Proposal: Trouba all encompassing trade thread

[PatrikOverAuston]

Chevy is extremely comfortable not allowing a 22 year old RFA dictate hockey ops.

That's cute, as "Chevy" has already allowed a 22-year-old to dictate his decision-making process by sitting idle for so long.

Trouba has been dissatisfied for months. That much is clear. By letting this carry over into camp, by not making a trade before Overhardt went public with the trade request- hell, by not dealing with this last season- Cheveldayoff put himself in the worst position possible. He allowed his pride and this pay-your-dues mentality that's rampant in the NHL to poison his approach, and now he has a disgruntled player diddling on the other side of the border for the foreseeable future.

Pre-season starts tomorrow. Unfortunately, that's far too late for Cheveldayoff and Winnipeg to extract maximum value out of this situation. Contrary to popular belief on the Jets board, the team only has themselves to blame. It's really that simple.

 

[ffh]

That's cute, as "Chevy" has already allowed a 22-year-old to dictate his decision-making process by sitting idle for so long.

Trouba has been dissatisfied for months. That much is clear. By letting this carry over into camp, by not making a trade before Overhardt went public with the trade request- hell, by not dealing with this last season- Cheveldayoff put himself in the worst position possible. He allowed his pride and this pay-your-dues mentality that's rampant in the NHL to poison his approach, and now he has a disgruntled player diddling on the other side of the border for the foreseeable future.

Pre-season starts tomorrow. Unfortunately, that's far too late for Cheveldayoff and Winnipeg to extract maximum value out of this situation. Contrary to popular belief on the Jets board, the team only has themselves to blame. It's really that simple.

I know why you think like this because you have been used to oiler management incompetence for a long time . but this is how competent gm's handle it. you want a trade Jacob. good. we are not trading you,see you on dec 1st when you out almost a million and 4 years of rfa years are is still owing to us, i will have contract ready for you to sign then.

 

[TNCHL]

Trouba right now

 

[Street Hawk]

That's cute, as "Chevy" has already allowed a 22-year-old to dictate his decision-making process by sitting idle for so long.

Trouba has been dissatisfied for months. That much is clear. By letting this carry over into camp, by not making a trade before Overhardt went public with the trade request- hell, by not dealing with this last season- Cheveldayoff put himself in the worst position possible. He allowed his pride and this pay-your-dues mentality that's rampant in the NHL to poison his approach, and now he has a disgruntled player diddling on the other side of the border for the foreseeable future.

Pre-season starts tomorrow. Unfortunately, that's far too late for Cheveldayoff and Winnipeg to extract maximum value out of this situation. Contrary to popular belief on the Jets board, the team only has themselves to blame. It's really that simple.

This whole thing is about money, don't let the press release by the Trouba camp fool you. If the Jets were offering a deal in the Jones/Hamilton range, I doubt Trouba would be asking for a trade. $7 million is out of the question. That is Doughty money and he had a Norris finalist year during ELC. Ekblad just got $7.5 over 8 years, but he has a Calder and is considered above Trouba. For some reason Dmen, and it seems like it has been historically, that they get less than forwards. Top young forwards get $6 million out of ELC, while Dmen get under $6 million lately.

I don't think the Jets are offering that. But, then Trouba doesn't want to do a bridge because he isn't very good on the left side, and thus knows he won't be able to up his value on his next contract.

Jets need to make the best of this situation.

IMO, they should move Trouba for the best value they can get. I would target NHL calibre players. I would avoid draft picks for sure. Only prospects I would be interested in are ones that can legitimately contribute at the NHL this coming season. Plus, age of the players coming back is important. Trouba is 22, so I wouldn't want anyone over 25 coming back as the main piece.

At the same time, I would call up Anaheim and inquire about a Ehlers for Fowler/Depres deal. Jets get a LHD who is young and signed long term, while the Ducks get a young ELC scoring winger with speed.

If I project the Jet's top 9, it has:
Wheeler, Scheiffle, Little as guys who have been around.
Armia, Lemieux, Dano, Petan - young players who should be ready to crack the NHL roster now or have already been up with the big club
Laine, Connor - high draft picks that should crack the big club.

Add in whatever the Jets can deal Trouba for, that allows them to move Ehlers for that LHD.

Chances of moving a D for D like this are slim.

