Proposal: Trouba Mega-Thread Part III

[Trolfoli]

Option 1) WPG caves and trades Trouba, probably for a deal they're not happy with since this has been dragged out so long.

Option 2) Trouba caves and signs in WPG. Might be a little awkward at this point... how will his teammates take it?

Option 3) Nuclear Option! Trouba isn't signed by the Dec deadline and sits the year out.

If option 3 becomes a reality, Trouba will want to make some money and he'll need to be playing hockey so he can improve his game. With the NHL not an option this means Europe. The problem is going into the expansion draft WPG is going to have to protect Trouba even if he's playing in Europe or sitting out at the time.

 

[Whileee]

Friedman: Winnipeg's asking price for Trouba is huge.
McKenzie: A lot of teams interested in acquiring Trouba..

Can the posters hoping that Trouba can be acquired cheaply, quit with the idea that NHL GMs are not aware that they will have to move top , young talent for him and that some are willng to clear out salary either during the season or next off season?
And looking at how quickly Overhardt clients RyJo and Turris reached agreements with their new teams, it does not look like GMs are overly concerned with reaching agreement with Trouba.

Not getting Trouba for 2nd tier talent and a 1st. Winnipeg is not under tremendous pressure to make a quick deal.

^^^

....what he said.

 

[Whileee]

Option 1) WPG caves and trades Trouba, probably for a deal they're not happy with since this has been dragged out so long.

Option 2) Trouba caves and signs in WPG. Might be a little awkward at this point... how will his teammates take it?

Option 3) Nuclear Option! Trouba isn't signed by the Dec deadline and sits the year out.

If option 3 becomes a reality, Trouba will want to make some money and he'll need to be playing hockey so he can improve his game. With the NHL not an option this means Europe. The problem is going into the expansion draft WPG is going to have to protect Trouba even if he's playing in Europe or sitting out at the time.

Option 4) The Jets negotiate a trade with another team for a value that they think is fair. (this is the most likely option, in my opinion).

The reality is that Chevy probably only gains by waiting a bit. He's searching around for the best offer, and there's literally no pressure right now because the regular season is 10 days away.

 

[Legend123]

Friedman: Winnipeg's asking price for Trouba is huge.
McKenzie: A lot of teams interested in acquiring Trouba..

Can the posters hoping that Trouba can be acquired cheaply, quit with the idea that NHL GMs are not aware that they will have to move top , young talent for him and that some are willng to clear out salary either during the season or next off season?
And looking at how quickly Overhardt clients RyJo and Turris reached agreements with their new teams, it does not look like GMs are overly concerned with reaching agreement with Trouba.

Not getting Trouba for 2nd tier talent and a 1st. Winnipeg is not under tremendous pressure to make a quick deal.

ANd how exactly does that change the fact that dealing young players and having to negotiate a deal, which could be a long term deal, be easy to do 12 days before opening night?? I love when posters just sputter stupid comments trying to say stupid things.

 

[CREW99AW]

ANd how exactly does that change the fact that dealing young players and having to negotiate a deal, which could be a long term deal, be easy to do 12 days before opening night?? I love when posters just sputter stupid comments trying to say stupid things.

The stupid comment is that Winnipeg and a new team have 12 days to get a deal done.

Winnipeg is under NO pressure to deal Trouba by the start of this season.The majority of Winnipeg fans, the media, players and ownership looked to be firmly behind the front office.


Keep telling yourself that Winnipeg won't have a long list of potential trade partners, willing to offer up blue chip talent.

 

[93LEAFS]

The stupid comment is that Winnipeg and a new team have 12 days to get a deal done.

Winnipeg is under NO pressure to deal Trouba by the start of this season.The majority of Winnipeg fans, the media, players and ownership looked to be firmly behind the front office.


Keep telling yourself that Winnipeg won't have a long list of potential trade partners, willing to offer up blue chip talent.

