Proposal: Trouba Mega-Thread Part III

[KingDeathMetal]

Ok done

We throw in Lowry or Dano.
We get a mid round pick?

Since Jets winning the cup in 1-2 years. MCD is a good fit now.


Mc D Buff
Enstrom MYers
Morrissey Postma

Deal. No mid-round pick though, we're giving you our Captain in his prime on a sweetheart cap deal! Work with me here! The man is still a child himself!

You fax Bettman. My fax doesn't work.

 

[cobra427]

I think that there are two outcomes that will work for the Jets.

1) Get the best trade possible, which probably comes quite close to December 1. At that point, teams will have some pressure to pull the trigger on a trade so that they can have Trouba for the balance of this season. Also, Trouba will be most motivated to negotiate a suitable deal with a prospective new team, which will enhance his value.

2) Trouba rethinks his trade request and decides to play with the Jets. That's not exactly unprecedented (e.g. Drouin), though I think it is highly unlikely. At this point, the Jets are likely wanting to press the issue a bit to see if there is any scope for this.

Personally, I think the Jets trade Trouba sometime close to December 1 for the best deal possible. Chevy is fond of saying that the NHL is a "deadline driven" league. I think it might be part of a large multi-player deal, or multiple deals by the Jets. They will want to address their asset stack at forward to fill in some needs on defense (short and long term).

I wouldn't ignore the impact of Morrissey's development. He has been a stand-out in camp, and looks like he might be a viable option in the top-4. That combined with Enstrom looking better than he has in some time could solidify the Jets top-4, in which case they might look at a trade return that is more future-oriented, with perhaps a short-term solution on LHD.

I see your points but it seems like there have not been many major player trades the last week of November. If Chevy can't get the return he wants, then Trouba could sit for the year. That obviously hurts Trouba but the Jets have wasted a year with no Trouba and no assets. They would be in the same spot next summer with a less valuable Trouba. Singing Trouba is a dead end in my opinion. Once a player gets to the point that he publicly wants out, it won't work to keep him. At 22, it will be very hard to ignore the chirping and pretend all is well, play hard, and play well under those circumstances.

While it is true that the NHL is deadline driven, that can backfire. The Coyotes waited too long to trade Bods right at the TDL last year. He slumped the month before it and their return was very poor. Trading him a few months earlier would have been better return wise. Trouba is more valuable than Bods but their is still a risk that Chevy overplays his hand by waiting too long.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

 

[gwh]

1) Get the best trade possible, which probably comes quite close to December 1.

The trade will only happen, if contender loses top4 RHD before that.

Every round of games:

- Trouba loses salary and yearly earnings.

- Jets get increased return value from escalating trade needs due to injuries.

Jets absolutely can't lose by sitting on his contract until dec1. They even save money.

 

[Gardner McKay]

The trade will only happen, if contender loses top4 RHD before that.

Every round of games:

- Trouba loses salary and yearly earnings.

- Jets get increased return value from escalating trade needs due to injuries.

Jets absolutely can't lose by sitting on his contract until dec1. They even save money.

Wut? The longer this goes on the less the Jets will get for Trouba. The Jets lose in every way possible if this goes past Dec 1st. A young player loses a crucial year of development.

 

[GaryinPrague]

Wut? The longer this goes on the less the Jets will get for Trouba. The Jets lose in every way possible if this goes past Dec 1st. A young player loses a crucial year of development.

How do you figure?

you're in contention to win the Stanley cup with your roster, right now everyone is healthy, In late November some good teams will be sucking, and some players will be injured, when is a good player more valuable?

If this goes past Dec 1, jets lose short term, long term, they gain an image

 

[larmex99]

Wut? The longer this goes on the less the Jets will get for Trouba. The Jets lose in every way possible if this goes past Dec 1st. A young player loses a crucial year of development.

That young player also loses an unrecoverable $5-$6,000,000. I doubt that whoever is pulling his strings will want to walk away from that kind of coin.

 

[nucksauce]

I agree teams need to start setting a precedent with these young entitled kids.

