Speculation: Trouba Contract Discussion Part II

[Gil Fisher]

I get my gas at Costco. It's cheaper.

There is no Costco in Prada.

 

[surixon]

I feel like there are some unfair things being said.

When did Trouba show up to camp out of shape? Sincere question I did not hear that last off season?

So Jacob goes to visit Zach "and his wife and baby" for a few days and that is an issue?

On the flip side Jacob is training with our new captain Wheeler this summer in Florida who is one of our fittest players on the team but that seems to be getting no love? Seems like they are also spending some time together as well (draft night dinner as one example), yet little mention of the good stuff.

Is every guy that doesn't go to Roberts academy a problem and are they all out of shape? I have seen Trouba on Instagram in a photo at the beach and the kid was really fit looking. Is Jacob being held to a different standard than Lowry, Little, Wheeler, Ehlers, Buff, Toby, Stu, etc etc?

I don't mean to single you out FishWhiskey because the narrative around this kid is wide spread. I love Winnipeg but just ask any guy who is a Jets fan that I know at least and they say the same thing. Did we run Bogo out of town....maybe? Kane (which was a good thing)? Now our Winnipeg Jets sewing circle appears to have their sites set on Jacob. Lord help us if a 21 year old makes a mistake.

The Blackhawks would have zero cups if they were based out of here because the Jets are choir boys compared to yada yada and we would have eaten them up and spit them out long before they had a cup.

The sleazy agent thing we are in complete agreement on but I am guessing that was Jacob's camp that had that bright idea more than Jacob himself.

Anyways hopefully we get a deal done here after the World Cup but before the season starts. I would look forward to the blood hounds being called off for a while if Trouba signs.

I think the whole out of shape thing stems from the offseason leading into his sophomore year for us. If I recall correctly he went to Roberts camp that summer and the format didn't agree with him. This coupled with some not too positive words from Roberts likely painted the picture in some fans minds that he didn't want to work in the offseason. I myself think that he likely didn't have the best summer of training that year due to him being in an environment that he wasn't happy in. He didn't look to be keeping pace in some of the quicker drills in the team skated prior to camp which imo somewhat substantiats this. Having said that I'm not at all sure why he still is taking heat for it. I'm sure that summer he shelled out big bucks to attend the supposed mecha Roberts camp. The environment wasn't for him so he has since found one that is.

Making mistakes and learning from them while continuing to seek ways of doing things that fit who you are as a person is all part of growing as a professional. We have had other young players who have made mistakes with their offseason training workouts only to learn from it and correct it moving forward.

I don't think there is anything wrong with Trouba's fitness and commitment to being a professional.

 

[puck stoppa]

I get my gas at Costco. It's cheaper.

Use your coop card and you'll get more back per litre, and in a lump sum I might add. 150-200$ per year.

 

[puck stoppa]

I think the whole out of shape thing stems from the offseason leading into his sophomore year for us. If I recall correctly he went to Roberts camp that summer and the format didn't agree with him. This coupled with some not too positive words from Roberts likely painted the picture in some fans minds that he didn't want to work in the offseason. I myself think that he likely didn't have the best summer of training that year due to him being in an environment that he wasn't happy in. He didn't look to be keeping pace in some of the quicker drills in the team skated prior to camp which imo somewhat substantiats this. Having said that I'm not at all sure why he still is taking heat for it. I'm sure that summer he shelled out big bucks to attend the supposed mecha Roberts camp. The environment wasn't for him so he has since found one that is.

Making mistakes and learning from them while continuing to seek ways of doing things that fit who you are as a person is all part of growing as a professional. We have had other young players who have made mistakes with their offseason training workouts only to learn from it and correct it moving forward.

I don't think there is anything wrong with Trouba's fitness and commitment to being a professional.

And I think people thought he didn't take training seriously last summer csuse he took a holiday to Australia. What people don't know is these guys need a break from training after the season, I think he worked out with wheeler once he got back, but that could be where that stems from.