 

[Snarky Coyote]

No one knows the truth in these things, agents and Gm's each have their own agenda. This is acceptable under the contract and hopefully the Jets will get a decent return for their player. these things don't normally end well though.

 

[gwh]

Anaheim, Minnesota and Philly are probably the only teams that we can realistically make a deal with.

There is no deal with MIN if Trouba's ask doesn't start with 4 or lower.

 

[Ropesman]

I do not understand how some Jets fans think Trouba siting for a few months doesn't hurt his value immensely. His value will only drop once his sits out of an entire training camp, teams will be more hesitant to trade for a guy who hasn't played in 1-2-maybe 3 months (however long it takes to find this apple). Especially when going to a new team, right now is Chevy's best time to make the deal.

I understand the other side of it as well though, they are a professional sports organization and they can not let a player dictate how they do things. If a deal were to happen right away after this circus of a statement being released what kind of message does that send to the rest of the Jets, future Jets, and heck even the rest of the league.

Really do feel for Jets fans on this one, this isn't just some mid tier guy Trouba is a really nice piece to have on any team. I'm sure you would all rather be talking about anything other then this nonsense.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

As a neutral fan I see Gardiner+Something Small for Trouba as a very fair deal.


I'd like to add Trouba to my team but we really don't have the assets to get it done. Well we have the assets but nothing that really fits here.

I'd trade EJ and Pickard for Trouba but that doesn't meet the needs of Winnipeg. Zadorov and Bigras cant be the main pieces since the Avs don't have the cap space plus I really don't know if I'd trade either of those for him anyway. Certainly not Zads. Not that Bigras or Zadorov are/will be better than Trouba but they fill a much bigger need on the left side and are cost controlled for longer. Trouba would be 3rd on the Colorado RHD depth chart.

 

[JetsHomer]

I do not understand how some Jets fans think Trouba siting for a few months doesn't hurt his value immensely. His value will only drop once his sits out of an entire training camp, teams will be more hesitant to trade for a guy who hasn't played in 1-2-maybe 3 months (however long it takes to find this apple). Especially when going to a new team, right now is Chevy's best time to make the deal.

I understand the other side of it as well though, they are a professional sports organization and they can not let a player dictate how they do things. If a deal were to happen right away after this circus of a statement being released what kind of message does that send to the rest of the Jets, future Jets, and heck even the rest of the league.

Really do feel for Jets fans on this one, this isn't just some mid tier guy Trouba is a really nice piece to have on any team. I'm sure you would all rather be talking about anything other then this nonsense.

Trouba's deadline is December 1st, if he holdout pass that date CBA says he has to sit for the year. He'd be forfeiting millions of dollars by sitting out. He'd be smarter to sign a bridge contract and make some money and raise his value around the league and look for a trade in the off-season. I doubt it comes to that, I think he'll likely be traded within the next couple weeks

 

[Royale With Cheese]

The only other "apples" around are Lindholm and Risto. I really, really doubt the Jets are getting an "apple" back. It's gonna be a downgrade with a plus.

Who's to say the Jets won't add a piece or two to get their "apple"? This likely won't be a one for one deal.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Who's to say the Jets won't add a piece or two to get their "apple"? This likely won't be a one for one deal.

That's just not how trades work when one team has their back to the wall. When players request trades that team usually ends up getting a lesser piece back with some pieces.

If Winnipeg can somehow add to Trouba and get a better player that's a fantastic move by them but I don't see it happening.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

For some reason, my gut tells me he's going either to Edmonton or Arizona. Nurse and Chychrun would assumedly be coming back.

On a side note, my gut is never correct.

 

[Liferleafer]

Who's to say the Jets won't add a piece or two to get their "apple"? This likely won't be a one for one deal.

I assume one of the "apples" you speak of is Lindholm? Why would Anaheim downgrade? Why not just pay Lindholm? Hell...this is a bargaining chip for them, "hey Lindholm, sign this contract or off to the Peg you go....".

 

[HockeyGuruPitka]

Would Winnipeg entertain

Tor 1st 2017

for

Trouba

 

[cljbice]

You heard it here
Edmonton 1st 2017 plus yak

 

[Magic Man]

Would Winnipeg entertain

Tor 1st 2017

for

Trouba

The Leafs would be smart to avoid that. At the very least put top-3 protection on the pick.

