Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VI

[cneely]

Counter Point: Maybe if your GM moving like molasses has kept your franchise where it is at. Telling your fans that the future is bright, but this is a development year, AGAIN. And also, if your franchise was maybe a little more accommodating to its players and their requests, players wouldn't be so hesitant to commit to the team long term.

LOL

You realize that there are teams (Edmonton, Toronto, Florida, Columbus, etc... I'm looking at you) who have not really moved much over the past 5 years. Florida and Edmonton seem to be doing so now after many years of mediocrity.

The Jets are quite accommodating to players. Scheifele, Buff, Perreault all had no issue signing deals. Are you suggesting that because Chevy didn't jump and trade Trouba immediately for the first offer that he wasn't accommodating to his players? What about the other 20 bodies in the room who want to win? Does he not owe a duty to accommodate them by getting the best return?

 

[jay from jersey]

yea

If I'm selling my house for 500k but the best offer I get is 350k then my house isn't really worth 500k. Things are worth what people are willing to pay for them. Or you don't sell your asset.

but your forgetting that the 500k house, you can 't live in. (trouba won't play for jets) it's not a good analogy

 

[ffh]

Counter Point: Maybe if your GM moving like molasses has kept your franchise where it is at. Telling your fans that the future is bright, but this is a development year, AGAIN. And also, if your franchise was maybe a little more accommodating to its players and their requests, players wouldn't be so hesitant to commit to the team long term.

as a jet fan I agree with this. except the last sentence players have no problem committing here long term as a matter of fact you would be hard pressed to find one that hasn't. frolic is the only one.

 

[cneely]

but your forgetting that the 500k house, you can 't live in. (trouba won't play for jets) it's not a good analogy

But if you believe the market value is $500k and you just have to be patient and find the right buyer, do you jump and sell it for $350k, or do you wait a bit and see if that right buyer comes along?

 

[allan5oh]

And just to prove the jets fans point that we need lhd they just called up Julian "AHL lifer" Melchiori. Who you ask. Exactly.

 

[Dijock94]

But if you believe the market value is $500k and you just have to be patient and find the right buyer, do you jump and sell it for $350k, or do you wait a bit and see if that right buyer comes along?

The point was that an assets value is dictated by what people are willing to pay for it, no matter what you think it's worth.

 

[cneely]

The point was that an assets value is dictated by what people are willing to pay for it, no matter what you think it's worth.

Mostly true, however, an asset may be worth more to you then it is on the market. In that case, you don't sell.

 

[Dijock94]

Mostly true, however, an asset may be worth more to you then it is on the market. In that case, you don't sell.

Exactly

 

[jay from jersey]

yea

this is a really good offer for trouba but i'm not sure gorton offers it. I would, and i understand you have to give to get. it fixes NYR's RD problem for the next 6 or so years. Jets fans may not know a lot about either player so i hope this helps. Miller is 23yrs old, he is signed for under 3million the next 2 years,has improved every year, plays all 3 FWD positions well, he is physical, and plays a strong 2-way game. IMO he tops out at a first or 2nd line winger that can score 30 goals and add 55-60 pts. So far this year he has 9pts in 9 games. Lundqvist has stated many times that miller possesses the best shot on the team. Coming from a top 3 goalie in the league I do not take that lightly and I can see why many fans are hesitant to deal him. Skjei is a major piece. I see many comparibles to him and McDonaugh coming up. Both were first Rd choices, both elite skaters, both questions about what their offensive production would be. skjei has a first RD background, (same draft as trouba, month younger) was excellent when being called up last years playoffs against the penguines. Has 3 pts this year so far. He will be a top4 d-man in this league for a very very long time. he is also exempt from expansion which is huge. IMO he would have been a starter last year but LD on the rangers was McD,Staal,and Yandle. where was the kid going to play? we were going for the cup, why start the rookie??? I can see why many NYR fans and Gorton would not want to give up that package at this time but it is fair for a talent like trouba. The move also allows the jets to protect 7-3-1 instead of 4-4-1 which allows them to protect and keep miller and retain 2 of Armia, Copp, Dano, Petan? far better asset management then losing one of those guys and having to protect trouba, an asset that will never play for you again. I think by the end of the year, if this trade is made skjei passes enstrom for playing time. that's not a sleight on enstrom, but NYR fans know what skjei is capable of. jets LD would be set for next 6-7 years in Morrisey,Skjei, entrom ( stanley in the wings) and miller would be a fixture on their top 2 lines or turned into a keith premieu(sp) style shut down offensive center. Not a bad haul at all. They key for NYR is if they think Graves is ready and could make skjei available for a trade, If not, they might not pull the trigger. Similar to the duclair buchnevich situation with phoneix 2 years ago. Both excellent players but duclair was traded to upgrade another position.. This could have the makings of a great trade for both teams but there are a lot of question marks for both.. Can the jets get a better package? Does NYR go after Vatanen, Shattenkirk, Hamilton Instead??? STAY TUNED gonna get interesting this month

