Speculation: Trouba Contract Discussion Part II

[Hunter368]

Fastest way out of Winnipeg is signing a good, market-level deal and then quietly asking for a trade.

That gives Chevy options on the trade market with a signed asset. My guess is that Chevy is reluctant to trade Trouba without knowing how Myers bounces back from off-season surgery.

Like it did for Kane every summer after signing his contract?

 

[Hunter368]

Players don't like winning?

Personally I want to be in a position to win and earn my potential. Jets are potentially limiting his potential directly to their benefit.....not exactly a fair exchange.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Like it did for Kane every summer after signing his contract?

How many times did he change his mind? I think he flip flopped a few times.

 

[Hunter368]

How many times did he change his mind? I think he flip flopped a few times.

Sorry don't understand your post

 

[Whileee]

Like it did for Kane every summer after signing his contract?

GM has to run the show. The Kane trade worked out fine for the Jets. I'm really not that concerned about how it worked out for Kane. If Trouba wants out, then it should be on Chevy's timetable, not Trouba's. The Jets have actually done quite a bit to try to support Trouba, including bringing in his best buddy (Copp) and hiring his brother to come and stay with him. If he's sour because he had to play with Stuart, then I don't have that much sympathy for him. He's on his ELC, for crying out loud. Rielly didn't gripe having to play with Hunwick. Trouba got as much ice-time, and almost as much PP ice-time as Rielly did in his first 3 seasons.

I think it either boils down to Trouba having a hard-case agent who will squeeze every last penny out of Chevy (who's a grinder in negotiations himself), or Trouba just wants to play in a different market. Either way, Chevy is in the driver's seat and should use that position to ensure that the Jets end up with the best possible outcome, either through a contract or a trade.

 

[Hunter368]

GM has to run the show. The Kane trade worked out fine for the Jets. I'm really not that concerned about how it worked out for Kane. If Trouba wants out, then it should be on Chevy's timetable, not Trouba's. The Jets have actually done quite a bit to try to support Trouba, including bringing in his best buddy (Copp) and hiring his brother to come and stay with him. If he's sour because he had to play with Stuart, then I don't have that much sympathy for him. He's on his ELC, for crying out loud. Rielly didn't gripe having to play with Hunwick. Trouba got as much ice-time, and almost as much PP ice-time as Rielly did in his first 3 seasons.

I think it either boils down to Trouba having a hard-case agent who will squeeze every last penny out of Chevy (who's a grinder in negotiations himself), or Trouba just wants to play in a different market. Either way, Chevy is in the driver's seat and should use that position to ensure that the Jets end up with the best possible outcome, either through a contract or a trade.

That's a very pro Jets POV imo. If that were true, if I was Trouba I would make it very clear to everyone I want to be traded. Team screwed over Kane for several years. Yes Kane is a ****** bag, but the team screwed him over to a degree by not honoring his request for multi years.

Play the guy where he should be played and stop trying to squeeze him for every dime. Counter argument.

Usage Trouba has been completely screwed from what I've seen and no one has even debated that so I assume we all agree. So it's simple correct his usage now and pay him fair market value for his skill level and don't punish him for taking the Stuart bullet for the team.

Easy

 

[YWGinYYZ]

That's a very pro Jets POV imo. If that were true, if I was Trouba I would make it very clear to everyone I want to be traded. Team screwed over Kane for several years. Yes Kane is a ****** bag, but the team screwed him over to a degree by not honoring his request for multi years.

Where does it state in the CBA that trade requests need to be honoured?

 

[surixon]

That's a very pro Jets POV imo. If that were true, if I was Trouba I would make it very clear to everyone I want to be traded. Team screwed over Kane for several years. Yes Kane is a ****** bag, but the team screwed him over to a degree by not honoring his request for multi years.

Play the guy where he should be played and stop trying to squeeze him for every dime. Counter argument.

Usage Trouba has been completely screwed from what I've seen and no one has even debated that so I assume we all agree. So it's simple correct his usage now and pay him fair market value for his skill level and don't punish him for taking the Stuart bullet for the team.

Easy

I'm sorry I just don't see how he's been screwed with usage. He's spent plenty of time away from Stuart as well. He's played with Myers, Buff and Bogo the last couple of years as well. As has been shown he's not the first young player to have to carry deadweight on his pairing. I think the Stuart narrative has gone too far with regards to Trouba.