 

[Hunter368]

I don't blame Trouba for any thing, I hope he gets what he wants, assuming fair market value for his skill level (which might not be what the team is offering). I would be pissed off or annoyed with management if I was him as well.

 

[Aavco Cup]

I don't blame Trouba for any thing, I hope he gets what he wants, assuming fair market value for his skill level (which might not be what the team is offering). I would be pissed off or annoyed with management if I was him as well.

how can you make that conclusion without knowing any details about the negotiations? I could just as easily say the Jets should be pissed off with Trouba for asking for more than the market says he's worth. Neither statement is anything more than speculation.

 

[Hunter368]

how can you make that conclusion without knowing any details about the negotiations? I could just as easily say the Jets should be pissed off with Trouba for asking for more than the market says he's worth. Neither statement is anything more than speculation.

You'll notice my comment about fair market value?

Their usage of him has or potentially has hurt his earning potential on this contract and his next one (intentionally or just poor asset management?). Again depending how it works out, but where there is smoke there is often fire.

 

[Aavco Cup]

You'll notice my comment about fair market value?

Their usage of him has or potentially has hurt his earning potential on this contract and his next one (intentionally or just poor asset management?). Again depending how it works out, but where there is smoke there is often fire.

Why is Trouba pissed off at the Jets? Or why should he be? What are you basing that statement on?

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Usage is earned not granted and his fair market value is very comparable to a lot of contracts already out there.

Do you honestly think the Jets are the ones that are turning down a 5 million a year contract for 7 years?

 

[Hunter368]

Why is Trouba pissed off at the Jets? Or why should he be? What are you basing that statement on?

Sorry, I added two words in original post that I shouldn't have. Let me slightly reword it.

I wouldn't blame Trouba if he was pissed off or annoyed with the Jets. Sticking him on 3rd pairing with Stu and limiting his special teams play, not sure about zone starts (but good question), etc. These things will hurt his ability to negotiate for increased money b/c it significantly reduces his chances to get points, hurts his stats, etc. Thus hurts this contract and his next one as well.

Don't we all want to be put in a situation where we can succeed and achieve our potential?

I'm not in sales, but many here are I'm sure at one point in their career. What if your boss scheduled you on the slowest sales day every shift of the year? You would find another place to work quick.

Have to wonder if the Jets have intentionally tempered/limited his usage to reduce his ability to negotiate on this contract or are they only ones who don't see Trouba as much better then bloody Myers.

Usage is earned not granted and his fair market value is very comparable to a lot of contracts already out there.

Do you honestly think the Jets are the ones that are turning down a 5 million a year contract for 7 years?

Are you saying Myers is a better player and deserves to play ahead of Trouba on special teams?

You have no idea what the Jets are offering, maybe it's 3.5 million per year over 8 years. Pure speculation

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Sorry, I added two words in original post that I shouldn't have. Let me slightly reword it.

I wouldn't blame Trouba if he was pissed off or annoyed with the Jets. Sticking him on 3rd pairing with Stu and limiting his special teams play, not sure about zone starts (but good question), etc. These things will hurt his ability to negotiate for increased money b/c it significantly reduces his chances to get points, hurts his stats, etc. Thus hurts this contract and his next one as well.

Don't we all want to be put in a situation where we can succeed and achieve our potential?

I'm not in sales, but many here are I'm sure at one point in their career. What if your boss scheduled you on the slowest sales day every shift of the year? You would find another place to work quick.

Have to wonder if the Jets have intentionally tempered/limited his usage to reduce his ability to negotiate on this contract or are they only ones who don't see Trouba as much better then bloody Myers.



Are you saying Myers is a better player and deserves to play ahead of Trouba on special teams?

You have no idea what the Jets are offering, maybe it's 3.5 million per year over 8 years. Pure speculation

It isn't up to me where Trouba plays it is up to the coach.

I don't think it is speculation. I think he and his agent want more and a lot more then that because they want to force a move from the Jets.

 

[Hunter368]

It isn't up to me where Trouba plays it is up to the coach.

