Proposal: Trouba Mega-Thread Part III

[Evil Little]

Unless he's worst as a LD than RD. Playing LD could hurt his value if he play way better as a RD, which would explain his stubbornness on playing RD.

EDIT: I.E. he could be a good top4 D on LD but be a top2 on RD. Playing LD in that case would hurt him a lot.

Jets fans have seen Byfuglien drag bottom-pairing/replacement level partners to excellent results to know that those concerns are unfounded.

It makes way more sense that he just doesn't want to be in Winnipeg.

I just realized Trouba and Turris have the same agent. Maybe Trouba will get his way after all.

Agent's the same, but I'd argue the respective ownership groups on the other side (or, uh, 'ownership situations') might mean that the resolve Overhardt's facing may not be comparable.

One team didn't have an owner, and one has an ownership group that is very-much invested in the ability of small-market teams to retain RFA talent whether they want to be there or not.

Yeah. I was told that about Atlanta as well. As a former season ticket holder I am still waiting for that franchise (Thrashers/Jets) to win a playoff game.

Not sure they're comparable. Did ASG illustrate their patience by spending a decade trying to get an NHL team? Was the building sold out for years at a time?

Everyone knows you need to be patient; few teams were as well-situated as the Jets to actually see it through.

We'll see but there's literally no pressure... yet.

Well, there wasn't until your ellipses...

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

People keep comparing this as if there has been a similar situation in the past 5 years.

Someone please tell me the last time an RFA as coveted as Trouba openly hit the trade market at his age or youner. We're in semi-uncharted territory here. His value will be dictated by demand.

I camt imagine their will be more than handful of teams(3 or 4 at most) who will meet all the requirements and have serious interest

 

[umwoz]

I camt imagine their will be more than handful of teams(3 or 4 at most) who will meet all the requirements and have serious interest

That's how I would imagine this works with a player of Trouba's pedigree.

All teams are interested, after they hear the price... probably about half those remain and make offers. Chevaldayoff then decides which ones are worth negotiating due to need, value, etc... Probably about 3 or 4 teams(like you said) and that the dialog continues with unless another offer comes along.

 

[93LEAFS]

People keep comparing this as if there has been a similar situation in the past 5 years.

Someone please tell me the last time an RFA as coveted as Trouba openly hit the trade market at his age or youner. We're in semi-uncharted territory here. His value will be dictated by demand.

Dougie Hamilton just last year. The thing was, Bruins were under slight threat of an offer-sheet (but its unclear if Hamilton would even risk that considering he wanted out). I'd say that is fairly comparable, the big difference is Bruins dealt with it quite quickly, and possibly sold too low.

 

[Oates2Neely]

People keep comparing this as if there has been a similar situation in the past 5 years.

Someone please tell me the last time an RFA as coveted as Trouba openly hit the trade market at his age or youner. We're in semi-uncharted territory here. His value will be dictated by demand.

Dougie Hamilton last offseason.......

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

That's how I would imagine this works with a player of Trouba's pedigree.

All teams are interested, after they hear the price... probably about half those remain and make offers. Chevaldayoff then decides which ones are worth negotiating due to need, value, etc... Probably about 3 or 4 teams(like you said) and that the dialog continues with unless another offer comes along.

i dont think all teams are actually interested for a variety of their own reasons

i dont think trouba would sign with all 29 other nhl clubs

i dont think all 29 other clubs can afford him today

i dont think all 29 other clubs want to "pay the price"

i would think only 3 or 4 teams at most even make offers to begin with(actual offers, not just salary dumps)

 

[Snowman]

Dougie Hamilton last offseason.......

The biggest difference being; Boston was vulnerable to an offer sheet and the Jets aren't.

 

[93LEAFS]

The biggest difference being; Boston was vulnerable to an offer sheet and the Jets aren't.

Boston could of used the 10% overage and figured it out. If Hamilton really wanted out, signing an offer sheet was a huge risk.

 

[cwede]

People keep comparing this as if there has been a similar situation in the past 5 years.
Someone please tell me the last time an RFA as coveted as Trouba openly hit the trade market at his age or youner. We're in semi-uncharted territory here. His value will be dictated by demand.

Dont recall their exact status but aslso there was O'Reilly and Turris.

Trouba also interesting case because he hasnt improved lots in his 3 years, year 1 maybe best of them.
If he were lefty, much less hubhub.

Also the endless chatter on the interweb raises the profille of these 'auctions'. Totally made Vesey a too common topic, now Trouba ..

But yeah someone will get him for a bundle along the lines of ~3 young pieces, a young top-4-ish L D, a B+ or greater prospect and a top 60 pick

 

[CREW99AW]

You dont know how to read, do you? I didnt say Winnnipeg were under time constraint, I said other teams would ideally like to make a trade before opening night.
And I never said the closer we get to the 12, the lesser his value becomes. I mean seriously?? Thats really stupid. What decreases his value is the trade request going public.

Winnipeg won't care what other teams would ideally like.


And the idea that Winnipeg has shopped Trouba since May/June and the rest of the nhl was aware he was on the market, yet now that fans have been made aware, somehow greatly reduces his trade value, is more wishful thinking on your part.

