Proposal: Trouba all encompassing trade thread

[Hunter368]

And just like with the Islanders when they were looking for a d-man of equivalent ability for Travis Hamonic, there was a pretty short list of teams willing to make such a deal (see: no one).

It worked out okay for the Islanders because Hamonic eventually rescinded his trade request, will the Jets be as lucky?

Might be a bit easier for jets.

NYI wanted the rarier RHD back, we want LHD

Travis basically restricted NYI to a small number of teams near his family, jets can deal with the entire NHL in contrast.

Not saying easy, just a bit easier is all

 

[Jack de la Hoya]

Who does Philly have on the left side that's available outside of prospects?

Del Zotto is a top-4 LHD who is still in his prime at 26.

Otherwise, it would have to be a combination of a vet LHD and a prospect LHD.

 

[allan5oh]

Not clear if Chevy has told him this directly or if this is what he's gathered from other teams.

 

[Hunter368]

Agreed. Where was the poster who said no way to this when I posted this exact fact earlier?

No doubt silent now.

 

[Avs44]

Agreed. Where was the poster who said no way to this when I posted this exact fact earlier?

No doubt silent now.

He can look for that if he wants. Hockey starts in a few weeks, and the other GM"s are going to have their "apple" in their roster contributing. He's basically asking a team to trade him a left handed Trouba 2.0, but that GM is going to have their Trouba signed and playing. If you were that other team, how reasonable does that sound to you? What impetus is there to do that? We'll see how that plays out, but unless Chevy is an idiot, he's been looking for a trade since May and, so far, he's got nothing.

 

[Morbo]

Agreed. Where was the poster who said no way to this when I posted this exact fact earlier?

No doubt silent now.

well obviously nobody's offered an apple for the last 4 months, so...

 

[Le Golie]

He can look for that if he wants. Hockey starts in a few weeks, and the other GM"s are going to have their "apple" in their roster contributing. He's basically asking a team to trade him a left handed Trouba 2.0, but that GM is going to have their Trouba signed and playing. If you were that other team, how reasonable does that sound to you? What impetus is there to do that? We'll see how that plays out, but unless Chevy is an idiot, he's been looking for a trade since May and, so far, he's got nothing.

Chevy is extremely comfortable not allowing a 22 year old RFA dictate hockey ops. Trouba will wait til the Jets get what they want, or he changes his mind and suits up.

He hasn't got an ounce more leverage than Drouin or Hamonic had. Chevy is absolutely fine waiting, and he should be.

 

[SprootsMasterFlex]

Smells like a Maatta for Trouba deal... 1 for 1.

I could imagine Sullivan loving to get his hands on an a good old American Dman.
Maatta can also be a good mentor for Laine.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

The only other "apples" around are Lindholm and Risto. I really, really doubt the Jets are getting an "apple" back. It's gonna be a downgrade with a plus.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

did you miss the "similar ability" part?

Skjei is a very promising D in his own right

 

[Daximus]

He can look for that if he wants. Hockey starts in a few weeks, and the other GM"s are going to have their "apple" in their roster contributing. He's basically asking a team to trade him a left handed Trouba 2.0, but that GM is going to have their Trouba signed and playing. If you were that other team, how reasonable does that sound to you? What impetus is there to do that? We'll see how that plays out, but unless Chevy is an idiot, he's been looking for a trade since May and, so far, he's got nothing.

I think the angle here is to ask for something unlikely to make it look like they are playing ball. Once Trouba sits out for a few months because we get no takers, he reluctantly signs rather than not play at all. We know Chevy does not want to trade him. So he's playing hard ball a little bit. If we get a an apple for an apple we'd be dumb not to take it in this situation but I don't think that is the priority here at least for Chevy.

 

[trebendan]

Smells like a Maatta for Trouba deal... 1 for 1.

I could imagine Sullivan loving to get his hands on an a good old American Dman.
Maatta can also be a good mentor for Laine.

That looks pretty close to an apple for apple deal to me.

 

[hockeyfish]

The only other "apples" around are Lindholm and Risto. I really, really doubt the Jets are getting an "apple" back. It's gonna be a downgrade with a plus.

Lindholm is more of a ribeye steak vs an apple.

 

[McDLT]

The only other "apples" around are Lindholm and Risto. I really, really doubt the Jets are getting an "apple" back. It's gonna be a downgrade with a plus.

Yup. That is the way that I see it as well.

I REALLY hope that Chevy can get his apple, but I don't like his chances.

 

[Toby Flenderson]

Smells like a Maatta for Trouba deal... 1 for 1.

I could imagine Sullivan loving to get his hands on an a good old American Dman.
Maatta can also be a good mentor for Laine.

Would rather it be around Dumoulin

 

[Jetabre]

I trust Chevy and Co. to resolve this in a manner that won't make Jets fans riot.