They may be willing to offer blue-chip talent prospect wise. But, they aren't getting a blue-chip young LHD with similar NHL experience as Trouba, considering how small a list that is. I don't see one of Lindholm, Rielly, or Hanifin being up for grabs. I'd also be quite surprised (and I don't think they can cap-wise) if Columbus traded Ryan Murray for him (plus they are weaker RHD compared to the LHD). So that leaves you with outright prospects such as Werenski, Juolevi, and Provorov, and I can't really see those teams making that move due to either cap restrictions (none have the room to add a 5m cap hit right now). I'd say the most realistic suitors are the Coyotes at the moment (can find Cap room by LTIRing Bolland) or New Jersey. Coyotes may have a reasonable package built around Chychrun, but I can't see what Jersey could realistically offer that would intrigue Winnipeg. This is going to take a fair amount of creativity to solve unless Winnipeg takes cap dumps back to make a trade possible.

For everyone mentioning the Leafs, Trouba would fill a big need, but I don't see how we can acquire him. JVR-Trouba-Fowler or even JVR for Fowler then Gardiner+ for Trouba (not saying either are acceptable), I don't see how Anaheim does that to solve their cap problems without retention, and if we retain on JVR we can't sign Trouba. We also have to work around the politics of not paying Trouba more than Rielly, which limits are attractiveness to Trouba.

I really hope for Chevy's sake he didn't overplay his hand, it seems the strongest time to of dealt Trouba was at the draft or July 1st before teams started running into cap problems.

 

[Legend123]

The stupid comment is that Winnipeg and a new team have 12 days to get a deal done.

Winnipeg is under NO pressure to deal Trouba by the start of this season.The majority of Winnipeg fans, the media, players and ownership looked to be firmly behind the front office.


Keep telling yourself that Winnipeg won't have a long list of potential trade partners, willing to offer up blue chip talent.

Oh my?? Are u serious? I just said making a trade days before Opening Night is very tough to pull off. As far as im aware teams would like to be set before game 1 before making huge trades.

"Keep telling yourself" ????????????????????? Wtf?? Did i even say that? Why u gotta be so personal on a subject regarding Trouba and the trade?
As I said, every single team would like to have Trouba on their team. Taking off the Jets, that makes it 29 teams. Then u gotta consider what the Jets want, which wont be small, and the list goes down significantly as not many can pull off such a trade without disrupting their core pieces. Then u gotta consider his Salary demands. He obvious wont sign for cheap and budget teams, teams with too many Dman or teams paying too much for their blue line will obviously shy away from any trade for Trouba. The list goes down. Then u gotta consider what I initially said. DO teams really want to pull off a huge trade days before opening night? Even of they do still wanna trade weeks into the season, its still tough.
Thats why any trade for Trouba will be very hard to pull off. Stop flaming away when I suggest that.

 

[Flair Hay]

it's funny how people think chevy has so much leverage, another bad season and he could be out of a job so if he mishandles this trouba thing and just let's him sit out, that is a waste of an asset

Trading him in a deal where he has poor leverage would be mishandling this. It will suck but I can guarantee the Jets owner would support Chevy taking a hard stance here.

Likely Trouba comes back and plays under a bridge after a few weeks of holding out.

 

[Legend123]

Trading him in a deal where he has poor leverage would be mishandling this. It will suck but I can guarantee the Jets owner would support Chevy taking a hard stance here.

Likely Trouba comes back and plays under a bridge after a few weeks of holding out.

turris almost held out for the entire season. Same agent as trouba's...

 

[Nithoniniel]

The problem with threads like these is that a lot of people seem to regard them as an opportunity to engage in some fantasy where they can try to negotiate with an opposing fan base and "win" a deal.

Since what happens here has no effect on Trouba, the only real question to discuss is what is the likely outcome of all this. As such, going out of your way to create winning deals for your team holds no value, and just aggravates the mood of the thread.

