Most Jets fans and ownership understand this is a development season. They are playing four rookies and three or four sophomores. Their number two C is out for two months. They are not going to be pressured into dealing a cornerstone piece like Trouba for a low value return.
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Most Jets fans and ownership understand this is a development season. They are playing four rookies and three or four sophomores. Their number two C is out for two months. They are not going to be pressured into dealing a cornerstone piece like Trouba for a low value return.
So playoffs are not in the cards at all and everyone is okay with it. Then Trouba has no leverage at all. No veteran type player will want to go to that then either if they want to win. So pretty much nothing will happen this year, unless Trouba buckles.
Took a lesser deal because DM waited too long to trade him. Turris was forced to sign and then mailed it in for a few games before he was traded. Had DM waited any longer the return would have been worse with a benched Turris or more poor play. His mistake was not trading him in the summer when he knew he wanted out of AZ.
Hmmm...a different tune was being hummed all summer long. How quickly this mindset has changed.
lomiller1
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He's a low end #1, or at worst towards the top end of #2 defensemen. Inferior D men were traded in the last year for Ryan Johansen and Taylor Hall. If you think J.T. Miller will get the job done then I suspect if J.T. Miller is ever traded you will be disappointed in the return.
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So what's the point of rushing to trade him for a crappy deal? A crappy deal now or crappy later after he signs and "mails it in" is crappy no matter how you slice it.
No two situations are identical so bringing up the Turris situation and claiming that's how this will play out too just because is an easy cop out.
I want a resolution to this as much as the next guy, but I am prepared to let him sit for the season. I mean why sign him now? According to experts on here, because Turris mailed it in after signing, Trouba probably will do the same which will only lower his value.
Wait until the draft and broaden the suitors for his services when teams will have cap space and be more willing for an organization shake up after missing or being eliminated from the playoffs earlier than expected.
No two situations are identical so bringing up the Turris situation and claiming that's how this will play out too just because is an easy cop out.
I want a resolution to this as much as the next guy, but I am prepared to let him sit for the season. I mean why sign him now? According to experts on here, because Turris mailed it in after signing, Trouba probably will do the same which will only lower his value.
Wait until the draft and broaden the suitors for his services when teams will have cap space and be more willing for an organization shake up after missing or being eliminated from the playoffs earlier than expected.
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Doubtful. They are a very young team and knew they would take some lumps early in the season. The young forwards are showing enough that most fans would not be on board with pushing them out the door and the only thing they could clearly benefit from is exactly what they are already asking for.
TBH the bigger problem for the organization is that there is a fairly significant portion of the fanbase that would like to just make him sit until he qualifies for UFA 5 years from now. That isn't going to happen, he's going to end up signing here and maybe get traded down the road when the team gets what it's looking for. When this happens the fans who would prefer to make him sit are going to be noisy and cause a lot of friction.
untouchable21
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Everyone has reason for optimism in the summer. Reality of it is that no matter how exciting the potential of this team, they are still VERY young and need to learn to win.
No fan base is different. Every off season brings optimism or the end of the world only for the reality of it to play itself out as the season progresses.
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Not necessarily. Their game is in transition from the physical style they had been playing, but things do look to be coming around. Once things gel they will be a team on the playoff bubble and could certainly get in if their goal tending is where they hope.
Pretty much
Because his value will be less if he sits out for a year. You will have more buyers at the draft but the offers will be less by next summer. Nobody will pay up for a guy that sits out a year or plays in Europe. There is just too much risk. Trouba is not an OEL/DD/EK/PK level player, he is still developing, there is still risk. If there was not risk, the Jets would make him their 1RHD now and would not risk losing him.
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I start to lean toward what seems to be the Jet fans standpoint; management doesn't care if he soars out this season. Question; will he be one year closer to UFA if he sits out this season? If so, that should have negative effect on his value.
I think its wrong to talk about fanbases, you only notice the loudest handful or so. But yeah, from that perspective they are different. 12 years at this place, this thread is the worst I've seen by far. The disrespect for anyone trying to discuss anything is down right extreme. That fan bases are really biased and overrates their own farms etc to the extreme is common of course, sure, but if you go to like a thread with fans from TML offering a package of Kadri plus for the super star of the other teams (haha no offense), you don't see 150 posters go for the throats of someone not buying into it. But here, if you don't buy into the illusion that Winnipeg has no need for additional forwards (did I get it right?
), has a farm that easily will transform the team into a surefire contender and that all players on all other teams in the league suck, then take cover... Thank god for the ignore button.
Anyway, the coming week or weeks result for Winnipeg can have a impact on the Trouba situation. The West is weak this year and it wouldn't take much to get into the POs. But if they don't get any wins the season could be over in a hurry. Will Winnipeg go in tank mode instantly, or still look to get a player/players?
In these type of situations, the most common result is always that nothing happens. Trouba stays in Winnipeg and they live happily ever after. It never seem like it lol, but then it works out like that. Drouin in Tampa is a good example and we have seen many of them over the years. Before you know it Winnipeg is signing Trouba and trading Myers/Buff, Myers/Buff, converted to LD, or whatever.
But if a trade would happen, I think the likely timing for it since the start of the summer has been and still is late in November.
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He is not getting closer to UFA by sitting out.
If he plays he becomes UFA with 26 because he has 7 seasons then, if he sits he becomes UFA with 27 because of age.
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No, Don Maloney's mistake was trading a top 45 center for what amounted to absolutely nothing. If he didn't get the proper value for Turris he should have kept him.
There clearly is not. Unless you consider statistical facts to be biased?
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Many of us weren't expecting playoffs, especially with 4+ rookies in the line up.
Christ, Maurice even came out and said it.
This should be entertaining.
And what may I ask are these "statistical facts" that say he's a #1D? Do we even dare question how a team with 3 #1Ds managed to miss the playoffs last year?
The Jets have one 1D (Byfuglien), that's it.This should be entertaining.
And what may I ask are these "statistical facts" that say he's a #1D? Do we even dare question how a team with 3 #1Ds managed to miss the playoffs last year?
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This should be entertaining.
And what may I ask are these "statistical facts" that say he's a #1D? Do we even dare question how a team with 3 #1Ds managed to miss the playoffs last year?
Every single advanced statistic has him as a 1 or 2 Dman and that's been the case since his 20 year old season
Can you provide some statistics that indicate he's not a top pairing quality defender? This should be entertaining.
Every single advanced statistic has him as a 1 or 2 Dman and that's been the case since his 20 year old season
Can you provide some statistics that indicate he's not a top pairing quality defender? This should be entertaining.
Advanced stats are majorly flawed. I wouldn't use them as a be all. I actually put very little into them since they don't provide context and can easily be manipulated.
Every single advanced statistic has him as a 1 or 2 Dman and that's been the case since his 20 year old season
Can you provide some statistics that indicate he's not a top pairing quality defender? This should be entertaining.
You make a strong argument JetsHomer
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