Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VI

[Willy Stylez]

Every single advanced statistic has him as a 1 or 2 Dman and that's been the case since his 20 year old season

Can you provide some statistics that indicate he's not a top pairing quality defender? This should be entertaining.

Weird a #1 or #2 Ds thats never had more then 3rd most ice-time on his team (D's) since he entered the league.

 

[tempest2i]

He's a low end #1, or at worst towards the top end of #2 defensemen. Inferior D men were traded in the last year for Ryan Johansen and Taylor Hall. If you think J.T. Miller will get the job done then I suspect if J.T. Miller is ever traded you will be disappointed in the return.

In neither of the aforementioned trades was the Dman unsigned, publicly demanding a trade and telling potential trade partners he will only sign with a select sub-set of teams. If you think the Jets are going to get a player of Ryan Johansen or Taylor Hall's quality when they trade Trouba, I suspect you're going to be awfully disappointed.

 

[ottawah]

Took a lesser deal because DM waited too long to trade him. Turris was forced to sign and then mailed it in for a few games before he was traded. Had DM waited any longer the return would have been worse with a benched Turris or more poor play. His mistake was not trading him in the summer when he knew he wanted out of AZ.

He could have, but then he would have signalled everyone he was quite willing to cave when push comes to shove.

If Trouba ends up not playing in the NHL this year, that has an impact a few years from now with the other players, they know exactly what the Jets will do.

Big picture vs small.

 

[SCP Guy]

He could have, but then he would have signalled everyone he was quite willing to cave when push comes to shove.

If Trouba ends up not playing in the NHL this year, that has an impact a few years from now with the other players, they know exactly what the Jets will do.

Big picture vs small.

Yes I think it is better for the Jets long term to force Trouba to sit out a year... The only downside will be the 10% less return they will get for him next year after he skates around in Europe for a season then dealing him now.... But the optics to future RFAs FARRRRR outweighs the decrease in return....imho

I may be in the minority of jet fans and it goes against what Chevy has said.... But I would deal him next year at draft for a LHD prospect and a 1st .....

 

[Paradise*]

Yes I think it is better for the Jets long term to force Trouba to sit out a year... The only downside will be the 10% less return they will get for him next year after he skates around in Europe for a season then dealing him now.... But the optics to future RFAs FARRRRR outweighs the decrease in return....imho

I may be in the minority of jet fans and it goes against what Chevy has said.... But I would deal him next year at draft for a LHD prospect and a 1st .....

I'd want him dealt before the draft. Why waste a expansion slot on him? I'd rather go 7/3/1 than the 4/4/1 Trouba route. If he's not traded before the expansion draft, then it's a fail IMO.

 

[JetsHomer]

Weird a #1 or #2 Ds thats never had more then 3rd most ice-time on his team (D's) since he entered the league.

Lesser Dman than Trouba played more than him on the PP, Trouba played much 5v5 and short handed than Myers did. Trouba also did much better in the minutes he played than Myers, all with a FAR worse partner.

Advanced stats are majorly flawed. I wouldn't use them as a be all. I actually put very little into them since they don't provide context and cman easily be manipulated.

How about advanced stats and having watched him play in 200+ games?

 

[Stream*]

Weird a #1 or #2 Ds thats never had more then 3rd most ice-time on his team (D's) since he entered the league.

Since coming into the league, his average TOI per game is 35th overall for all defensemen in the entire NHL. Thirty teams, that makes 60 dmen that are getting first pairing minutes, and he is right in the middle of that pack. What would that make him? Now that is the thing that is weird.

 

[SCP Guy]

I'd want him dealt before the draft. Why waste a expansion slot on him? I'd rather go 7/3/1 than the 4/4/1 Trouba route. If he's not traded before the expansion draft, then it's a fail IMO.

Yes good point.... One of the main reasons to settle for LHD prospect and 1st is the ability to go 7F3D1G

Zero reason to trade him now for most of the offers being thrown around....even with Trouba in the lineup this season is a development year

 

[smack66]

Unlikely. There is nothing out there that does anything for the Jets in the time frame they are interested in.

this standoff is getting more interesting by the day. If I'm a Jets fan I get the anger of not wanting to cave to Trouba. As a Bruins fan I'm still resentful towards Dougie Hamilton but I'm also glad he was moved before it became a distraction.

The question I would love to know is what is Chevy's plan B if Trouba decides he is serious and willing to sit out? Clearly he can't afford to have this quality asset just sit and rot ( even though I'm sure on a personal level it feels good ). If he can't get his asking price by end of November then what? Wait until next year and then play the same dance hoping Trouba caves and agrees to play for the Jets?

In my opinion there is little chance Chevy wants him back as he knows it could have a negative impact in the dressing room and therefore will wait until as close as possible to Dec 1 and extract the best deal possible. No way, this goes past Dec 1.

 

[Stream*]

In neither of the aforementioned trades was the Dman unsigned, publicly demanding a trade and telling potential trade partners he will only sign with a select sub-set of teams. If you think the Jets are going to get a player of Ryan Johansen or Taylor Hall's quality when they trade Trouba, I suspect you're going to be awfully disappointed.

So why would him being unsigned be such a negative to any team looking to aquire him? He is a RFA and being one allows him to speak to any and every team about his contact expectations. Every team knows if he is interested in joining their team, what kind of money he is looking for and what kind of term he is expecting. There is no guessing and no inheriting a contract that is signed by another team under that team (the jets) conditions. If he wants to join a team bad enough he has the ability to give them a huge discount if he wants. If the Jets sign him to an above average contract to keep him (5.5 -5.75) Then that team has to take on that salary and has no say in terms. That makes him worth more and why your theory falls apart.