Play by the rules until your a UFA. Want to be traded express your feelings behind closed doors. In an everyday job you would either be heard or fired. Too many kids this year not playing pre-season without a contract. 20 somthing year old kids holding out for millions of dollars just screams future problems. It's a ridiculous thing because you have to PLAY to get paid.

Obviously there may be underlying issues we may not know ie. T. Rieder for example, we all assumed he didn't want to play for ARI (media played up the story too much) but in fact did, as he just signed a multi year deal with reasonable cap-hit. This could be the same story for all the unsigned RFA's doesn't help their case when they go public with it though (Trouba)

Just look at what happened in Tbay with Drouin last year. Yzerman and Co. didn't give Drouin any choice but to play in the AHL and give them no choice but to bring him up, and he did. I expect the same from Chevy, Trouba may not see the ice this year. It would suck for WPG to lose him but steps need to taken and a league-wide message needs to be sent to these kids in the NHL.

 

[Mr Positive]

The trade will only happen, if contender loses top4 RHD before that.

Every round of games:

- Trouba loses salary and yearly earnings.

- Jets get increased return value from escalating trade needs due to injuries.

Jets absolutely can't lose by sitting on his contract until dec1. They even save money.

I know the Jets will protect their asset above all, but it's worth noting that they will potentially lose where it counts the most: the standings. In the meat grinder of the Central Division, if you lose out on one of your best players with no replacement, it's like waving the white flag before the season even starts. In the long run it may be for the best, but I would have to think that the team would be eager to make the playoffs ASAP. The short term matters. I can say that the Oil fanbase would crucify anyone who suggested we should set our best playoff chances aside for the benefit of the future.

 

[Henchmen 21]

How do you figure?

you're in contention to win the Stanley cup with your roster, right now everyone is healthy, In late November some good teams will be sucking, and some players will be injured, when is a good player more valuable?

If this goes past Dec 1, jets lose short term, long term, they gain an image

I really am not sure if it's the right image to portray though, Some people are going to have personal hangups about living in certain places, I for one could never visit or live in Florida.
If a Free agent is offered the same money and term from Winnipeg and Edmonton, but knows that if he changes his mind later Winnipeg won't have his back and trade him upon request, that player is gonna sign in Edmonton. Winnipeg can take the high road, and say "I don't want to dance with her anyways then", but at the end of the day this situation is not helpful to their organization.
It's like the War of 1812, sure it forged the beginnings of Canadian national pride, and helped Set up our country for 150 years of War, but it was still a war fought between America and Canada, and that's never a good thing

 

[GoJetsGo55]

I really am not sure if it's the right image to portray though, Some people are going to have personal hangups about living in certain places, I for one could never visit or live in Florida.
If a Free agent is offered the same money and term from Winnipeg and Edmonton, but knows that if he changes his mind later Winnipeg won't have his back and trade him upon request, that player is gonna sign in Edmonton. Winnipeg can take the high road, and say "I don't want to dance with her anyways then", but at the end of the day this situation is not helpful to their organization.
It's like the War of 1812, sure it forged the beginnings of Canadian national pride, and helped Set up our country for 150 years of War, but it was still a war fought between America and Canada, and that's never a good thing

I don't think it's the UFA's that were're worried about image wise. It's for the talent we have coming up through the ranks. They get to see what happens if they want to play hardball coming off their ELC. I am glad they are making a stand when it counts.

 

[Henchmen 21]

I agree teams need to start setting a precedent with these young entitled kids.

Play by the rules until your a UFA. Want to be traded express your feelings behind closed doors. In an everyday job you would either be heard or fired. Too many kids this year not playing pre-season without a contract. 20 somthing year old kids holding out for millions of dollars just screams future problems. It's a ridiculous thing because you have to PLAY to get paid.

Obviously there may be underlying issues we may not know ie. T. Rieder for example, we all assumed he didn't want to play for ARI (media played up the story too much) but in fact did, as he just signed a multi year deal with reasonable cap-hit. This could be the same story for all the unsigned RFA's doesn't help their case when they go public with it though (Trouba)

Just look at what happened in Tbay with Drouin last year. Yzerman and Co. didn't give Drouin any choice but to play in the AHL and give them no choice but to bring him up, and he did. I expect the same from Chevy, Trouba may not see the ice this year. It would suck for WPG to lose him but steps need to taken and a league-wide message needs to be sent to these kids in the NHL.