I don't think it is speculation. I think he and his agent want more and a lot more then that because they want to force a move from the Jets.

Yes coach decides, his decision might of been best for the team (put Trouba with Stu, instead of Myers)....but that hurts Trouba's earning potential now. So Trouba might get punished for being better then Myers? Punished for taking a bullet for the team?

If I was Trouba I would be asking full market value, not the deflated value based off my usage to date. Plus I would say start playing me FT on special teams.......or trade me. If he doesn't say this his big Ufa contract could be hurt b/c teams usage, not Trouba's ability

 

[surixon]

Sorry, I added two words in original post that I shouldn't have. Let me slightly reword it.

I wouldn't blame Trouba if he was pissed off or annoyed with the Jets. Sticking him on 3rd pairing with Stu and limiting his special teams play, not sure about zone starts (but good question), etc. These things will hurt his ability to negotiate for increased money b/c it significantly reduces his chances to get points, hurts his stats, etc. Thus hurts this contract and his next one as well.

Don't we all want to be put in a situation where we can succeed and achieve our potential?

I'm not in sales, but many here are I'm sure at one point in their career. What if your boss scheduled you on the slowest sales day every shift of the year? You would find another place to work quick.

Have to wonder if the Jets have intentionally tempered/limited his usage to reduce his ability to negotiate on this contract or are they only ones who don't see Trouba as much better then bloody Myers.



Are you saying Myers is a better player and deserves to play ahead of Trouba on special teams?

You have no idea what the Jets are offering, maybe it's 3.5 million per year over 8 years. Pure speculation

You raise some good points but I'm sure many players would like to be put in different situations. That's always an issue in team settings sometimes you are placed in situations your not thrilled with because it's better for the team. The season before last it appeared that Trouba played the shut down role to perfection imo this was one of the reasons we made the playoffs. The Jets likely tried to replicate that last year but the wheels fell off due to Stuart being worse than usual and Trouba suffered for it.

I don't blame him for not liking his partner or blame him for wanting more pp time but I do take issue if he's unhappy playing what I feel is a key role on the team at ES. If all he wants is offensive glory than perhaps it's best to move him.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Yes coach decides, his decision might of been best for the team (put Trouba with Stu, instead of Myers)....but that hurts Trouba's earning potential now. So Trouba might get punished for being better then Myers? Punished for taking a bullet for the team?

If I was Trouba I would be asking full market value, not the deflated value based off my usage to date. Plus I would say start playing me FT on special teams.......or trade me. If he doesn't say this his big Ufa contract could be hurt b/c teams usage, not Trouba's ability

What is his value then because he isn't worth more then Seth Jones

 

[Hunter368]

You raise some good points but I'm sure many players would like to be put in different situations. That's always an issue in team settings sometimes you are placed in situations your not thrilled with because it's better for the team. The season before last it appeared that Trouba played the shut down role to perfection imo this was one of the reasons we made the playoffs. The Jets likely tried to replicate that last year but the wheels fell off due to Stuart being worse than usual and Trouba suffered for it.

I don't blame him for not liking his partner or blame him for wanting more pp time but I do take issue if he's unhappy playing what I feel is a key role on the team at ES. If all he wants is offensive glory than perhaps it's best to move him.

Yes I'm playing a bit of the Devils advocate here, slow off season and Trouba is the last move this summer.

ES time no issues. ES playing partner sucks, so hurts Trouba. But OZ starts, special teams, etc is critical at negotiate time. If I was Trouba now, I would say are you playing me more on special teams? Are you forcing me to play with one of the worse D partners in the entire NHL for the balance of his contract?

Depending on their answers, depends if I demand a trade. Regardless of all that I want full market value, not the diminished value b/c of my usage.

 

[Hunter368]

What is his value then because he isn't worth more then Seth Jones

I wouldn't argue that, but we don't know he would argue it either. We don't know if the Jets offer is same or much lower. If it was lower, it's like an insult to Trouba. Trouba did as he w told, carry the third pairing on your back for three years b/c Myers would be worse at it.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Sorry, I added two words in original post that I shouldn't have. Let me slightly reword it.