One thing I've realized over some years of following this board when rumors pop up is that every time people like to talk about how the team will have to settle for scraps, and it almost never happens. Jets are not in a bind. They are just in a position where they'll be looking at solutions that satisfies both them and Trouba at the behest of the latter.

As for their current situation, I don't think the trade request matters. With interests from around the league, prices will be driven up towards what Jets want due to competition. If there was one or two teams interested, then perhaps the trade request could be a problem. That's not the case here. Jets will either get the deal they want, or they'll wait out Trouba.

Personally, I think if a deal is made then it will be to the Jets benefit. That's mostly because I am not all that enamored with Trouba's upside. In my opinion, upside isn't just a case of current ability compared to age. There are significant development steps involved, and one of those is the maturation process, the translation of skill set to the NHL level. Early Johansen is an example of a guy where you could see that there was so much to his game that he hadn't translated to the NHL level yet, so there was a lot of potential there. I don't see that with Trouba, I think he translated his skill set unusually well, which is also a big reason why he became an NHL player so early. Those significant development steps I mentioned have already been taken, so I don't foresee major steps for him going forward. He'll improve on things each year still, but what you see is what you'll get mostly. Terrific PK guy, versatile and strong top 4 D-man who is useful in a variety of situations. But I don't see the same ceiling as many others, and it's very likely he'll get paid for that ceiling.

 

[JetsHomer]

turris almost held out for the entire season. Same agent as trouba's...

Turris signed a bridge contract with the Coyotes on November 22 and was then traded December 17th. Something similar will probably happen with Trouba, seeing as they have the same agent and all

 

[FiveHoled]

Likely Trouba comes back and plays under a bridge after a few weeks of holding out.

Totally agree. I think almost everybody involved (except Trouba) knows that Chevy is going to sit on him no matter how long it takes. He has no reason to trade him and many reasons to keep him. Trouba has nothing for leverage here. Trouba will eventually figure this out and we can get on with it.

 

[Trolfoli]

Option 4) The Jets negotiate a trade with another team for a value that they think is fair. (this is the most likely option, in my opinion).

The reality is that Chevy probably only gains by waiting a bit. He's searching around for the best offer, and there's literally no pressure right now because the regular season is 10 days away.

This is what I think will happen too. I do disagree about no pressure though. WPG has time and aren't under a deadline to get something done. It would be nice to start the year with another top 4D and not possibly dig a hole to start the season. Maybe WPG wins their first 10 games or so with Trouba sitting... but I think the team is better off resolving this by the start of the season. Unless this turns into a Harmonic situation.

 

[93LEAFS]

Totally agree. I think almost everybody involved (except Trouba) knows that Chevy is going to sit on him no matter how long it takes. He has no reason to trade him and many reasons to keep him. Trouba has nothing for leverage here. Trouba will eventually figure this out and we can get on with it.

The threat of him going to the KHL short term with the unknown of how he plays or if he stays healthy is something the Jets have to worry about. While Trouba going over there and getting either injured or playing below expectations will hurt his return on a contract, it will also hurt what the Jets get back, which is why it is in everyone's interest to have this solved by December 1st. Obviously, the Jets will take that risk if everyone is low-balling them, but its not like Trouba's stock will stay the same if he sits out, and its more likely things that decrease it happen than things that would improve it.

 

[Flair Hay]

The threat of him going to the KHL short term with the unknown of how he plays or if he stays healthy is something the Jets have to worry about. While Trouba going over there and getting either injured or playing below expectations will hurt his return on a contract, it will also hurt what the Jets get back, which is why it is in everyone's interest to have this solved by December 1st. Obviously, the Jets will take that risk if everyone is low-balling them, but its not like Trouba's stock will stay the same if he sits out, and its more likely things that decrease it happen than things that would improve it.

The longer Trouba waits, the less likely it is someone will pay the price in a trade to get him. And that makes it more likely he ends up back in a Jets uniform.

Jets can survive with Postma or Morrissey taking his spot in the lineup short term. Postma should be better than Trouba would be on the PP.