So you get drafted and become an Indentured Servant? Trouba signed his Entry level deal, played through it and is now a Free agent, Yes Winnipeg has a right to protect it's young assets, but they do not own that young man in perpetuity.
If the Gm of the 49ers came down to Kaepernick and said, I own your contract, you must not kneel during the anthem, that would be grossly wrong.

Just because Trouba was drafted by Winnipeg, does not mean they can tell him when to sign and where to play, if he really wants out of Winnipeg for whatever reason they should honour that request. I mean come on, Trouba is a young RHD who Chevy knew he had to deal last May, how hard is his job to get that done? I get that Hall for Trouba would never have happened, but some sort of 3 way deal could absolutely have been set up, a draft day trade is always a possibility, but Chevy played hardball, did not honour his employees request of a transfer, and is now watching his training camp missing a key piece.

 

[Henchmen 21]

I don't think it's the UFA's that were're worried about image wise. It's for the talent we have coming up through the ranks. They get to see what happens if they want to play hardball coming off their ELC. I am glad they are making a stand when it counts.

But even then, a player who has a starting negative perception of playing in canada, gets drafted and plays his 7 or 8 years before becoming a Free agent and bolting, that's the situation you're kinda setting up with these negotiations. I don't want to get into a big debate over this, it's not something that can be proven out today, or in a year maybe in 10, But I do feel that this whole situation has further stigmitized players who dont want to live in Canada, from wanting to play in Winnipeg.

Player X is drafted by either edmonton or Winnipeg, he intends to play out his RFA eligibility and take it from there, at least thats his mindset heading out of the draft. If the team is Winnipeg, the player knows the history Chevy now has with Trouba, and is further reinforced to move on asap, whereas the player in edmonton may give the city more of a chance, safe in the knowledge that when players have historically asked out of Edmonton, they got out.

 

[hurricanedave]

The reality is that when either party holds out in negotiations both sides are negatively impacted. If Trouba refuses to sign this year and sits out he'll lose a full year's pay, even sitting to December 1st he stands to lose a significant amount of money. It would also be likely that sitting a year will hurt his potential earnings on his next contact.

As for the Jets, they lose out on having a very good player in their lineup, hurting their potential performance during the season. Given the leverage Trouba has not being under contract the Jets' trade options become limited to what teams he'll sign with, making face value an unlikely return.

The Jets don't have a record of short changing their players, I'd say their contracts are typically fair market value. I find it unlikely the Jets are offering him poor value contract wise and I also find it unlikely that they'll accept anything other than fair market value trade wise. When it comes down to it Jacob is the driver in how things will play out, he is one making the demands here. The problem for him is that the Jets don't have to meet those demands. You're allowed to be selfish during negotiations, that's expected, but you have to be careful not to overstep the boundaries.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

So you get drafted and become an Indentured Servant? Trouba signed his Entry level deal, played through it and is now a Free agent, Yes Winnipeg has a right to protect it's young assets, but they do not own that young man in perpetuity.
If the Gm of the 49ers came down to Kaepernick and said, I own your contract, you must not kneel during the anthem, that would be grossly wrong.

Just because Trouba was drafted by Winnipeg, does not mean they can tell him when to sign and where to play, if he really wants out of Winnipeg for whatever reason they should honour that request. I mean come on, Trouba is a young RHD who Chevy knew he had to deal last May, how hard is his job to get that done? I get that Hall for Trouba would never have happened, but some sort of 3 way deal could absolutely have been set up, a draft day trade is always a possibility, but Chevy played hardball, did not honour his employees request of a transfer, and is now watching his training camp missing a key piece.

Trouba is doing what he believes is best for Trouba.

Chevy is doing what he believes is best for the Jets.

If Trouba didn't want to play by the rules applied to him, he can bolt for the KHL.