I wouldn't blame Trouba if he was pissed off or annoyed with the Jets. Sticking him on 3rd pairing with Stu and limiting his special teams play, not sure about zone starts (but good question), etc. These things will hurt his ability to negotiate for increased money b/c it significantly reduces his chances to get points, hurts his stats, etc. Thus hurts this contract and his next one as well.

Don't we all want to be put in a situation where we can succeed and achieve our potential?

I'm not in sales, but many here are I'm sure at one point in their career. What if your boss scheduled you on the slowest sales day every shift of the year? You would find another place to work quick.

Have to wonder if the Jets have intentionally tempered/limited his usage to reduce his ability to negotiate on this contract or are they only ones who don't see Trouba as much better then bloody Myers.



Are you saying Myers is a better player and deserves to play ahead of Trouba on special teams?

You have no idea what the Jets are offering, maybe it's 3.5 million per year over 8 years. Pure speculation

I'm not buying that conspiracy theory at all. Coaches are not wired that way

 

[Hunter368]

I'm not buying that conspiracy theory at all. Coaches are not wired that way

OK, then they used him to carry the third pairing for three years b/c they knew he would do a better job then Myers. Either way, Trouba is getting screwed by usage to the teams benefit. So now Trouba should be punished for taking the bullet for the team?

 

[Aavco Cup]

OK, then they used him to carry the third pairing for three years b/c they knew he would do a better job then Myers. Either way, Trouba is getting screwed by usage to the teams benefit. So now Trouba should be punished for taking the bullet for the team?

Maybe Maurice and Huddy used him where they thought he gave them the best chance to win? I doubt they thought 2 seconds about Trouba's next contract. Maurice often talked about getting Trouba more ice time.

 

[surixon]

OK, then they used him to carry the third pairing for three years b/c they knew he would do a better job then Myers. Either way, Trouba is getting screwed by usage to the teams benefit. So now Trouba should be punished for taking the bullet for the team?

Do we really know that he's getting punished for it in these negotiations?

For all we know the team has offered a very fair deal at around the $30 million mark for 6 years. I mean Rielly had no issue signing it that deal despite Babcock punishing him by not playing him on the pp for a good chunk of last year so that he could concentrate on his play without the puck,

 

[Whileee]

It isn't up to me where Trouba plays it is up to the coach.

I don't think it is speculation. I think he and his agent want more and a lot more then that because they want to force a move from the Jets.

Fastest way out of Winnipeg is signing a good, market-level deal and then quietly asking for a trade.

That gives Chevy options on the trade market with a signed asset. My guess is that Chevy is reluctant to trade Trouba without knowing how Myers bounces back from off-season surgery.

 

[Hunter368]

Maybe Maurice and Huddy used him where they thought he gave them the best chance to win? I doubt they thought 2 seconds about Trouba's next contract. Maurice often talked about getting Trouba more ice time.

Your saying the same thing as my post. Played him to the greatest benefit of the team, logical.....but hurts the player big time.

 

[Whileee]

What is his value then because he isn't worth more then Seth Jones

I think Trouba slots in between Rielly and Jones on a 6-year deal (maybe around $5.25M per year). Rielly likely signed a bit below market value, and the Jets might be willing to pay a small premium.

My guess is that either they are just haggling over AAV for various terms, or Trouba really doesn't want to stay in Winnipeg long-term.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Your saying the same thing as my post. Played him to the greatest benefit of the team, logical.....but hurts the player big time.

Players don't like winning?

 

[Hunter368]

Do we really know that he's getting punished for it in these negotiations?

For all we know the team has offered a very fair deal at around the $30 million mark for 6 years. I mean Rielly had no issue signing it that deal despite Babcock punishing him by not playing him on the pp for a good chunk of last year so that he could concentrate on his play without the puck,

Don't know what the Jets are offering, only speculation