 

[CREW99AW]

Dougie Hamilton just last year. The thing was, Bruins were under slight threat of an offer-sheet (but its unclear if Hamilton would even risk that considering he wanted out). I'd say that is fairly comparable, the big difference is Bruins dealt with it quite quickly, and possibly sold too low.

Last yr I was in a discussion with a Bruin fan and posted a rumor I had read, that the Bruins had not shopped Hamilton all over the league before trading him.

The B's front office took less heat for this then I expected they would. If I can find the link, I'll post it.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Do a bit of research and compare the roster and prospect pool of the team in 2011 and now, 5 years later.

I'll give you a hint... the best prospect in 2011 was Patrice Cormier, and the second best was maybe a toss-up between Eric O'Dell and Paul Postma. "Bad" doesn't even begin to describe the organizational depth.

I know it's a bit difficult for some in the "major" markets to realize that it takes that amount of time to actually build a team through the draft (the oldest players drafted in 2011 are now just 23), but that's the way it works. Here's the current Jets line-up, with new players since 2011 in bold...

Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler
Laine-Little-Armia
Connor-Perreault-Stafford
Tanev-Lowry-Dano

Enstrom-Buff
Morrissey-MyersChiarot-Postma

Hellebuyck
Pavelec

11 of those players were drafted since 2011 (including prospects acquired in trades).

The Jets have what is commonly rated as a top 3-5 prospect pool, as they have for the past few years.

Your prospect pool has done a lot for the team in the last 5 years.

Look at what came to WPG from Atlanta.. Wheeler. Scheifele was drafted before Winnipegs first year. Little was already there. As was Postma, Enstrom, Buff.

Your top 3-5 prospect pool has accomplished nothing yet, the core of the team that got them to the playoffs only to win nothing was built before Cheveldayoff took over the team. I see no reason to give Cheveldayoff undue praise until they actually win something. Being a bad team year after year and getting top pick after top pick isn't hard to do.

As far as your "do research comment", I have been watching this team since they first came to Atlanta. I suffered through the days of Damien Rhodes and Norm Maracle in goal, letting up 6-8 goals a game.

Just because you don't like what I have to say doesn't mean I know nothing about the team as you suggest.

 

[BruinDust]

The biggest difference being; Boston was vulnerable to an offer sheet and the Jets aren't.

Well considering they dealt Lucic on the same day, if they hadn't moved Hamilton that very second they would of been no more or less vulnerable to an offer sheet than Winnipeg is right now with Trouba.

If Trouba truly wants out of Winnipeg, the last thing he is doing is signing an offer sheet unless it's a 1-year mega-offer (say 8 million +) so the Jets if match a year from now they have to qualify him at that number.

 

[93LEAFS]

Last yr I was in a discussion with a Bruin fan and posted a rumor I had read, that the Bruins had not shopped Hamilton all over the league before trading him.

The B's front office took less heat for this then I expected they would. If I can find the link, I'll post it.

There are a bunch of rumors on what really went on there. One being that they didn't want to trade him to Edmonton, and the other being Hamilton wanted somewhere that would accommodate his family (Guess where Freddie Hamilton ended up......).

 

[Legend123]

Winnipeg won't care what other teams would ideally like.


And the idea that Winnipeg has shopped Trouba since May/June and the rest of the nhl was aware he was on the market, yet now that fans have been made aware, somehow greatly reduces his trade value, is more wishful thinking on your part.

Wishful thinking for what exactly?? Ur so emotional its incredible.
Btw his trade request, to GMs or public, reduces his value. How many times i gotta say this for u to understand?

 

[Johnny HFBOARDS]

 

[Freaky Styley]

How about..

Trouba, Armia, Pavelec

For

Varlamov, Zadorov, Comeau

Probably the best the Avs can do realistically. Not sure if Jets would want Varly because of expansion but him and Hellebuyck would make a great tandem. I'm sure the Avs could throw in a sweetner that the Jets could flip to Vegas to prevent them from taking one of their goalies.

EDIT: Has to be Zadorov because bigras is exempt from expansion I believe. Would rather send Bigras and keep big Z though. Almost looks lopsided in the Jets favour strictly value-wise, but depends on their interest in Varly.

 

[CREW99AW]

There are a bunch of rumors on what really went on there. One being that they didn't want to trade him to Edmonton, and the other being Hamilton wanted somewhere that would accommodate his family (Guess where Freddie Hamilton ended up......).

http://www.hngn.com/articles/105491...reen-may-be-free-agent-target-for-sweeney.htm

 

[BigGoalBrad]

Almost is the key word here. Trouba has far more to lose than the Jets by sitting out for the year. He's an extremely valuable asset, but the team can go on without him. He can't continue his NHL career without the team. If nothing has happened by late November, he'll either sign at a discount to facilitate a trade to a team that otherwise couldn't fit him under the cap, or he'll sign a fair deal and play for the Jets until they can work out a deal (likely next off season).

If he wants huge money (although it's only speculated) and to dictate where he goes, he'll have to soften on at least one of those to make something happen. That's life.