Maybe Trouba does what Giordano did and sits out the whole year and plays in Europe. Doesn't get him any closer to UFA. Look what being patient there did for the Flames..

Like Button said, Chevy knows the value of Trouba. The same way Yzerman didn't cave in to Drouin. Trouba can ask to be traded, but the Jets don't have to force it.

 

[Whileee]

The problem with threads like these is that a lot of people seem to regard them as an opportunity to engage in some fantasy where they can try to negotiate with an opposing fan base and "win" a deal.

Since what happens here has no effect on Trouba, the only real question to discuss is what is the likely outcome of all this. As such, going out of your way to create winning deals for your team holds no value, and just aggravates the mood of the thread.

One thing I've realized over some years of following this board when rumors pop up is that every time people like to talk about how the team will have to settle for scraps, and it almost never happens. Jets are not in a bind. They are just in a position where they'll be looking at solutions that satisfies both them and Trouba at the behest of the latter.

As for their current situation, I don't think the trade request matters. With interests from around the league, prices will be driven up towards what Jets want due to competition. If there was one or two teams interested, then perhaps the trade request could be a problem. That's not the case here. Jets will either get the deal they want, or they'll wait out Trouba.

Personally, I think if a deal is made then it will be to the Jets benefit. That's mostly because I am not all that enamored with Trouba's upside. In my opinion, upside isn't just a case of current ability compared to age. There are significant development steps involved, and one of those is the maturation process, the translation of skill set to the NHL level. Early Johansen is an example of a guy where you could see that there was so much to his game that he hadn't translated to the NHL level yet, so there was a lot of potential there. I don't see that with Trouba, I think he translated his skill set unusually well, which is also a big reason why he became an NHL player so early. Those significant development steps I mentioned have already been taken, so I don't foresee major steps for him going forward. He'll improve on things each year still, but what you see is what you'll get mostly. Terrific PK guy, versatile and strong top 4 D-man who is useful in a variety of situations. But I don't see the same ceiling as many others, and it's very likely he'll get paid for that ceiling.

I tend to agree about the trade process. Chevy probably already knows Trouba's trade value since GMs are talking all the time, and Chevy would have done due diligence on trouba, especially once it was made known that Trouba wanted to move. The public disclosure of the trade request won't really change things, and my guess is that Chevy anticipated that they would go public at some point. Chevy got good value for Kane at short notice, but he almost certainly had a sense of the level of trade interest long before he was forced into a move.

There's also a possibility that the Jets want to see if Trouba will change his mind. Maurice indicated something to that effect.

Your observations about Trouba's potential is interesting. I can't say I entirely disagree, though I think he can be a minute munching top pairing D, which holds a lot of value, especially in a 22-year old.

 

[kelsier]

There's been a lot of Gardiner + for Trouba talk here but that is never going to happen. Trouba should be much better going forward for the Jets to accept a downgrade. Looking at the Jets prospect pool you can pretty much see that they are not into complimentary pieces either. The wings are stacked so the + would have to be something really significant. Also if the Leafs are not into giving one of their top three kids (or unprotected 1st 2017) this isn't going to work out. There are better potential trading partners, and if not, the Jets will just sit this one out. Trouba will look into his wallet sooner than later and realises the harsh reality.

 

[CREW99AW]

They may be willing to offer blue-chip talent prospect wise. But, they aren't getting a blue-chip young LHD with similar NHL experience as Trouba, considering how small a list that is. I don't see one of Lindholm, Rielly, or Hanifin being up for grabs. I'd also be quite surprised (and I don't think they can cap-wise) if Columbus traded Ryan Murray for him (plus they are weaker RHD compared to the LHD). So that leaves you with outright prospects such as Werenski, Juolevi, and Provorov, and I can't really see those teams making that move due to either cap restrictions (none have the room to add a 5m cap hit right now). I'd say the most realistic suitors are the Coyotes at the moment (can find Cap room by LTIRing Bolland) or New Jersey. Coyotes may have a reasonable package built around Chychrun, but I can't see what Jersey could realistically offer that would intrigue Winnipeg. This is going to take a fair amount of creativity to solve unless Winnipeg takes cap dumps back to make a trade possible.