The jets goal is to build a winner.. They are off to a great start.. They have Their superstar in Laine, They have great supporting cast players in wheeler,schiefle,conner,etc Buff is a #1 D. they have good goaltending depth in Helley,comrie etc.. It may not be ideal trading trouba for Skjei who may never be thr player trouba is. but when they get Miller with him, it fills 2 voids in their line up that they don't have to worry about for years. There is not a team in the league who wouldn't want to add miller and skjei. the major question is will skjei be a 20 -25 pt guy or a 40-45 pt guy??? you never know that is really the only question mark to his game. He could wind up passing morissey and the rangers could wind up looking like fools. but it is a chance I think both teams might take

 

[ffh]

And just to prove the jets fans point that we need lhd they just called up Julian "AHL lifer" Melchiori. Who you ask. Exactly.

that's 24 year old ahl lifer melchiori for those of you with no programs

 

[allan5oh]

that's 24 year old ahl lifer melchiori for those of you with no programs

He's already cleared waivers 2 or 3 times for those of you with no programs.

 

[haveandare]

LOL

You realize that there are teams (Edmonton, Toronto, Florida, Columbus, etc... I'm looking at you) who have not really moved much over the past 5 years. Florida and Edmonton seem to be doing so now after many years of mediocrity.

The Jets are quite accommodating to players. Scheifele, Buff, Perreault all had no issue signing deals. Are you suggesting that because Chevy didn't jump and trade Trouba immediately for the first offer that he wasn't accommodating to his players? What about the other 20 bodies in the room who want to win? Does he not owe a duty to accommodate them by getting the best return?

Other teams haven't moved a lot so it's not bad that WPG hasn't either?

Edmonton got a generational talent, maybe the only one since Crosby and OV. Florida has been pretty active in trades and singings to get to where they can now turn the corner.

 

[cneely]

Other teams haven't moved a lot so it's not bad that WPG hasn't either?

Winnipeg has moved a lot. My point is that in the 5 years the Jets have been in Winnipeg they have made great strides. Far better than other teams have done over that time period.

Edmonton got a generational talent, maybe the only one since Crosby and OV. Florida has been pretty active in trades and singings to get to where they can now turn the corner.

Florida is a pretty attractive destination, no?

 

[nyr__1994]

LOL

You realize that there are teams (Edmonton, Toronto, Florida, Columbus, etc... I'm looking at you) who have not really moved much over the past 5 years. Florida and Edmonton seem to be doing so now after many years of mediocrity.

The Jets are quite accommodating to players. Scheifele, Buff, Perreault all had no issue signing deals. Are you suggesting that because Chevy didn't jump and trade Trouba immediately for the first offer that he wasn't accommodating to his players? What about the other 20 bodies in the room who want to win? Does he not owe a duty to accommodate them by getting the best return?

Do you realize the irony of this statement? You honestly thing Chevy is doing what is best for the 20 guys in that locker room by letting one of their best players sit out and asking for what all accounts is an unreasonable return?

Who knows, maybe the best offer right now is for spare parts and pennies on the dollar, if that is the case then he is right to let him sit. However, if there is an offer for 80-90 cents, that helps the Jets roster this year and in the next year or two then he is absolutely NOT helping the 20 guys in that locker room.

 

[cneely]

Do you realize the irony of this statement? You honestly thing Chevy is doing what is best for the 20 guys in that locker room by letting one of their best players sit out and asking for what all accounts is an unreasonable return?

By who's account? Do you know for sure what he's asking for? Do you know what has actually been offered?

Who knows, maybe the best offer right now is for spare parts and pennies on the dollar, if that is the case then he is right to let him sit. However, if there is an offer for 80-90 cents, that helps the Jets roster this year and in the next year or two then he is absolutely NOT helping the 20 guys in that locker room.

He absolutely is if he can wait another week and get the full dollar.

 

[Coach Parker]

While the initial rumor was the Chevy wanted a roster D player for Trouba, I think the expansion draft requires the Jet's to choose an expansion protected player, as otherwise they'd likely be losing the new player, as they already have to protect Enstrom, Byfuglien, and Myers.

Very solid point. All of the sudden bringing in a top blue chip prospect like Zboril (LHD) as a part of a package makes sense moving forward. Kid is draft exempt then can make the team next year on the LHD position.

 

[haveandare]

Winnipeg has moved a lot. My point is that in the 5 years the Jets have been in Winnipeg they have made great strides. Far better than other teams have done over that time period.


Florida is a pretty attractive destination, no?

They were 25th last year. That's not a lot of movement. The Jets have made great strides in the farm like many/most teams that have been in the basement for a while.

