Proposal: Trouba Mega-Thread Part III

[CREW99AW]

Turris signed a deal before being traded.....RYJO didn't sit out or demand a trade, so there is no comparison.

posters did use " concern" about RyJo's next contract as an excuse for lowball offers.
The same with Turris before he signed his extension.

GMs are not expressing concerns over Trouba's next contract, are not backing off attempts to acquire him..

 

[Liferleafer]

posters did use " concern" about RyJo's next contract as an excuse for lowball offers.
The same with Turris before he signed his extension.

GMs are not expressing concerns over Trouba's next contract, are not backing off attempts to acquire him..

Which GMs? What offers? Other than the odd "GMs are interested" quotes, there is nothing concrete....that and the quotes from unamed GMs saying the price is to high.

 

[CREW99AW]

Which GMs? What offers? Other than the odd "GMs are interested" quotes, there is nothing concrete....that and the quotes from unamed GMs saying the price is to high.

Friedman has said the Jets asking price for Trouba is huge and McKenzie has said there are quite a few teams interested.

If armchair GMs on message boards, want to think they have a better idea of the Trouba trade value/market...that is fine.
Like the Drouin/Harmonic /RyJo trade threads of last 2 seasons, I expect several months of lowball offers before Winnipeg eventually makes a move.

 

[robertocarlos]

Flair Hay, how can Trouba be a better player than Postma but worse on the PP? Oh ya, maybe Postma is better on the PP. Bobby Orr never had that problem. Nor does Subban.
Maybe Trouba isn't worth a first born.

 

[robertocarlos]

In nearly 9+ years on this site, I have never seen people go so far to defend a GM that has won nothing in 5 years of being with a team.

It's Winnipeg. Unless we get a parade in the next 3 years we got nothing.

 

[KBobs]

Friedman has said the Jets asking price for Trouba is huge and McKenzie has said there are quite a few teams interested.

If armchair GMs on message boards, want to think they have a better idea of the Trouba trade value/market...that is fine.
Like the Drouin/Harmonic /RyJo trade threads of last 2 seasons, I expect several months of lowball offers before Winnipeg eventually makes a move.

It'll either happen within the next 2 months or won't happen (as conventional wisdom would suggest) until around the draft. December 1st is the cut-off for Trouba to play this year--on any team--given his RFA status.

 

[CREW99AW]

It'll either happen within the next 2 months or won't happen (as conventional wisdom would suggest) until around the draft. December 1st is the cut-off for Trouba to play this year--on any team--given his RFA status.

Yes. I am aware of the Dec. 1st deadline.
I don't expect a move until the offseason, when more teams will have the cap space to pull off a major move.
Opposing teams and fans may be anxoius to see a deal completed asap, but I would think Winnipeg's biggest concer is getting maximum value.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

so what constitutes "quite a few teams interested" in trouba and what does "interested" mean exactly?

how many teams realistically want/need trouba, can afford him right away, can afford him long term, that he is willing(he cant be forced to sign long term he can sign 1 year deals) AND have the assets they both can AND want to move to land him?

what teams are we generally talking here and how many of those are the same teams interested in Fowler?

 

[Guffman]

In nearly 9+ years on this site, I have never seen people go so far to defend a GM that has won nothing in 5 years of being with a team.

Taking shortcuts to success hasn't worked out for many franchises, including the Leafs.

The Jets went with a draft and develop approach, which does take some time. The young talent we now have is impressive and should set us up for years of success.

What a waste it would be for the Jets to shortcut the process and try to outcompete Chicago to get out of the division the past few years.

While some fan bases may be impatient for immediate success, I am glad that Jets fans are more sophisticated to have that long-term perspective, which jives with what Chevy and the franchise are doing.

Now, can Chevy and Maurice now turn these promising young assets into a contender over the next three years? That is what we will judge them on next.

 

[aj8000]

This thread is hilarious.

The next step in this saga will be Trouba signing with the Jets prior to December 1. He will only be traded after that if the Jets get their price which will not be lowered because the fans on this site say so.

To all of you that think other wise, you will just have to live with those facts.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Leafs should get Fowler for JVR then do Gardiner + Leipsic + 2nd. Then sign 5.6M/8 (4,4,5.5,5.95x4,7.5) thats assuming he is willing to play for the Leafs. Ive been reading some of the stuff people on here say and I think he is underrated I think he could definitely be a #1. Him and Rielly would be Niedermeyer- Pronger light.