For everyone mentioning the Leafs, Trouba would fill a big need, but I don't see how we can acquire him. JVR-Trouba-Fowler or even JVR for Fowler then Gardiner+ for Trouba (not saying either are acceptable), I don't see how Anaheim does that to solve their cap problems without retention, and if we retain on JVR we can't sign Trouba. We also have to work around the politics of not paying Trouba more than Rielly, which limits are attractiveness to Trouba.

I really hope for Chevy's sake he didn't overplay his hand, it seems the strongest time to of dealt Trouba was at the draft or July 1st before teams started running into cap problems.

No idea why Chevy did not move Trouba around the time of the draft. I am curious if he is waiting to see if Myers shows himself fully recovered from his hip and knee surgeries, making it easier to move Myers. If I was in the Jets front office, that would be preferable to moving Trouba.

As for teams making a Trouba trade right now or in the next 1-2 months.......unless it greatly benefits Winnipeg, I expect Winnipeg to tell Trouba and his agent to sit tight, that the Winnipeg Jets may not move Trouba until the trade deadline or next offseason, that their ONLY concern is getting maximum value in return.

Also, keep in mind that team need/views could change as the season goes along. In Nov when we were told of Hamonic's trade request, the nyi demanded a high end young blueliner in return. By the time the nyi season ended in May , the press was reporting how pleased the nyi front office was with Pulock's 2015-2016 development and playoff contributions, that they now felt he was nhl ready and speculation was about how Pulock replacing Hamonic could change the isles wish for a high end blueliner in a Hamonic deal.

 

[garyturner3]

Friedman: Winnipeg's asking price for Trouba is huge.
McKenzie: A lot of teams interested in acquiring Trouba..

Can the posters hoping that Trouba can be acquired cheaply, quit with the idea that NHL GMs are not aware that they will have to move top , young talent for him and that some are willng to clear out salary either during the season or next off season?
And looking at how quickly Overhardt clients RyJo and Turris reached agreements with their new teams, it does not look like GMs are overly concerned with reaching agreement with Trouba.

Not getting Trouba for 2nd tier talent and a 1st. Winnipeg is not under tremendous pressure to make a quick deal.

You know when else you hear phrases like that? Every single time a high end player is on the trade market. It's called an asking price and more often than not teams have to move off of that price. That's just how deals work out. Nobody's saying Winnipeg will not get top young talent in return; Trouba's an excellent trade chip. If they're firm on getting a d-man back then odds are though that top young talent will either be slightly below Trouba's value or be in the form of an unproven D prospect. They're just not getting somebody of equal value unless they add to Trouba. No reason for the opposing team to make that deal. Anything's possible and they can be extremely patient sure, but just based on previous holdout scenarios, Winnipeg will eventually move off that asking price despite the fact that posters on here are adamant they won't.

 

[CREW99AW]

Oh my?? Are u serious? I just said making a trade days before Opening Night is very tough to pull off. As far as im aware teams would like to be set before game 1 before making huge trades.

"Keep telling yourself" ????????????????????? Wtf?? Did i even say that? Why u gotta be so personal on a subject regarding Trouba and the trade?
As I said, every single team would like to have Trouba on their team. Taking off the Jets, that makes it 29 teams. Then u gotta consider what the Jets want, which wont be small, and the list goes down significantly as not many can pull off such a trade without disrupting their core pieces. Then u gotta consider his Salary demands. He obvious wont sign for cheap and budget teams, teams with too many Dman or teams paying too much for their blue line will obviously shy away from any trade for Trouba. The list goes down. Then u gotta consider what I initially said. DO teams really want to pull off a huge trade days before opening night? Even of they do still wanna trade weeks into the season, its still tough.
Thats why any trade for Trouba will be very hard to pull off. Stop flaming away when I suggest that.

