotiate even a bridge deal that could be fair to both sides then the Jets are in NO way responsible to trade him only to certain cities he wants to go to without receiving 100% compensation in return!

 

[SCP Guy]

No problem. Maatta is a very smart player, is strong in the d zone (great positioning and makes good reads nearly every time) and can jump into the play off the rush and contribute. He can play in all situations but is probably a 2nd PP guy and doubt he'd get a ton of time there with the Jets.

The only question marks for Maatta have been injuries, health, and skating. His top end speed is certainly fine, but his pivots and side to side mobility can be suspect at times. Even in his rookie season, he could get walked by a forward changing speeds where Maatta had trouble pivoting and keeping his gap. He also got caught a few times jumping into the play at the wrong time and got burned because he didn't have the closing speed to get back.

The key for Maatta to mitigate those deficiencies is to have a tighter gap and have better reads on when to jump into the play. It's also helpful to play him with a guy that can really skate (Maatta-Letang or Maatta-Daley have been the most frequent pairings).

From my perspective, this trade would be intriguing for the Pens because 1. RD are harder to find 2. It let's the Pens move Daley up with Letang on the left side and gives Pens flexibility to move on from Daley if he wants too much term this summer 3. Opens up a spot on the left side for Pouliot to slide into when he's ready and 4. I think Trouba's skating ability fits the Pens system better.

As for the +, I guess it's relative to what Chevy can get on the market. To me, I think Trouba's upside is probably higher and right shot RD are harder to come by, but the thought of Trouba sitting out the full season probably isn't enticing to the Jets (or to Trouba) and they have a month to maximize that value. Maatta fits the bill of what they wanted in return (young top 4 left dman) so I wouldn't add too much. If it's a pick, probably Maatta+2nd/3rd is probably fair.

Thanks for the info

 

[Shady Machine]

It's probably one of the top solutions to this situation but I am very scared of what people have been saying about Maatta. Is he still capable of being that beastly defender or have injuries taken their toll. I honestly don't know as I haven't seen him play much. I just know there's a risk there.

There is risk, for sure, but he's a good player and is still young. What do the Jets current pairings look like?

I'm curious to see where Maatta would slot in.

 

[Gump Hasek]

No problem. Maatta is a very smart player, is strong in the d zone (great positioning and makes good reads nearly every time) and can jump into the play off the rush and contribute. He can play in all situations but is probably a 2nd PP guy and doubt he'd get a ton of time there with the Jets.

The only question marks for Maatta have been injuries, health, and skating. His top end speed is certainly fine, but his pivots and side to side mobility can be suspect at times. Even in his rookie season, he could get walked by a forward changing speeds where Maatta had trouble pivoting and keeping his gap. He also got caught a few times jumping into the play at the wrong time and got burned because he didn't have the closing speed to get back.

The key for Maatta to mitigate those deficiencies is to have a tighter gap and have better reads on when to jump into the play. It's also helpful to play him with a guy that can really skate (Maatta-Letang or Maatta-Daley have been the most frequent pairings).

From my perspective, this trade would be intriguing for the Pens because 1. RD are harder to find 2. It let's the Pens move Daley up with Letang on the left side and gives Pens flexibility to move on from Daley if he wants too much term this summer 3. Opens up a spot on the left side for Pouliot to slide into when he's ready and 4. I think Trouba's skating ability fits the Pens system better.

As for the +, I guess it's relative to what Chevy can get on the market. To me, I think Trouba's upside is probably higher and right shot RD are harder to come by, but the thought of Trouba sitting out the full season probably isn't enticing to the Jets (or to Trouba) and they have a month to maximize that value. Maatta fits the bill of what they wanted in return (young top 4 left dman) so I wouldn't add too much. If it's a pick, probably Maatta+2nd/3rd is probably fair.

An alternate view from this Winnipeg fan is that Maatta is damaged goods; he is a shell of the player he was once projected to be. There is a reason why Pittsburgh fans keep offering him in trade for Trouba. His skating is suspect, while Trouba's skating is one of his strengths. Maata's skating makes him a poor fit for a Winnipeg team that activates its D as much as possible. Am sure other Winnipeg fans would be interested, I am not. Pass.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

There is risk, for sure, but he's a good player and is still young. What do the Jets current pairings look like?

I'm curious to see where Maatta would slot in.

It's a little weird right now because going into the season we were going to run with:

Trouba-Buff
Enstrom-Myers
Garbage-Poop

With Trouba out, there was a GLARING hole at the #1 LD spot. We have Josh Morrissey as our best defensive prospect and he's a LD. He had some question marks around him as people (myself included) expected him to make the show last year in some capacity.

This year rolls around and there's a prime spot open for him. Well he got put onto that first line and he just ran with it. The dude has been pretty damn good. Broke up a 2-1 last night like it was nothing.

That leaves us in a weird spot. If we are trading for a LD now, do we move Morrissey down? Can he keep up his play for the year? It's like we figured out one issue and it brought up 40 other questions.

I will say this. Our defensive depth is pretty crap. Myers just went down and our call ups are not pretty. We do need a d-man back in the trade, I am just not sure if them being on the left side is as important anymore. Probably....but maybe.

 

[Shady Machine]

An alternate view from this Winnipeg fan is that Maatta is damaged goods; he is a shell of the player he was once projected to be. There is a reason why Pittsburgh fans keep offering him in trade for Trouba. His skating is suspect, while Trouba's skating is one of his strengths. Maata's skating makes him a poor fit for a Winnipeg team that activates its D as much as possible. Am sure other Winnipeg fans would be interested, I am not. Pass.