No one is forcing Trouba to play in the NHL. He's choosing to play in the NHL.

By doing so, he's also choosing to play by the rules applied to him.

I can't just go to my boss and start demanding everything I want and then cry foul when I don't get it.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

But even then, a player who has a starting negative perception of playing in canada, gets drafted and plays his 7 or 8 years before becoming a Free agent and bolting, that's the situation you're kinda setting up with these negotiations. I don't want to get into a big debate over this, it's not something that can be proven out today, or in a year maybe in 10, But I do feel that this whole situation has further stigmitized players who dont want to live in Canada, from wanting to play in Winnipeg.

Player X is drafted by either edmonton or Winnipeg, he intends to play out his RFA eligibility and take it from there, at least thats his mindset heading out of the draft. If the team is Winnipeg, the player knows the history Chevy now has with Trouba, and is further reinforced to move on asap, whereas the player in edmonton may give the city more of a chance, safe in the knowledge that when players have historically asked out of Edmonton, they got out.

Why is there a starting negative perception?
How is not allowing yourself to be walked over negative?

The Jets have done NOTHING that can be considered out of line.
How does this entire situation paint Winnipeg in a negative light?

If the Jets instantly caved and traded Trouba for peanuts or gave him an insane contract, how would that work out better in the long run?

"EVERYONE! PLEASE LISTEN! WE ARE COMPLETE PUSHOVERS AND WILL CAVE TO ANY THREAT!!!"

Yeah....that's the message we want to send.

 

[buggs]

I know the Jets will protect their asset above all, but it's worth noting that they will potentially lose where it counts the most: the standings. In the meat grinder of the Central Division, if you lose out on one of your best players with no replacement, it's like waving the white flag before the season even starts. In the long run it may be for the best, but I would have to think that the team would be eager to make the playoffs ASAP. The short term matters. I can say that the Oil fanbase would crucify anyone who suggested we should set our best playoff chances aside for the benefit of the future.

Absolutely it hurts Winnipeg to have Trouba holding out, but what choice do they have?

1. take a bad trade in return, thereby caving to Trouba/agent/dad and setting a precedent?

2. set a different precedent by letting Trouba sit - tell the league and agents that it's not a team to screw with regardless of the outcome.

3. make a good trade when the time comes, for the Jets hopefully sooner rather than later. Wishful thinking perhaps so the first two options are the more likely.

The reality is that the management in Winnipeg (and other less desirable cities in the NHL) have to be careful about how they manage their players to a far greater degree than a New York Rangers or Los Angeles Kings. It's not a desirable city to play in based on perception which depending on the individual may or may not have anything to do with reality. But the Jets management has shown tremendous loyalty to many of their players, re-signing them to decent contracts (so far nothing entirely stupid but still good money - get back to me in a few years on Buff). They will take care of the people that want to play there, otherwise not so much. It's a good organization, unless dear old daddy has an app that needs junior to be in a "better" market.

Trouba not playing absolutely weakens the Jets for this year. It's a tremendous blow to the team to lose a highly rated draft pick that has shown to be at minimum a very useful if not high scoring defenseman. Tossing away that asset by giving in to demands of a player/agent isn't going to help the team in the long run though because it does set that precedent that the team's management can be held hostage on a whim. The CBA exists to mitigate the risks to all teams in the NHL when they draft a player by giving them player security for seven years. Overhardt and Trouba are trying to circumvent that and it's not new behavior for the agent. Hopefully the Jets have a solid season with their defense and Trouba sits for a year with no salary - that takes ballpark $5 million out of his pocket and whatever percentage (10? 20?) out of Overhardt's as well.

The behavior that is being exhibited is hurting hockey down the road when the next CBA comes due for negotiation. Teams will be looking to strengthen the CBA when it comes to RFA negotiation and we all know that means lockout yet again (not that it wouldn't happen otherwise) and to be honest I'd actually back the NHL on that basis rather than the players.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

The reality is that when either party holds out in negotiations both sides are negatively impacted. If Trouba refuses to sign this year and sits out he'll lose a full year's pay, even sitting to December 1st he stands to lose a significant amount of money. It would also be likely that sitting a year will hurt his potential earnings on his next contact.