 

[Paradise*]

Lesser Dman than Trouba played more than him on the PP, Trouba played much 5v5 and short handed than Myers did. Trouba also did much better in the minutes he played than Myers, all with a FAR worse partner.



How about advanced stats and having watched him play in 200+ games?

I respect the 200+ games watched. Weather forecasts, traffic reports , advanced stats...blah!

Trouba has been successful on the top pair (with Buff). I just don't see a 1D. In my views I see a 2D/3D currently.

 

[Snowman]

So the people who you're sure agree with you are the people who's opinions on this we can't possibly gauge? What a fantastic coincidence for you.

Also must be a coincidence that so many RFAs have held out but no GM in the last 15 years has had a player sit out for a year.

I'm still waiting for you to provide proof that a players' value actually drops. The last time you were asked for evidence your basic reply was "because I said so, there is no real proof".

As others have mentioned the only real situation we have had like this was Peca and his value didn't suffer at all. Try again when you have more than "I want it to be this way, so it is"

 

[5cotland]

Quick Question:


If Trouba doesn't sign with Jets and he is not traded before Dec 1, I understand he will not play the rest of the season but after the season is over does he become a UFA?

 

[Snowman]

I'm not so sure,.. and this is rather subjective, no? Don't get me wrong, if a guy like McDavid sits out for a year his value isn't going to decrease significantly, if at all. But Trouba isn't a McDavid level talent.

I would think, think being the key word here, that majority of the NHL GM's would likely say Trouba's value drops if he sits a year. How much is unknown and entirely up for debate, but it's definitely not going to rise and likely won't stay flat. I didn't follow Turris before he was traded to the sens, but how do you feel he was perceived across the league by the GM's when he sat out and refused to play for the Coyotes?

What is the biggest position of need in the NHL other than a #1 center... RHD. Trouba is a young, top end, RHD. They don't grow on trees, that will really help keep his value high.

 

[North]

Quick Question:


If Trouba doesn't sign with Jets and he is not traded before Dec 1, I understand he will not play the rest of the season but after the season is over does he become a UFA?

No. He'd still owe 4 RFA years to the team.

Sitting out does him no benefit.

 

[Shady Machine]

I'm sure this has been offered up before, so apologies if it's been here a million times, but how do Jets fans feel about Olli Maatta as the main piece in a Trouba trade?

Both players the same age, both had tons of early success with high upside, followed by some struggles. Maatta is signed long term at just over 4MM and is a left shot LD. Seems like a good fit and value seems reasonably fair.

I am not sold on moving Maatta as a Pens fan, but have always liked Trouba and think he might be a better long term fit for the Pens up tempo system where great skating D are almost a must.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

If you guys won't accept a deal for Trouba, fine don't deal him then. The only team it hurts is the Jets.

have fun participating in another draft lottery

 

[jetsjetsjets]

If you guys won't accept a deal for Trouba, fine don't deal him then. The only team it hurts is the Jets.

have fun participating in another draft lottery

Thank you!

 

[Gump Hasek]

If you guys won't accept a deal for Trouba, fine don't deal him then. The only team it hurts is the Jets.

have fun participating in another draft lottery

Thanks. If missing one player from what is already a very young lineup causes them to finish near the bottom of the standings, then the lottery is where they belong.

That might even result in the Jets garnering the current #1 consensus pick, Nolan Patrick - a player born and raised in Winnipeg and stems from a very famous family here.

Thanks again for your concern.

 

[Paradise*]

If you guys won't accept a deal for Trouba, fine don't deal him then. The only team it hurts is the Jets.

have fun participating in another draft lottery

What is this?

 

[SCP Guy]

If you guys won't accept a deal for Trouba, fine don't deal him then. The only team it hurts is the Jets.

have fun participating in another draft lottery

Will do thanks for the well wishes.....

 

[Gardner McKay]

If you guys won't accept a deal for Trouba, fine don't deal him then. The only team it hurts is the Jets.

have fun participating in another draft lottery

This is such a terrible attitude to have. Put yourself in Winnipegs shoes. If the same thing was happening with McDonagh, tell me you wouldn't have the same thought process as some Winnipeg fans in this thread?

 

[Shady Machine]

Why do 5 people respond to obvious troll posts instead of addressing my legitimate question?

 

[Lurch]

I would be much more sympathetic for the jets plight if a fair 2 year bridge offer were on the table. This would allow the Jets to have an asset signed and helping the team now while allowing them to shop for a trade that suits their needs. This way both parties can operate in good faith.

From reports I have read, it seems like the Jets are only offering long term into his UFA year to which they have no right. Jets fans are barking that JT sitting out in circumventing the CBA, well what are the Jets doing only offering a contract into his UFA years? My thoughts are that if a team is afraid of arbitration; they are not treating their players correctly. Give him a fair bridge, treat him right so that he may want to sign long term with your team. Otherwise, he gets another bridge until he hits UFA. It looks like a win/win to me.

 

[Dijock94]

This is such a terrible attitude to have. Put yourself in Winnipegs shoes. If the same thing was happening with McDonagh, tell me you wouldn't have the same thought process as some Winnipeg fans in this thread?

I'm a Rangers fan, and if I was being honest I would want a haul for McDonagh. It is a little different though because McDonagh is our clear 1D probably the best player on the entire team. It's not the same situation because I think McDonagh is better and more important to our team than Trouba is to the Jets. But I would want a nice package for him.