What part of Winnipeg has NO REASON to make a deal days before opening night goes over your head? The GMs who want Trouba are not going to reject a Trouba trade because it comes after opening night.

What a load of nonsense this idea that Winnipeg is under some time constraint and each day lowers the 22 yr olds value.
Wishful thinking on the part of some posters.

As for Trouba being willing to sign with his new team......McKenzie's comment about a lot of teams being interested indicates this is not considered out to be a stumbling block by nhl GMs.

 

[CREW99AW]

You know when else you hear phrases like that? Every single time a high end player is on the trade market. It's called an asking price and more often than not teams have to move off of that price. That's just how deals work out. Nobody's saying Winnipeg will not get top young talent in return; Trouba's an excellent trade chip. If they're firm on getting a d-man back then odds are though that top young talent will either be slightly below Trouba's value or be in the form of an unproven D prospect. They're just not getting somebody of equal value unless they add to Trouba. No reason for the opposing team to make that deal. Anything's possible and they can be extremely patient sure, but just based on previous holdout scenarios, Winnipeg will eventually move off that asking price despite the fact that posters on here are adamant they won't.

See my post above yours.

As for getting equal value back....RyJo for Jones is my first thought. Yes, I realize Winnipeg asking for a specific return(LHD), makes it more difficult to pull off a trade. But, since we are being told that Trouba does not want to sign an offer sheet and Chevy is in no rush to make a deal, the Jets can sit back and see which potential trade partners stumble out the gate.

 

[93LEAFS]

No idea why Chevy did not move Trouba around the time of the draft. I am curious if he is waiting to see if Myers shows himself fully recovered from his hip and knee surgeries, making it easier to move Myers. If I was in the Jets front office, that would be preferable to moving Trouba.

As for teams making a Trouba trade right now or in the next 1-2 months.......unless it greatly benefits Winnipeg, I expect Winnipeg to tell Trouba and his agent to sit tight, that the Winnipeg Jets may not move Trouba until the trade deadline or next offseason, that their ONLY concern is getting maximum value in return.

Also, keep in mind that team need/views could change as the season goes along. In Nov when we were told of Hamonic's trade request, the nyi demanded a high end young blueliner in return. By the time the nyi season ended in May , the press was reporting how pleased the nyi front office was with Pulock's 2015-2016 development and playoff contributions, that they now felt he was nhl ready and speculation was about how Pulock replacing Hamonic could change the isles wish for a high end blueliner in a Hamonic deal.

A couple things may have happened around the draft that made him hard to move.

1: Trouba and Overhart may not of been willing to leak what they were willing to sign for, therefore making it very hard to determine his value.

2: The main player in the sweepstakes for Trouba may of been Edmonton, and if it is actually a location based issue (and not positional), I can't see that being a go.

3: Detroit could have been pre-occupied by the Stamkos chase, and figuring out how to create cap-space for that, meanwhile putting Trouba on hold. Plus no team with high pick had the desire to move that pick and/or weren't a destination Trouba liked.

4: Finally (and least likely in my opinion), Jets ownership and non-hockey management didn't want anything happening that could put a shadow over the Laine draft pick (and the positive publicity from it). Trading a fan favourite that weekend, with the rumour that he wanted the hell out of Winnipeg would of done that, and created a side-show on what was supposed to be a franchise changing day in a positive way.

I do think this move should of somehow been pulled off in late June/July 1st, but I can't say with any certainty that it was a mistake without knowing what was on the table. All, I do know is that by waiting it out this long, the list of potential suitors for this season has gotten smaller. I think a deal should get done by December 1st, but I don't like the odds on it, there is no way every team that Trouba is willing to sign with wasn't informed of this interest on July 1st by Overhardt.

 

[CREW99AW]

A couple things may have happened around the draft that made him hard to move.

1: Trouba and Overhart may not of been willing to leak what they were willing to sign for, therefore making it very hard to determine his value.

