Speculation: Trouba Contract Discussion Part II
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Unholy goalie
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Yeah.. the downward spiral of speculation has gone on long enough.
I think your thought about a reasonable long term contract makes sense if being traded is top priority for Trouba. I suspect, though, that the holdup has more to do with dollars. Getting a bridge deal is a more effective way of maximizing his income while also retaining more control over leaving.
I hope Chevy stands his ground here and now even though it'll likely drag things out further.
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[With] training camps for the world cup starting this week, I wonder if Trouba is going to give anything up about contract negotiations when interviewed . I'm sure he'll be a pro... I'm just curious whether he'll be open to talking about it or not.
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[Both] Risto and Lindholm made minor comments about their situations recently so maybe Trouba will comment but I am not expecting anything of substance but we'll see.
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He will say that his agent is handling all negotiations and he isn't part of the process and when something develops he will have his agent fill him in....
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So we keep hearing that usage is an issue with the negotiations. Between that and Maurice tempering expectations on Mark Stuart(one might even call it souring), is it possible that's due to the negotiations with Trouba and his agent?
I'd imagine they would've come armed with stats and video and they have a point. I've said for a while now that they're sandbagging Trouba. Without Trouba Mark Stuart likely doesn't have a contract right now.
I'd imagine they would've come armed with stats and video and they have a point. I've said for a while now that they're sandbagging Trouba. Without Trouba Mark Stuart likely doesn't have a contract right now.
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It's very likely that Chevy over-emphasized Stuart's worth on the bottom pairing with Trouba, and then realized later that Trouba was the one carrying that dead weight, so rather than try to limit Stuart's ice time, he sought to get the value out of the contract he gave Stuart (same rationale one can apply to Pavelec). Stuart having his A removed is a good sign that things may be changing on that blue line. If the difference between a signed Trouba and a traded Trouba is a Mark Stuart, I would gladly eat the cost of press-boxing Stuart and playing Trouba with Buff.
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Sooooo my family ran into Stu Saturday morning as he was on the way to the lake with his wife......I didn't recognize him with his ball hat on but my wife pointed him out. We were all in Prada Esso and I was ashamed with myself. My wife said to my son he should say hello but my son was too embarrassed and I can only assume it's because his dad speaks so poorly of Stu on this board not that my 7 year old would know that. 
Guilt.....shame......all the emotions were running through me and I was hoping they would catch up to us on the highway and run us off the road because I deserve it.
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Guilt.....shame......all the emotions were running through me and I was hoping they would catch up to us on the highway and run us off the road because I deserve it.
The end
puck stoppa
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Sooooo my family ran into Stu Saturday morning as he was on the way to the lake with his wife......I didn't recognize him with his ball hat on but my wife pointed him out. We were all in Prada Esso and I was ashamed with myself. My wife said to my son he should say hello but my son was too embarrassed and I can only assume it's because his dad speaks so poorly of Stu on this board not that my 7 year old would know that.
Guilt.....shame......all the emotions were running through me and I was hoping they would catch up to us on the highway and run us off the road because I deserve it.
The end
The least you could've done was show him this thread......... wimp!
Unholy goalie
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This.
I'm sure this transition is fast-tracked somewhat by these negotiations, but it was bound to happen sooner rather than later. However, Stuart being in the press box doesn't change much if Trouba is used outside the top 4. I think that he wants to be compensated for playing the offhand since he has a clear argument for why he is better than Myers (and hence should be the 2nd RHD).
josh donaldson will leave around 50 million on the table this year and next 2 because he is not an ufa. and will be into his 30's when he becomes one. yet a 22 year old rfa hockey player gets to say where he plays in line up and who might sit in press box or who might get traded to make him happy. sorry but he hasn't earned the right to demand anything yet.
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When did Stuart become Pavalec 2.0 on this board? He had a terrible season for sure, but I think general sentiments here are a bit overstated.
Trouba was weak last year, especially in the first half. This came after taking a big step backwards in his second season. I don't blame his partner for that. He needs to own his play and it has progressively deteriorated each year since he came into the league. I feel like too many here are pinning too much of that on Stuart.
Trouba was weak last year, especially in the first half. This came after taking a big step backwards in his second season. I don't blame his partner for that. He needs to own his play and it has progressively deteriorated each year since he came into the league. I feel like too many here are pinning too much of that on Stuart.
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One of the challenges is that Jacob had allot of puck luck his first season in the league. He generated less shots but got more points because his shooting % was really high (8.5 %). Having that flukey scoring year set fans expectations pretty high that he was going to be a 40 point a year type D man but he took allot of risks his first season too. I felt his game matured allot and he was better in season two.....his shot generation increased by 10% while he took less risks but he was less flukey and his scoring normalized a bit as his shooting % dropped to a bit more sustainable 5.3% which hurt his scoring numbers. Season 3 his shot generation was still better than his rookie season but not as good as his sophomore season. I felt last year he got a slow start but one of the challenges is as a pair he and Stu were tasked with playing a shut down roll more early with Burmi Lowry Stafford and that unit of 5 struggled.
I think Jacob has become more rounded while getting less flukey shooting 8.3%, 5.3%, 4.9%.....I look forward to watching him play more with Buff and getting a bit more puck luck. That and if he replaced Myers on the second PP unit (since he is better on the PP than Myers) I think his scoring numbers would be around 30-35 points most seasons while playing a solid all around top pairing game with an edge.
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If Trouba was making the same money as Donaldson we probably wouldn't have an issue.
Trouba's case is complicated by the fact that the Jets got caught with their hand in the honey pot, so to speak. They were taking advantage of Trouba's play to bolster the third pairing, likely masquerading that usage as "development". Statistically speaking Trouba plays pretty consistently within top 4 range, often in and around top 2. Enough to legitimately claim that he should be ahead of Myers on the depth chart.
I'm not sure what more you expect Trouba to do to "earn his right" to play in the top 4, but I think he's justified in expressing some frustration with the opportunity he's been given so far.
we all want trouba in top 4 we can agree on that. the only thing he hasn't earned is the right to do is demand anything. just like any other job that comes with tenure. and like dave poulin said on h+l if he just outplayed buff and myers then jets would have no choice but to play him ahead of them.
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Trouba has averaged close to 23 minutes per game the last couple of years, in no universe is that bottom pairing usage. He's averaged roughly 30 seconds of ice time per game less than Myers the last two years. That's hardly enough to say the org clearly rates Myers ahead of him. I think he was paired with Stuart because he was the only one that could make that pairing work. That is a testament to his ability not due to the Jets undervaluing him.
So it looks like there is a possibility of this dragging into training camp/start of the season.
Not sure this is in either parties best interest but I'll wait to see how this plays out.
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I guess Overhardt is willing to let Trouba shine in the tournament (and waiting for Lindholm/Risto to sign in the process). A lose-lose situation for us really, unless team NA gets absolutely smoked. But then again, it's not a win-win situation for Trouba and his camp either.
I think this will go up to close to the start of the regular season, or perhaps a little beyond.
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