I understand that perspective and some Pen's fans probably feel that way. I don't feel that way. Maatta has gone through struggles but was very good in the San Jose series and was solid in the world cup. He's had an up and down start to the year.

I wouldn't call him a shell of what he was once projected to be (but I suppose it depends on what people projected him to be). I'd call him a young player that had a great rookie campaign, had a shoulder injury and health scare that impacted 2nd season, and had an up and down 3rd season after not having a full off season to train and working through some growing pains with his thyroid medication, new coaches, and to be fair, some legitimate skating issues.

I wouldn't say his skating overall is subpar, but as I mentioned, his quickness and pivots are below average for a top 4 puck mover. He generally makes up for that with a high hockey IQ. The good news on the skating front is he knows it's a weakness and is working hard to improve. I suppose you can only improve in that area so much at the professional level.

All of that said, you bring up a fair point on his skating and I'll defer to Jets fans on his stylistic fit to their system.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

An alternate view from this Winnipeg fan is that Maatta is damaged goods; he is a shell of the player he was once projected to be. There is a reason why Pittsburgh fans keep offering him in trade for Trouba. His skating is suspect, while Trouba's skating is one of his strengths. Maata's skating makes him a poor fit for a Winnipeg team that activates its D as much as possible. Am sure other Winnipeg fans would be interested, I am not. Pass.

Maatta spelt right once out of twice great job.

No Maatta last 3 games has played well.
The start of the season he played pretty bad

His pivoting is pretty ****** needs to make good reads again.

Trouba > Maatta.

But Maatta is signed.
I don't really wanna trade him though what will I do with his Jersey then

 

[heretik27]

Did Trouba sign yet? No? Okay, I'll check back tomorrow.

 

[Shady Machine]

It's a little weird right now because going into the season we were going to run with:

Trouba-Buff
Enstrom-Myers
Garbage-Poop

With Trouba out, there was a GLARING hole at the #1 LD spot. We have Josh Morrissey as our best defensive prospect and he's a LD. He had some question marks around him as people (myself included) expected him to make the show last year in some capacity.

This year rolls around and there's a prime spot open for him. Well he got put onto that first line and he just ran with it. The dude has been pretty damn good. Broke up a 2-1 last night like it was nothing.

That leaves us in a weird spot. If we are trading for a LD now, do we move Morrissey down? Can he keep up his play for the year? It's like we figured out one issue and it brought up 40 other questions.

I will say this. Our defensive depth is pretty crap. Myers just went down and our call ups are not pretty. We do need a d-man back in the trade, I am just not sure if them being on the left side is as important anymore. Probably....but maybe.

That's helpful, thanks. I was under the impression that the Jets really wanted a top 4 LD in return. Once Myers is healthy, they could have something like:

Maatta-Buff
Enstrom-Myers
Morriseey-whoever

If I'm honest, I'm not sure if Maatta meshes well with Buff or Myers. Not saying he wouldn't, I just don't know for sure. I'm sure that'd be something Chevy would have to really consider is this were a legitimate offer.

 

[Baddkarma]

Did Trouba sign yet? No? Okay, I'll check back tomorrow.

True! And when it happens, it most likely be "meh".

 

[lomiller1]

Clearly no bias here.

Don't mistake knowledge for bias His underlying numbers say he is a low end #1 or high end #2, his skillset says it and repeated observations of his play says it. It's far more likley that the discrepancy in our views arise from your ignorance of the player not any sort of bias on my part.

Regardless of your opinion or mine the team clearly values him as a young player who is a top pairing D right now, his camp values him as a #1 right now and there is plenty of analysis out there to suggest Trouba's camp may be closer to the truth. But trade value and contract will certainly end up in this range, now whatever you are thinking is appropriate.

 

[lomiller1]

And what may I ask are these "statistical facts" that say he's a #1D?

18th among NHL defensemen in Even Strength Goals Above Replacement, 32nd in "Pure" overall GAR which factors in special teams.

Weird a #1 or #2 Ds thats never had more then 3rd most ice-time on his team (D's) since he entered the league.

Trouba has the 35th highest min per game in the NHL over the last 3 years.

 

[Heldig]

For those referencing the Turris fiasco...I think that is exactly why the Jets hold their ground. Turris was projected as a future #1 C. Dont think anyone would say they got value for him. And Trouba is much more proven than Turris was.

The Jets are trading a 22 year old top pairing RHD with lots of upside and several years to UFA. It will take a premium asset to trade for him.

 

[HockeyHead21]

For those referencing the Turris fiasco...I think that is exactly why the Jets hold their ground. Turris was projected as a future #1 C. Dont think anyone would say they got value for him. And Trouba is much more proven than Turris was.

The Jets are trading a 22 year old top pairing RHD with lots of upside and several years to UFA. It will take a premium asset to trade for him.

LHD*

 

[Gump Hasek]

Maatta spelt right once out of twice great job.

No Maatta last 3 games has played well.
The start of the season he played pretty bad

His pivoting is pretty ****** needs to make good reads again.

Trouba > Maatta.

But Maatta is signed.
I don't really wanna trade him though what will I do with his Jersey then

Sorry for the poor spelling. Am busy doing something else at the same time and made a spelling error. Oop. As stated, his skating makes me leery; your opinion differs somewhat, great. I don't care. Pass.