He'll play in Europe with a deal that allows him to return to the NHL at anytime and become a Black Ace next year since you won't want to protect 4 D men. Or you lose a bunch of forwards to keep an unsigned player who sat out a year and has no desire to ever play for you again. Or he gets his trade.

Win-win for him.


The thread is a joke anyways with all the people turning their noses up at Fowler and Krug who are fair value as the top D coming back given the circumstances. They can get a decent young player with NHL experience and some prospects or a massive haul of prospects. Nothing wrong with that the Jets will be fine simply because he wasn't their most important D man or close to it. Someone will pay up a better offer than what we got for Dougie Hamilton.

 

[CREW99AW]

Wishful thinking for what exactly?? Ur so emotional its incredible.
Btw his trade request, to GMs or public, reduces his value. How many times i gotta say this for u to understand?

I am not emotional. Just pointing out how ridiculous I find some of your comments.

I am not a Jet fan. My team with RHD Boychuk( ntc), Hamonic and top prospect Pulock will not be in the mix for Trouba.

 

[Snowman]

Btw his trade request, to GMs or public, reduces his value.

Except it doesn't, not in the least. That is the part that is wishful thinking by the fans of other teams trying to get Trouba on the cheap.

Teams that believe they can get Trouba on the cheap will quickly find themselves out of the running to acquire him.

 

[BigGoalBrad]

There are a bunch of rumors on what really went on there. One being that they didn't want to trade him to Edmonton, and the other being Hamilton wanted somewhere that would accommodate his family (Guess where Freddie Hamilton ended up......).

Hamilton refused to sign for Carolina or Arizona who the return would have been better from.


Sweeney could/should have had the balls to let Edmonton have him and received high lottery picks. But letting the A hole you just fired have him as a reward for openly threatening an offer sheet was something they decided to pass on. Hey, the Bruins ****ed with Peter Chiarelli enough for him to make that stupid Griffen Reinhardt trade after we took the guys he wanted.


The return for Hamilton is fine because he isn't that good of a player. If he was a bonafide top guy and not just a big frame with mediocre D but good offense the Bruins grudgingly match any offer sheet and play hard ball and keep the kid.


Im honestly thrilled that the Bruins have no part in paying Reilly Smith or Dougie Hamilton the contracts they currently are on. Don't GAF if we lost either/both trades. Addition by subtraction with those 2 little *******.

 

[BruinDust]

Except it doesn't, not in the least. That is the part that is wishful thinking by the fans of other teams trying to get Trouba on the cheap.

Teams that believe they can get Trouba on the cheap will quickly find themselves out of the running to acquire him.

More like wishful thinking on the part of Jets fans to believe Trouba's trade value hasn't been hurt by his trade request.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect the Jets to move him on the cheap. Not even close.

But it's like Jets fans assume Trouba is willing to be traded to any of the 29 other teams just to get out of Winnipeg. When the likelyhood of Trouba having other teams he's not interested in playing for is pretty high.

 

[93LEAFS]

Hamilton refused to sign for Carolina or Arizona who the return would have been better from.


Sweeney could/should have had the balls to let Edmonton have him and received high lottery picks. But letting the A hole you just fired have him as a reward for openly threatening an offer sheet was something they decided to pass on. Hey, the Bruins ****ed with Peter Chiarelli enough for him to make that stupid Griffen Reinhardt trade after we took the guys he wanted.


The return for Hamilton is fine because he isn't that good of a player. If he was a bonafide top guy and not just a big frame with mediocre D but good offense the Bruins grudgingly match any offer sheet and play hard ball and keep the kid.


Im honestly thrilled that the Bruins have no part in paying Reilly Smith or Dougie Hamilton the contracts they currently are on. Don't GAF if we lost either/both trades. Addition by subtraction with those 2 little *******.

We really have to see how the Bruins draft turns out. They really made a statement picks which they will own. I don't want to turn this into a bash Boston thread, because we are a fair bit away from finding out how the players from the 2015 draft will turn out, but people would be talking a lot differently about that trade if they took Chabot, Connor or Barzal with one of those picks.

 

[BigGoalBrad]

We really have to see how the Bruins draft turns out. They really made a statement picks which they will own. I don't want to turn this into a bash Boston thread, because we are a fair bit away from finding out how the players from the 2015 draft will turn out, but people would be talking a lot differently about that trade if they took Chabot, Connor or Barzal with one of those picks.

Im with you there could have done better with the 3 picks. Would help in sealing a trade right now if we just went BPA.

But Boston is the best team at identifying good college free agents and has some very nice prospects picked in the middle rounds. That offsets that.


With a player like Hamilton if you aren't begrudgingly matching any offer sheet its best to cut bait and move on. He would have been a bad contract for us and messed up the team for years.

Boston may have lost 2 trades in the Reilly Smith and Dougie Hamilton deals but both guys are almost addition by subtraction very soft players.


Winnipeg can get a good return in a bidding war between the Wings, Rangers, and Bruins alone. Noone has slammed the city yet. Just get a good return and avoid an inveitable Pronger situation.