JVR makes more then Fowler, It's already came out that BM needs to shed salary to sign with Lindholm and Rakell. So unless Lou wants to retain 50% of JVRs salary JVR for Fowler wont work and Boston could work a deal around Spooner for Fowler that would be a lot better for Anaheim so i seriously doubt that a deal around JVR for Fowler would work. Considering the cost of it all. And Trouba can only be signed for 7 years not 8 years only Winnipeg can do 8 years unless it's a sign and trade and that deal around Gardiner+Leipsic wont work for a sign and trade Cheveldayoff will want Gardiner+Kapanen more then likely just to get the conversation started any ways.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

In nearly 9+ years on this site, I have never seen people go so far to defend a GM that has won nothing in 5 years of being with a team.

Look at the team we received.

Look at the team now.

Look at how long most rebuilds take.

That should give you a good indication as to why Jets fans are happy with what management has done.

 

[cobra427]

Yes. I am aware of the Dec. 1st deadline.
I don't expect a move until the offseason, when more teams will have the cap space to pull off a major move.
Opposing teams and fans may be anxoius to see a deal completed asap, but I would think Winnipeg's biggest concer is getting maximum value.

I am not sure next year will be any better as far as a trade return. First, Trouba would have to sign a one year deal, play well, and not get injured. If he sits for a year, his value will be less. Chevy must have known or had a good idea since May that Trouba might not sign. He has had plenty of time to make a deal. RHD's are in high demand and 22 year old top 4 RHD's with top pairing potential are in super high demand. There has to be at least 10 teams that would be very interested in Trouba. Chevy must be asking for way to much in return for Trouba, and/or his ego is getting in the way.

Trouba's value goes down from here not up. Even if he signs, do the Jets really want a guy who wants out? It just doesn't work once a guy publicly says I want out. Chevy can play hard ball, hope he signs or lets him sit, but that won't help the Jets short term or long term in their on ice performance or their long term return. The longer this goes, the more Chevy is misplaying his hand.

 

[Horse McHindu]

Canucks and Jets

To Winnipeg:

Jake Virtanen, Chris Tanev, 1st

To Vancouver:

Jacob Trouba

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

To Winnipeg:

Jake Virtanen, Chris Tanev, 1st

To Vancouver:

Jacob Trouba

Pretty sure that the odds of Trouba being dealt to another Western Conference team is pretty nil.

 

[Incetardis]

Pretty sure that the odds of Trouba being dealt to another Western Conference team is pretty nil.

For that return I'm sure they're pretty high. Then flip Tanev to the Leafs for Gardiner to get your young LHD signed at a reasonable cap hit

 

[banme*]

Pretty sure that the odds of Trouba being dealt to another Western Conference team is pretty nil.

The jets would be INSANE to not make that trade lol.

 

[Heldig]

To Winnipeg:

Jake Virtanen, Chris Tanev, 1st

To Vancouver:

Jacob Trouba

I think the Jets do that very quickly.

 

[lomiller1]

The reason I said top 4, which is what I think you objected to, is that I don't like labeling players based on pairings.

I'd also be careful of pointing towards who he is paired with as a big factor when using relative numbers, as many of them already account for this by utilizing simplified WOWY.

Other than that, I thank you for the data collection and presentation. Trouba is indeed very good. I just said that I don't necessarily think we'll see as much further development as people generally expect from a guy that age.

Stats like Rel CF/60, Rel SC/60 etc don't account for QoT, in fact QoT impacts them far more than QoC or zone starts (the numbers I gave are zone start adjusted). If you look at his time on the ice without Stuart, Trouba actully has some of the best overall possession numbers in the NHL over the last 2 years

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

The jets would be INSANE to not make that trade lol.

Doesn't matter because i'm pretty sure that Overhardt isn't talking to Vancouver. If Trouba is wanting out of Winnipeg i doubt that he has any interest in a rebuilding team like Vancouver.

 

[Whileee]

The pressure comes this season without Trouba in the line-up. He was in the line-up last season. Look at that division. Best division in the NHL.

The same Jets management who told the media not to worry about Trouba.

It turns out Trouba was being discussed with other teams last season and requested a trade in May.

You guys refused to believe Trouba was ever available until last Saturday when the trade request was made public.