Florida is an attractive destination. Winnipeg is not as attractive and is made even less attractive if/when players who don't want to be there end up being forced to stay and miss entire seasons.

 

[aj8000]

Except unlike whiskey he's a human being who is going to be relied on to play a very difficult game at the highest level imaginable, and his skills (which determine his value) will diminish over time.

If you think a young player missing an entire year of NHL hockey makes him more valuable, you're living in an absolute fantasy.

Your guess is as good as mine whether his trade value will go up or down.

You speculate that it will drop, I speculate that it will stay the same or increase. Either way, we have been down this road several times and the end result is he has not been traded. Wash and repeat

 

[Gump Hasek]

Florida is an attractive destination. Winnipeg is not as attractive and is made even less attractive if/when players who don't want to be there end up being forced to stay and miss entire seasons.

That is a silly comment. All players league-wide are essentially bound to the teams that draft them until they reach UFA status. They are free to ask to be traded but the club does not have to grant that request. If Trouba misses the entire season then that is his choice; the club is willing to compensate him fairly via a 6-year offer at $5.5 mln per year - per Dreger.

If they won't trade him after he attempted to torch his trade value by holding out, by refusing to sign, and by limiting the destinations to where he can be traded - that is all on him, not the market.

 

[aj8000]

They were 25th last year. That's not a lot of movement. The Jets have made great strides in the farm like many/most teams that have been in the basement for a while.

Florida is an attractive destination. Winnipeg is not as attractive and is made even less attractive if/when players who don't want to be there end up being forced to stay and miss entire seasons.

Again with the destination thing. Seriously, many players do not live here during the summer months which are very nice btw and during the season, they are on the road as much as they are in Winnipeg. the City has nothing to do with it. Not to mention the fact that Global warming is actually making the winters here significantly milder based on what I remember when I was younger. Twenty years ago we would have had a blizzard yesterday rather than the rain we did get. Players want to play where they have a chance to win the cup, the Jets are not there at the moment so it is tough to get UFAs to come here.

 

[Hunter368]

They were 25th last year. That's not a lot of movement. The Jets have made great strides in the farm like many/most teams that have been in the basement for a while.

Florida is an attractive destination. Winnipeg is not as attractive and is made even less attractive if/when players who don't want to be there end up being forced to stay and miss entire seasons.

Peg will never be a FA hot spot, mostly due to weather & city size. There of course exceptions, see Buff who didn't have to sign here. See Ladd, who wanted to stay but was traded. I have the ability career wise to move to any city I like in NA and provide a good living for my family. Personally I could never live in California or Florida just way to hot/humid for me. I would never live in Toronto or any very large city, hate the traffic mostly. I like smaller city living regardless of country, Peg is perfect size for me (750k or so).

But I understand some players desire to live in the larger cities or hot areas.....just not for me personally. But the Peg will never be a big FA location, no matter what what do. Winning year after year would help some. Thus why were a D&D team, b/c we will never sign the big FA players (which is generally a good thing).

 

[aj8000]

Other teams haven't moved a lot so it's not bad that WPG hasn't either?

Edmonton got a generational talent, maybe the only one since Crosby and OV. Florida has been pretty active in trades and singings to get to where they can now turn the corner.

Do not worry, Trouba will not be traded to the Rangers just out of principle

 

[Hunter368]

That is a silly comment. All players league-wide are essentially bound to the teams that draft them until they reach UFA status. They are free to ask to be traded but the club does not have to grant that request. If Trouba misses the entire season then that is his choice; the club is willing to compensate him fairly via a 6-year offer at $5.5 mln per year - per Dreger.

If they won't trade him after he attempted to torch his trade value by holding out, by refusing to sign, and by limiting the destinations to where he can be traded - that is all on him, not the market.

Agreed. In the end if Trouba tried to sabotage his value, and it fell low......we would be better off letting him rot to set an example. Any return that doesn't offer us a significant upgrade or value might not be worth accepting. Sitting out offers the Jets value as well, just not as much as Trouba's full value.

 

[brock0791]

Something like Sergachev who lines up contract wise with Jets window, Desharnais for Lowry to keep MTL under the cap and maybe a 2nd as a kicker from MTL?

 

[Coach Parker]

Just a little outside of the box thinking here but given the player and demands:

What if Chevy and Sweeney have a deal (or any team for that matter) in place but the hold-up is once again Trouba who is now asking too much on his next contract from said team?

Trouba:

1. I want out.
2. I want to go to the USA.
3. I want to go to Detroit for 4.5 milion / year for 6 years.
4. I'll go to New York for 4.75 million / year for 5 years.
5. I'll go to Boston for 5.0 million / year for 5 years.

He still has the power to choose how much and for how long he will sign and perhaps Chevy has indeed stuck a deal with a team but the team hasn't agreed on a contract with Trouba.