As for the Jets, they lose out on having a very good player in their lineup, hurting their potential performance during the season. Given the leverage Trouba has not being under contract the Jets' trade options become limited to what teams he'll sign with, making face value an unlikely return.

The Jets don't have a record of short changing their players, I'd say their contracts are typically fair market value. I find it unlikely the Jets are offering him poor value contract wise and I also find it unlikely that they'll accept anything other than fair market value trade wise. When it comes down to it Jacob is the driver in how things will play out, he is one making the demands here. The problem for him is that the Jets don't have to meet those demands. You're allowed to be selfish during negotiations, that's expected, but you have to be careful not to overstep the boundaries.

Bingo! We arn't trying to cheap out on Trouba. His agent confirmed that they haven't even opened the door for the Jets to SUBMIT an offer. They are dug into the sand.

Look at the Scheifele contract. He was asked about it at the beginning of the WHC and he basically said "Yeah I talked to my agent about it and a few days later it was done."

All the comparables are there for a Trouba contract as well. This is 100% a case of a player plugging there ears and going "LA LA LA TRADE ME! LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU SO DON'T BOTHER TALKING!"

 

[Evil Little]

The trade will only happen, if contender loses top4 RHD before that.

Every round of games:

- Trouba loses salary and yearly earnings.

- Jets get increased return value from escalating trade needs due to injuries.

Jets absolutely can't lose by sitting on his contract until dec1. They even save money.

Which contender would have the cap space to add a ~$5m cap hit long-term?

I know the Jets will protect their asset above all, but it's worth noting that they will potentially lose where it counts the most: the standings. In the meat grinder of the Central Division, if you lose out on one of your best players with no replacement, it's like waving the white flag before the season even starts. In the long run it may be for the best, but I would have to think that the team would be eager to make the playoffs ASAP. The short term matters. I can say that the Oil fanbase would crucify anyone who suggested we should set our best playoff chances aside for the benefit of the future.

This season could go a couple of ways for the Jets, anyhow.

I actually think they're set up to try to win, but given how many 18-21-year old rookies are projected to be in the lineup the option is there to 'steer into' a losing streak. Just like last year.

So they have the luxury to see which way the wind is blowing before committing to a course with Trouba. If the first month is really bad, I hope he has a comfy chair.

So you get drafted and become an Indentured Servant? Trouba signed his Entry level deal, played through it and is now a Free agent, Yes Winnipeg has a right to protect it's young assets, but they do not own that young man in perpetuity.
If the Gm of the 49ers came down to Kaepernick and said, I own your contract, you must not kneel during the anthem, that would be grossly wrong.

Just because Trouba was drafted by Winnipeg, does not mean they can tell him when to sign and where to play, if he really wants out of Winnipeg for whatever reason they should honour that request. I mean come on, Trouba is a young RHD who Chevy knew he had to deal last May, how hard is his job to get that done? I get that Hall for Trouba would never have happened, but some sort of 3 way deal could absolutely have been set up, a draft day trade is always a possibility, but Chevy played hardball, did not honour his employees request of a transfer, and is now watching his training camp missing a key piece.

Trouba does have options if he doesn't want to play in Winnipeg.

Sign an offer sheet, or sit and hope.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

So you get drafted and become an Indentured Servant? Trouba signed his Entry level deal, played through it and is now a Free agent, Yes Winnipeg has a right to protect it's young assets, but they do not own that young man in perpetuity.
If the Gm of the 49ers came down to Kaepernick and said, I own your contract, you must not kneel during the anthem, that would be grossly wrong.

Just because Trouba was drafted by Winnipeg, does not mean they can tell him when to sign and where to play, if he really wants out of Winnipeg for whatever reason they should honour that request. I mean come on, Trouba is a young RHD who Chevy knew he had to deal last May, how hard is his job to get that done? I get that Hall for Trouba would never have happened, but some sort of 3 way deal could absolutely have been set up, a draft day trade is always a possibility, but Chevy played hardball, did not honour his employees request of a transfer, and is now watching his training camp missing a key piece.