That was funny. You heard and read items about Trouba being available during the spring and summer. You guys always said it wasn't true.

Farm family? What does that even mean?

The Jets are a better team with Trouba or a better team with the assets acquired for Trouba than no Trouba at all.

I can see how well Winnipeg management has run their team. Look at all of the playoff series wins since they returned in 2011-12. They look like the previous highly successful Winnipeg franchise.

Looking to the future, I think I'd worry more about the Rangers than the Jets, frankly.

Winnipeg got a thin and crappy franchise in 2011 and it's been patiently built into a strong and deep roster and prospect pool. Jets fans understand that the best way to build an organization is with some patience, especially if you're starting with a prospect pool who's best player is Patrice Cormier. Jets fans are generally pretty comfortable with management taking the time necessary to get the best trade deal, or maybe even convincing Trouba to rescind his trade request.

I'm not sure why that approach seems to irritate you and some other fans so much.

 

[nucksauce]

Not technology a Winnipeg Jets fan, though, I have been keeping tabs on them since they have been brought back into the league and one thing for sure is this team is in no rush to do anything that could hurt them in their roster or finances. Smart drafting and development timely trades and knowing when not to open up their wallets for pending of UFA/RFAs.

Chevy absolutely knows what he's doing and he's doing what he's best at, patience. Trouba's camp holds no power in this he doesn't want to play? His loss. He may just fold and just sign before Dec. and we're back at this next year. Chevy like every GM know when the season starts and teams start to discover holes in their lineups through lack of production and injuries etc. Teams will be frothing at the mouth for players like Trouba and Chevy will be sitting very pretty.

Prospects and draft picks are not so valuable to their respective teams at the beginning of the season in the first few months after rosters are set heading into the second half because 3 quarters of the league don't know where they will finish. Adding a top 4D cornerstone player like Trouba is something too tempting to pass up to put your team that much further ahead or catch-up.

Honestly, look at what New Jersey just did for Hall they are probably still giggling about it. Chevy is hands down a more methodical Gm then Shero. You think he will lose value on Trouba? He may not acquire a Hall-lite player in a 1-for-1 deal but he will be strengthening a need on the team. Best believe dat!

 

[Whileee]

In nearly 9+ years on this site, I have never seen people go so far to defend a GM that has won nothing in 5 years of being with a team.

Do a bit of research and compare the roster and prospect pool of the team in 2011 and now, 5 years later.

I'll give you a hint... the best prospect in 2011 was Patrice Cormier, and the second best was maybe a toss-up between Eric O'Dell and Paul Postma. "Bad" doesn't even begin to describe the organizational depth.

I know it's a bit difficult for some in the "major" markets to realize that it takes that amount of time to actually build a team through the draft (the oldest players drafted in 2011 are now just 23), but that's the way it works. Here's the current Jets line-up, with new players since 2011 in bold...

Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler
Laine-Little-Armia
Connor-Perreault-Stafford
Tanev-Lowry-Dano

Enstrom-Buff
Morrissey-MyersChiarot-Postma

Hellebuyck
Pavelec

11 of those players were drafted since 2011 (including prospects acquired in trades).

The Jets have what is commonly rated as a top 3-5 prospect pool, as they have for the past few years.

 

[Channelcat]

This thread is hilarious.

The next step in this saga will be Trouba signing with the Jets prior to December 1. He will only be traded after that if the Jets get their price which will not be lowered because the fans on this site say so.

To all of you that think other wise, you will just have to live with those facts.

I'm thinking there is a strong chance you are correct. I believe that over the next few weeks you will also see predictions on this board start swinging towards a probable re-signing.

 

[Legend123]

What part of Winnipeg has NO REASON to make a deal days before opening night goes over your head? The GMs who want Trouba are not going to reject a Trouba trade because it comes after opening night.

What a load of nonsense this idea that Winnipeg is under some time constraint and each day lowers the 22 yr olds value.
Wishful thinking on the part of some posters.

As for Trouba being willing to sign with his new team......McKenzie's comment about a lot of teams being interested indicates this is not considered out to be a stumbling block by nhl GMs.

You dont know how to read, do you? I didnt say Winnnipeg were under time constraint, I said other teams would ideally like to make a trade before opening night.
And I never said the closer we get to the 12, the lesser his value becomes. I mean seriously?? Thats really stupid. What decreases his value is the trade request going public.