He's likely being offered something similar to a similar defenseman in Rielly. If he doesn't deem that fair than I would let him sit.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Sorry don't understand your post

It's not difficult. Kane asks to be traded, then he tells Chevy he wants to stay or Chevy convinces him to give it more time. Kane agrees. Kane asks for a trade, then changes his mind again. I don't think it was a continuous 3+ year open ended request for a trade. I think it's more complex

 

[SLAYER]

That's a very pro Jets POV imo. If that were true, if I was Trouba I would make it very clear to everyone I want to be traded. Team screwed over Kane for several years. Yes Kane is a ****** bag, but the team screwed him over to a degree by not honoring his request for multi years.

lolwut that is some next level ridiculousness right there. He signed a contract to play with the Jets... Why would the Jets need to cater to a player and give them something the second they demand it?

 

[Hunter368]

Where does it state in the CBA that trade requests need to be honoured?

Wow, that's the angle you want take? Multi years Chevy couldn't find a trade? Come on now

 

[Edgar Halliwax]

On 1290 this morning they were talking about how Trouba has been skating down south this summer with generic colored gear - no Jets gear whatsoever.

Don't know if there is anything to read into that but when I've gone to the Iceplex to watch the pros skate before training camp they always appear to wear some of their team gear (i.e. hemlet, pants, gloves...)

Anyway, I thought it was an interesting observation.

 

[nobody important]

Wow, that's the angle you want take? Multi years Chevy couldn't find a trade? Come on now

Between finding a team that wants to take on that headache, and getting good value in return, yeah... I can totally see it taking years.

 

[ps241]

Usage is earned not granted and his fair market value is very comparable to a lot of contracts already out there.

Do you honestly think the Jets are the ones that are turning down a 5 million a year contract for 7 years?

I have zero knowledge of how things are progressing but if this was on the table and they turned it down at this stage of the negotiations I would understand that. That would be giving one more UFA year than Rielly, Jones, and Hamilton for a $5 million AAV. Is he worth more than Jones, I don't think so but he is in the ballpark. I think we have to remember that they still have until early october to get a deal done. Lindholm, Gaudreau, Risto, the list of unsigned problem children goes on , Jacob is far from alone although I get the feeling Peggers feel there are big issue?

The advantage both sides have this season is that "if" Jacob were to miss some of the Jets camp and preseason I don't think it would material impact his game or the Jets this season. Notwithstanding usage he is going to be preparing for and playing in a high end tournament for close to three weeks including exhibition games starting later this week so Jacob is going to be more ready than ever to start a season.

The bonus is this isn't like Ladd or Buff where it will be hanging over the team all season for better or worse this thing will most likely get solved within a one to six weeks at the latest for all of the current unsigned RFA's including Trouba.

Bonus number two is we have some actual hockey to distract us soon.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

Wow, that's the angle you want take? Multi years Chevy couldn't find a trade? Come on now

Yes, of course that's the angle I want to take - if it wasn't, I wouldn't have posted it.

A player can request a trade all they want. A team is NOT obliged to trade them. You stated:

Team screwed over Kane for several years.

By providing him with a very good long term contract? This statement doesn't make any sense.

To relate this to Trouba:

If Trouba wants out (and I don't have any reason to believe he does), then it will be on the Jets terms, not his. That's the way it works - the players (including Trouba, or at least via his Player representatives) negotiated the CBA with the teams. Nowhere in that CBA does it state that teams must honour player requests for trades.

Now, if Trouba does want out, then the best thing he can do is play ball with Chevy, and sign a good, long term contract. Any issues with contract negotiations would be resolved by the Jets, and the team he'd end up getting traded to wouldn't have to deal with it. Certainty can be a good thing for trades, methinks.

 

[nobody important]

On 1290 this morning they were talking about how Trouba has been skating down south this summer with generic colored gear - no Jets gear whatsoever.

Good. If someone hasn't signed on to be part of this team, they shouldn't wear the gear.

 

[Aavco Cup]

On 1290 this morning they were talking about how Trouba has been skating down south this summer with generic colored gear - no Jets gear whatsoever.

Don't know if there is anything to read into that but when I've gone to the Iceplex to watch the pros skate before training camp they always appear to wear some of their team gear (i.e. hemlet, pants, gloves...)

Anyway, I thought it was an interesting observation.

It is not the same for all players. Madison Bowey wore his WHL allatar jersey. Many players this year are wearing focus fitness jerseys. The players do normally wear team helmets but not everyone. Some wear beat up decades old helmets. Jets players have been wearing blue practice jerseys but the team infrastructure is here to supply them

I wouldn't read too much into wearing generic stuff. He would have had to take it with him at the end of the season. I'd bet he's still wearing a Jets helmet though

 

[buggs]

Now, if Trouba does want out, then the best thing he can do is play ball with Chevy, and sign a good, long term contract. Any issues with contract negotiations would be resolved by the Jets, and the team he'd end up getting traded to wouldn't have to deal with it. Certainty can be a good thing for trades, methinks.

Couldn't agree more with this statement. It's by far in the best interest for Trouba and his camp to sign a contract, be it a bridge or a fair long term deal (Reilly money) IF he actually wants out of Winnipeg.