I would just like to add that this entire piece here is golden.

Just make a trade.

It's easy.

What's the hold up?

Like you have ANY idea what goes on behind the scenes. This isn't NHL 17.

As for the "Chevy played hardball and did not honor the employees request."

Since you know this, you must obviously know the offers he received.

Give me your top 5 ranked from best to worst and we can go over which he should have accepted.

 

[Pongs21]

So you get drafted and become an Indentured Servant? Trouba signed his Entry level deal, played through it and is now a Free agent, Yes Winnipeg has a right to protect it's young assets, but they do not own that young man in perpetuity.
If the Gm of the 49ers came down to Kaepernick and said, I own your contract, you must not kneel during the anthem, that would be grossly wrong.

Just because Trouba was drafted by Winnipeg, does not mean they can tell him when to sign and where to play, if he really wants out of Winnipeg for whatever reason they should honour that request. I mean come on, Trouba is a young RHD who Chevy knew he had to deal last May, how hard is his job to get that done? I get that Hall for Trouba would never have happened, but some sort of 3 way deal could absolutely have been set up, a draft day trade is always a possibility, but Chevy played hardball, did not honour his employees request of a transfer, and is now watching his training camp missing a key piece.

You get drafted and then have the opportunity to make millions of dollars playing the game you love and live out a dream that so few ever get the chance to do. Just so happens that the team that drafts you own's your rights to play in the NHL. That doesn't make him a servant/slave. Trouba can stomp his feel and pout and demand a trade all he want's, but the reality of the situation is he is not a UFA and does not get to pick his destination or call the shots right now. He can say where he want's to play, but where he's going to play is either in Winnipeg once he realizes he's going to loose a bunch of money come crunch time, or wherever is offering up the best return that is acceptable to Chevy and the Winnipeg Jets.

 

[Henchmen 21]

Why is there a starting negative perception?
How is not allowing yourself to be walked over negative?

The Jets have done NOTHING that can be considered out of line.
How does this entire situation paint Winnipeg in a negative light?

If the Jets instantly caved and traded Trouba for peanuts or gave him an insane contract, how would that work out better in the long run?

"EVERYONE! PLEASE LISTEN! WE ARE COMPLETE PUSHOVERS AND WILL CAVE TO ANY THREAT!!!"

Yeah....that's the message we want to send.

Come on, I get that hockey is a different conversation, since Canada is basically the centre of all things hockey, but trouba is a young man from michigan who misses his Trix cereal, or Denny's or whatever else they have in the states that we just don't here in canada. Big things have been made over google search results over immigrate to canada, but the whole point of that conversation is "see, people are even considering fleeing to Canada to escape this nonsense, to CANADA, can you imagine?", as if Canada is worse or inferior, when it's just DIFFERENT.

The only time we get a spectacle out of a trade request is when it has not been honoured and the player is forced to make it public, by not reporting to camp or whatever. Trade requests happen ALL THE TIME, and the reason we don't hear about them is because they are honoured. Are edmonton weak because they traded Chris Pronger? No, they did what they had to and moved on.

And dude, Trouba is a 22 year old Right shot defenseman, already a top 4 guy with elite potential, and youre telling me there was no trade to be had, as if you know what's actually happening behind the scenes. Chevy had the opportunity to deal Trouba, in the time of the year when teams make the biggest changes to their team, and he came up empty, either his demands were too high, (you can thank peter chiarelli for that one), or he didn't work hard enough at it.

 

[Henchmen 21]

You get drafted and then have the opportunity to make millions of dollars playing the game you love and live out a dream that so few ever get the chance to do. Just so happens that the team that drafts you own's your rights to play in the NHL. That doesn't make him a servant/slave. Trouba can stomp his feel and pout and demand a trade all he want's, but the reality of the situation is he is not a UFA and does not get to pick his destination or call the shots right now. He can say where he want's to play, but where he's going to play is either in Winnipeg once he realizes he's going to loose a bunch of money come crunch time, or wherever is offering up the best return that is acceptable to Chevy and the Winnipeg Jets.