 

[Hunter368]

He can look for that if he wants. Hockey starts in a few weeks, and the other GM"s are going to have their "apple" in their roster contributing. He's basically asking a team to trade him a left handed Trouba 2.0, but that GM is going to have their Trouba signed and playing. If you were that other team, how reasonable does that sound to you? What impetus is there to do that? We'll see how that plays out, but unless Chevy is an idiot, he's been looking for a trade since May and, so far, he's got nothing.

Your assuming the other Apple is signed already. Your also assuming no other team has a hockey need they need fixed. 1C & 1 RHD are the two hardest things to come by in the NHL. Trouba already performs at a #2/3 level with potential to become a #1 RHD, GM's will be drooling over that possibility. But I agree asking price one thing, reality might turn into something else. But you misquoted the post, it states Chevy wants Apple for Apple in quote that I quoted, that quote nor I stated anything about that Apple being another D. To my point in my post, I had previously stated Trouba will be traded quality for quality, not quantity......some other poster quoted me saying that would never happen we would only get quantity.

Real question which I think you were eluding to (which I agree with), will jets get the BPA that fills the need (LHD) or need to settle for just BPA.

 

[SCP Guy]

Every team that is interest already knows what it would take to sign him.... This entire he's a risk because he is unsigned is a stupid argument ... His agent has spoken to everyone already so other GMs know as much as Chevy

 

[McMatthews]

Maybe Connor Carrick and a pick or something for Trouba.

His development the last little while is a little worrying.

I like him as a player but it's totally possible he tops out as a #4 defenceman.

You don't sell the farm for someone like that.

He's no Lindholm, Rielly or even Maatta.

 

[Hunter368]

Every team that is interest already knows what it would take to sign him.... This entire he's a risk because he is unsigned is a stupid argument ... His agent has spoken to everyone already so other GMs know as much as Chevy

Correct, clearly not posters are following the story as closely. There is no risk as far as contract goes, teams know what it will take to sign him. Now Chevy waits until he gets the right deal.

 

[Hunter368]

Maybe Connor Carrick and a pick or something for Trouba.

His development the last little while is a little worrying.

I like him as a player but it's totally possible he tops out as a #4 defenceman.

You don't sell the farm for someone like that.

He's no Lindholm, Rielly or even Maatta.

Clearly you haven't seen the detailed analysis on Trouba who has in fact progressed each year. Currently he's a #2/3 D man with more potential. Carrick isn't even close to a main piece for Trouba. Stop looking at just the box stats on his points.

 

[KGL]

Gardiner + SJS 2nd/OTT 2nd + Leipsic/Bracco/Rychel/Lindberg/Leivo

Would be my offer. The 2nd round pick would be whichever pick is left over between the two after Anaheim takes one of them for Andersen (They get the middle of the Leafs three 2nd round picks, which means Winnipeg would get the last of the 3).

 

[cobra427]

Chevy is extremely comfortable not allowing a 22 year old RFA dictate hockey ops. Trouba will wait til the Jets get what they want, or he changes his mind and suits up.

He hasn't got an ounce more leverage than Drouin or Hamonic had. Chevy is absolutely fine waiting, and he should be.

If he sits for a while, it hurts him and the Jets. If he sits for a few months, the return will go down, not up. If Trouba reluctantly sings a bridge deal, you now have a player that doesn't want to be there or play the left side, and that is not good for the Jets. Trouba's highest value and the best solution for the Jets is to trade him in the next week, maybe two weeks out max.

Yes, Chevy holds the cards because Trouba is an RFA. But, the cards he holds won't make Trouba a happy Jet is he signs, and his value will go down not up in a month or two. Checy can wait it out and prove he is in control, but that will ultimately hurt the Jets.

 

[wintersej]

Chevy is extremely comfortable not allowing a 22 year old RFA dictate hockey ops. Trouba will wait til the Jets get what they want, or he changes his mind and suits up.

He hasn't got an ounce more leverage than Drouin or Hamonic had. Chevy is absolutely fine waiting, and he should be.

Both Drouin and Harmonic were under contract. Trouba can sign an offersheet. Is there one that he could sign that wouldn't be matched? Who knows... but that's certainly an "ounce" more leverage according to my leverage to ounces conversion table here.

 

[TJinAZ]

If he sits for a while, it hurts him and the Jets. If he sits for a few months, the return will go down, not up. If Trouba reluctantly sings a bridge deal, you now have a player that doesn't want to be there or play the left side, and that is not good for the Jets. Trouba's highest value and the best solution for the Jets is to trade him in the next week, maybe two weeks out max.

Yes, Chevy holds the cards because Trouba is an RFA. But, the cards he holds won't make Trouba a happy Jet is he signs, and his value will go down not up in a month or two. Checy can wait it out and prove he is in control, but that will ultimately hurt the Jets.

Now roll back a bit to 2011 and substitute the name Trouba with Turris, Jets with Coyotes and Chevy with Maloney. There is a script for this and from this point forward should be call getting Overhardted.