The best deal for both sides appears to be a Gardiner++ based exchange. With the ++'s being Dermott and the Leafs highest 2nd in 2017.

 

[mobizziness]

To Toronto: Trouba

To Winnipeg: Sami Vatanen + 2nd (WPG) + 3nd (TOR)

To Anaheim: JVR

Picks can be thrown around differently, just an example

 

[HockeyGuruPitka]

The Leafs would be smart to avoid that. At the very least put top-3 protection on the pick.

The best deal for both sides appears to be a Gardiner++ based exchange.

I think leaving that out is the gamble that makes it worth it for Winnipeg. In my mind as a leaf fan, i compare our team to Buffalo last year. A season used to grow with marginal improvements. Could see us finishing around 8th overall with Trouba filling out the back end. Now it could see disaster and have us finishing bottom 3, but hey thats the gamble. Personally see it hard for a team to find a guy as good as Trouba in next years draft.

Rielly Zaitsev
Gardiner Trouba
Hunwick Marincin
Polak
Carrick

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I assume one of the "apples" you speak of is Lindholm? Why would Anaheim downgrade? Why not just pay Lindholm? Hell...this is a bargaining chip for them, "hey Lindholm, sign this contract or off to the Peg you go....".

So many people bringing up the Ducks in these Trouba threads and it makes absolutely zero sense.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

To Toronto: Trouba

To Winnipeg: Sami Vatanen + 2nd (WPG) + 3nd (TOR)

To Anaheim: JVR

Picks can be thrown around differently, just an example

can't see us moving vats for JVR... would have to likely be fowler

 

[Seachd]

Not sure which thread this should go in:

 

[garyturner3]

I do not understand how some Jets fans think Trouba siting for a few months doesn't hurt his value immensely. His value will only drop once his sits out of an entire training camp, teams will be more hesitant to trade for a guy who hasn't played in 1-2-maybe 3 months (however long it takes to find this apple). Especially when going to a new team, right now is Chevy's best time to make the deal.

I understand the other side of it as well though, they are a professional sports organization and they can not let a player dictate how they do things. If a deal were to happen right away after this circus of a statement being released what kind of message does that send to the rest of the Jets, future Jets, and heck even the rest of the league.

Really do feel for Jets fans on this one, this isn't just some mid tier guy Trouba is a really nice piece to have on any team. I'm sure you would all rather be talking about anything other then this nonsense.

It obviously does, some fans just refuse to accept it. Maybe that results in management playing hardball and Trouba eventually caving just like Drouin did, but the value is without a doubt lessened or deals in these situations would be easy. Their asking price is an equivalent D which makes sense, but the chances of them getting that are next to nothing or it would have been done by now because you can be sure they've been working the phones all summer whether they admit that or not. If they want a D back, they'll have to settle for a somewhat lesser quality one. Doesn't mean they can't get a quality d-man in return, but they're clearly not getting one of equal or greater value now that they're in this position. In all likelihood, the deal that goes down will be a quantity for quality type deal since that's how these things normally pan out despite the fact most posters on here like to state they're not interested in quantity. Quantity can still mean a good d-man with less value than Trouba + some other pieces. The best player in the deal IF it eventually happens will undoubtedly be Trouba though.

 

[Magic Man]

So many people bringing up the Ducks in these Trouba threads and it makes absolutely zero sense.

They are not directly involved, Trouba to the Ducks makes no sense. But, if the Leafs bounce into Trouba it will be by moving Gardiner, opening up a hole at 2nd pairing LHD making them more willing to help the Ducks with their cap situation. I could also see there being a rare 3-way trade between the teams depending on how all the management teams view Fowler and Gardiner.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Not sure which thread this should go in:

Glad that BobMc put that to rest, never made any sense.

They are not directly involved, Trouba to the Ducks makes no sense. But, if the Leafs bounce into Trouba it will be by moving Gardiner, opening up a hole at 2nd pairing LHD making them more willing to help the Ducks with their cap situation. I could also see there being a rare 3-way trade between the teams depending on how all the management teams view Fowler and Gardiner.

I was more referring to the Lindholm talks, trading him for Trouba does nothing at all to help Anaheim.

 

[Fire Sweeney]

Trouba+Connor for Marchand+Chara