2: The main player in the sweepstakes for Trouba may of been Edmonton, and if it is actually a location based issue (and not positional), I can't see that being a go.

3: Detroit could have been pre-occupied by the Stamkos chase, and figuring out how to create cap-space for that, meanwhile putting Trouba on hold. Plus no team with high pick had the desire to move that pick and/or weren't a destination Trouba liked.


I do think this move should of somehow been pulled off in late June/July 1st, but I can't say with any certainty that it was a mistake without knowing what was on the table. All, I do know is that by waiting it out this long, the list of potential suitors for this season has gotten smaller. I think a deal should get done by December 1st, but I don't like the odds on it, there is no way every team that Trouba is willing to sign with wasn't informed of this interest on July 1st by Overhardt.

I would be very surprised if Winnipeg makes a move before the next offseason.
Obviously,the list of potential trade partners is not as large as it is in the off season.

We could see teams allowed to talk extension numbers with Overhardt before a deal is completed. Opposing GMs do not appear very concerned about getting Trouba extended.

 

[93LEAFS]

I would be very surprised if Winnipeg makes a move before the next offseason.
Obviously,the list of potential trade partners is not as large as it is in the off season.

We could see teams allowed to talk extension numbers with Overhardt before a deal is completed. Opposing GMs do not appear very concerned about getting Trouba extended.

They are already allowed to talk extension numbers with Trouba, they have since July 1st.

 

[Brock Radunske]

The problem with threads like these is that a lot of people seem to regard them as an opportunity to engage in some fantasy where they can try to negotiate with an opposing fan base and "win" a deal.

Since what happens here has no effect on Trouba, the only real question to discuss is what is the likely outcome of all this. As such, going out of your way to create winning deals for your team holds no value, and just aggravates the mood of the thread.

One thing I've realized over some years of following this board when rumors pop up is that every time people like to talk about how the team will have to settle for scraps, and it almost never happens. Jets are not in a bind. They are just in a position where they'll be looking at solutions that satisfies both them and Trouba at the behest of the latter.

As for their current situation, I don't think the trade request matters. With interests from around the league, prices will be driven up towards what Jets want due to competition. If there was one or two teams interested, then perhaps the trade request could be a problem. That's not the case here. Jets will either get the deal they want, or they'll wait out Trouba.

Personally, I think if a deal is made then it will be to the Jets benefit. That's mostly because I am not all that enamored with Trouba's upside. In my opinion, upside isn't just a case of current ability compared to age. There are significant development steps involved, and one of those is the maturation process, the translation of skill set to the NHL level. Early Johansen is an example of a guy where you could see that there was so much to his game that he hadn't translated to the NHL level yet, so there was a lot of potential there. I don't see that with Trouba, I think he translated his skill set unusually well, which is also a big reason why he became an NHL player so early. Those significant development steps I mentioned have already been taken, so I don't foresee major steps for him going forward. He'll improve on things each year still, but what you see is what you'll get mostly. Terrific PK guy, versatile and strong top 4 D-man who is useful in a variety of situations. But I don't see the same ceiling as many others, and it's very likely he'll get paid for that ceiling.

Not stylistically, but situationally, he reminds me so much of Jack Johnson. Hopefully it doesn't end up like that for him.

There's been a lot of Gardiner + for Trouba talk here but that is never going to happen. Trouba should be much better going forward for the Jets to accept a downgrade. Looking at the Jets prospect pool you can pretty much see that they are not into complimentary pieces either. The wings are stacked so the + would have to be something really significant. Also if the Leafs are not into giving one of their top three kids (or unprotected 1st 2017) this isn't going to work out. [/I]There are better potential trading partners, and if not, the Jets will just sit this one out. Trouba will look into his wallet sooner than later and realises the harsh reality.

I'm quite certain that the Leafs will not be offering any of the bolded and I'm not sure the leafs brass would even add anything to Gardiner...
I think Arizona makes the most sense for a trade partner.