Name me One human being on this planet not under contract who can provide the same service and skill level that Trouba does at his position.
I'm sorry, do you want to go back to the old days where players were barely compensated and the owners took in 90% of the revenue?

Fact is the economy is real, there are billions of dollars, with a B, in hockey, and Trouba has the skill set that few others possess. Money is not the issue with this demand, that seems clearly evident, Jake wants out of Winnipeg for personal reasons, If he didn't he wouldn't have used his total lame duck excuse of "Iwant to play top 4 minutes RHD", he was playing top 4 minutes, predominately on the right side.

 

[Henchmen 21]

To double down, as a Leaf fan, I would be deeply troubled and incredibly disappointed if Matthews decided that he didnt want to sign his ELC, or in 3 years if he demands a trade out of Toronto, but i would understand that Hockey is not everything, and at least he's a valuable asset with years of control on his deal. I would move him, tell the media at the press conference that he requested the trade, and I accommodated him, and I would move on hopefully learning from the experience.
Like I said I would be deeply troubled if matthews requested out of toronto, but I would be even more worried if the way we found out was he refused to report to camp, and stated that he had requested a trade in May that hadn't been honoured.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

Come on, I get that hockey is a different conversation, since Canada is basically the centre of all things hockey, but trouba is a young man from michigan who misses his Trix cereal, or Denny's or whatever else they have in the states that we just don't here in canada. Big things have been made over google search results over immigrate to canada, but the whole point of that conversation is "see, people are even considering fleeing to Canada to escape this nonsense, to CANADA, can you imagine?", as if Canada is worse or inferior, when it's just DIFFERENT.

The only time we get a spectacle out of a trade request is when it has not been honoured and the player is forced to make it public, by not reporting to camp or whatever. Trade requests happen ALL THE TIME, and the reason we don't hear about them is because they are honoured. Are edmonton weak because they traded Chris Pronger? No, they did what they had to and moved on.

You have no idea how many trade requests have been made that haven't currently been honoured. Ask Evander Kane, he asked for 3 straight years before being traded, and it was never made public until the very end. Or how about Jon Drouin? We all know what happened there.

The Jets aren't weak if they trade Trouba, but they are under no obligation to trade him for a return that is not up to par. It is the Jets right to decide what is fair value for Jacob and if they decide they are not getting it, it is also their right to sit him on his ass until he is 27 years old. I have a feeling he would break before that and come back and play. Obviously you hope that this isn't the case. You hope we could trade him for a similar valued LHD, or something close to that. If you're not getting offered that however, they are just as well off trying to hold onto Jacob until he changes his mind, and he will change his mind eventually. Even if it is just to play well enough to accommodate a trade.

 

[Henchmen 21]

You have no idea how many trade requests have been made that haven't currently been honoured. Ask Evander Kane, he asked for 3 straight years before being traded, and it was never made public until the very end. Or how about Jon Drouin? We all know what happened there.

The Jets aren't weak if they trade Trouba, but they are under no obligation to trade him for a return that is not up to par. It is the Jets right to decide what is fair value for Jacob and if they decide they are not getting it, it is also their right to sit him on his ass until he is 27 years old. I have a feeling he would break before that and come back and play. Obviously you hope that this isn't the case. You hope we could trade him for a similar valued LHD, or something close to that. If you're not getting offered that however, they are just as well off trying to hold onto Jacob until he changes his mind, and he will change his mind eventually. Even if it is just to play well enough to accommodate a trade.

So your argument is that more trade request are not honoured than honoured? That's not a provable thing since like you said most trade requests don't become public, but that does not sound right at all, there are hundreds of players in the NHL, dozens of trades each year, did Subban ask for a trade out of Montreal? we don't know because he was traded before that question even came up, and now he's a pred and noone cares anymore.

And to answer your question, yes he should have accepted what you would call a "SUB par" offer for trouba, because this is not NHL 17, you can't just move trouba for rielly and call it a day