I've been on the 'free Trouba' bandwagon a long time. I'm a fan of his and a fairly strong dissenter of Stu's (play, not character). I want Trouba to have a long career here and to prove the non-HFJets portions of this board utterly wrong about how good he can be. I've even been saying quite a long time that the Jets may have been sandbagging Trouba to keep his salary lower. I'm not sure that's true but it has that appearance. At the same time, the Jets may have known Stu wasn't good and were using Trouba to prop up that pairing.

Given my druthers I'd rather move Myers out and keep Trouba. I'd like to keep both but I'm not sure allocating that much money to defense is a good balance for a roster (+Stu+Enstrom+Buff = expensive defense). Still, whatever keeps Stu's minutes down is a good thing.

All in all though I just want Chevy to stick to his guns - this is an RFA contract after all. Fair value for Trouba is a pretty darn good deal - Reilly $$ and term is fair IMO if not a little generous. And I do think the Jets have done more than the average team in terms of trying to make Trouba comfy in the Peg. So Stu aside I don't think at any point the Jets have been unfair in handling Trouba.

 

[Eyeseeing]

GM has to run the show. The Kane trade worked out fine for the Jets. I'm really not that concerned about how it worked out for Kane. If Trouba wants out, then it should be on Chevy's timetable, not Trouba's. The Jets have actually done quite a bit to try to support Trouba, including bringing in his best buddy (Copp) and hiring his brother to come and stay with him. If he's sour because he had to play with Stuart, then I don't have that much sympathy for him. He's on his ELC, for crying out loud. Rielly didn't gripe having to play with Hunwick. Trouba got as much ice-time, and almost as much PP ice-time as Rielly did in his first 3 seasons.

I think it either boils down to Trouba having a hard-case agent who will squeeze every last penny out of Chevy (who's a grinder in negotiations himself), or Trouba just wants to play in a different market. Either way, Chevy is in the driver's seat and should use that position to ensure that the Jets end up with the best possible outcome, either through a contract or a trade.

If you have to bring in friends and relatives to keep someone happy that's a red flag for me as far as someone being content

 

[Whileee]

That's a very pro Jets POV imo. If that were true, if I was Trouba I would make it very clear to everyone I want to be traded. Team screwed over Kane for several years. Yes Kane is a ****** bag, but the team screwed him over to a degree by not honoring his request for multi years.

Play the guy where he should be played and stop trying to squeeze him for every dime. Counter argument.

Usage Trouba has been completely screwed from what I've seen and no one has even debated that so I assume we all agree. So it's simple correct his usage now and pay him fair market value for his skill level and don't punish him for taking the Stuart bullet for the team.

Easy

No evidence that playing with Stuart has altered the Jets' contract offers to him. For all we know, they'll give him a bump for playing so well with such a poor partner.

You seem to think that young players are entitled to being played in ways that maximize their individual value, even on their ELC. Scheifele was sent back to junior twice and then played on RW and on lower lines for his first few seasons. He didn't get to play with top-line players until Little went down with an injury. He didn't gripe, and nobody needs to feel sorry for him.

I like Trouba as a player, and I think he had an onerous task playing with Stuart. But I think you are going way overboard in supporting him and Kane against the supposed "nasty" Jets' leadership.

 

[nobody important]

If you have to bring in friends and relatives to keep someone happy that's a red flag for me as far as someone being content

I expect the brother is here to provide a stable family influence.

 

[Eyeseeing]

I expect the brother is here to provide a stable family influence.

I get that , I'm am not saying with any certainty he doesn't want to be here.
I am saying that would concern me if I was the GM.
Also want to add it's not an indictment of Trouba or his character either.
I like him as a player but IF he isn't content here best for both parties to move on IF need be.
Have NO idea how he feels like everyone else

 

[Whileee]

I expect the brother is here to provide a stable family influence.

I get that , I'm am not saying with any certainty he doesn't want to be here.
I am saying that would concern me if I was the GM.
Also want to add it's not an indictment of Trouba or his character either.
I like him as a player but IF he isn't content here best for both parties to move on IF need be.
Have NO idea how he feels like everyone else

Trouba began with a couple of years living with Bogo. I think it was good for all sides that his living arrangement changed to Copp and his brother.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

If you have to bring in friends and relatives to keep someone happy that's a red flag for me as far as someone being content

It is those kinds of things we can't speculate on here so if people know things(or think they know) we can't post it here.

Those things are big factor in these negotiations

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

I think Trouba('s agent) is fighting for over fair market value. IMO the market has been set, by many comparable D-men signing long term deals. I feel the Jets would be happy to pay out a similar contract, but Trouba is looking for more.

just a gut feeling.