Proposal: Trouba all encompassing trade thread

[commie]

Are we still talking about Trouba here? with some of the trade proposals, one would think we are discussing a trade for Karlsson, Subban, Doughty etc...

Some of the requests are insane:
- Poolparty + Nurse
- OEL involved
- McDonagh invloved


Lets just temper our expectations of Trouba. Sure he is a fine young RHD with a great future, but still pretty unproven. He is barely a top 4 D at this point in his career, without a contract and has just demanded a trade from his team.

 

[McNuge]

Are we still talking about Trouba here? with some of the trade proposals, one would think we are discussing a trade for Karlsson, Subban, Doughty etc...

Some of the requests are insane:
- Poolparty + Nurse
- OEL involved
- McDonagh invloved


Lets just temper our expectations of Trouba. Sure he is a fine young RHD with a great future, but still pretty unproven. He is barely a top 4 D at this point in his career, without a contract and has just demanded a trade from his team.

Thank you voice of reason. If someone read these proposals they would think Trouba was already a bonafide top pairing guy.

 

[57special]

NJ
BOS
TOR
PHI
ARI
NYR
ANA
DAL
MIN


He would be an undisputed 1RD on those teams, maybe even somewhere else. And that's not including the teams where he could fight for the 1RD spot (EDM for example), but decided to leave them out. How many of them are contenders in x amount of years? More than half, I'd say.

Only being willing to sign with one of those teams is a signal of lack of competence. I would be very willing to bet that Trouba's new team will be one of those. Why? Because he wants to get the 1RD spot, not earn it.

Trouba is worse than Spurgeon. And Brodin plays the right side just fine, thanks. We also have an improving Dumba...different sort of player than Trouba, but has his own talents to add to the mix on the PP.

MN is NOT in the Trouba sweepstakes. Especially for a guy who would want to be paid more than Brodin, Scandella, and Spurgeon.

Now, if you want to move Ehlers or one of your groovy forward prospects, we can talk.

 

[Flyerfan47]

• jets trade trouba and lemieux to the flyers for del zotto and provorov.

• the jets ld is enstrom, del zotto and either provorov or morrissey on 3rd pair while the other ripens on the moose. Del zotto doesn't require vegas protection as he is a ufa at seasons end. Jets protect 7f/3d. He could walk leaving room for provorov and morrissey in 2017. Or resign in winnipeg perhaps?

• the flyers get a desperately needed top rhd and flyer fans would likely love the way lemieux plays.

he!! No !

 

[tade]

Jets fans, what would you want from the Flyers for Trouba?

he!! No !

Yes, that's truly terrible. Del Zotto + Provorov for Trouba, dear god. Majority of Flyers fans wouldn't touch Provorov for Trouba, let alone add to him.

 

[scan15*]

Thank you voice of reason. If someone read these proposals they would think Trouba was already a bonafide top pairing guy.

Well, this is a Winnipeg Jets trade thread.

Few months ago a Jets fan, completely seriously, said that he would only consider trading Trouba for McDavid and nothing else. Apparently the team is so stacked in every position that they don't need anyone but a McDavid.

 

[J15]

Lots of pieces but nothing to help the Jets in the near term. I'd rather do the Gardiner+ trade that Leafs fans have been proposing as much as it would kill me to do it after the Leafs' fans schadenfreude over this Trouba thing

Wait, you're seriously saying no to Detroit's best forward prospect in AA + their most recent 1st round pick in Cholowski + their next 1st round pick (which could very likely be a lottery pick) + two second rounders and a third.

Jets fans are out of their minds, this is Trouba not McDavid.

 

[Maukkis]

What makes you say that? To me Hamilton is easily the best comparable out of the 3. Nashville was looking for a C, well documented, traded their best trade chip in Jones to get one. Edmonton NEEDED a RHD, like a fish needs water, and traded their best chip to get one.

Hamilton wanted out of Boston, asked for a lot of money, and eventually got dealt. Seems oddly similar to Trouba don't you think?

Trouba just became the most overrated player on here. People asking for Nylander and Marner...

Boston was forced to take what was offered because of the offer sheet threat. Chevy isn't forced to do anything. He has known it for months that Trouba wouldn't play a single game for the Jets next season. My guess is that he has inquired about replacements, but hasn't have any success doing so. What else is there to do, when you know that your asset won't contribute to the team's success in any way?

Well, why is Trouba still not traded? Because Chevy waits for the right deal. What else? There's nothing anyone can do to tie his hands now. Chevy holds the cards, and if someone wants Trouba, he has to meet the asking price.

Doesn't it sound familiar? Yes. Johansen and Jones.

 

[commie]

Boston was forced to take what was offered because of the offer sheet threat. Chevy isn't forced to do anything. He has known it for months that Trouba wouldn't play a single game for the Jets next season. My guess is that he has inquired about replacements, but hasn't have any success doing so. What else is there to do, when you know that your asset won't contribute to the team's success in any way?

Well, why is Trouba still not traded? Because Chevy waits for the right deal. What else? There's nothing anyone can do to tie his hands now. Chevy holds the cards, and if someone wants Trouba, he has to meet the asking price.

Doesn't it sound familiar? Yes. Johansen and Jones.

Sure Chevy and the Jets don't have to do anything with Trouba and make him sit out the year or go off to the KHL for the year.

Go ahead and let a declining asset sit on the sidelines. How will that play out in the locker room and for future UFA's looking to sign with the Jets.

 

[57special]

NYI fans having to be loving this.

 

[LTIR]

Boston was forced to take what was offered because of the offer sheet threat. Chevy isn't forced to do anything. He has known it for months that Trouba wouldn't play a single game for the Jets next season. My guess is that he has inquired about replacements, but hasn't have any success doing so. What else is there to do, when you know that your asset won't contribute to the team's success in any way?

Well, why is Trouba still not traded? Because Chevy waits for the right deal. What else? There's nothing anyone can do to tie his hands now. Chevy holds the cards, and if someone wants Trouba, he has to meet the asking price.

Doesn't it sound familiar? Yes. Johansen and Jones.

Its been mentioned by multiple Jets fans so let me ask... Why wont Trouba sign an offersheet? how is this situation different than Hamilton? Jets matching an offersheet and keeping Trouba will create an awkward situation on tne team... Clearly keeping a disgruntled and overpaid Dman on the squad wouldne be healthy.. Jets will trade him before they match an offer.

I dont think Chevy holds all the cards and instead of sitting out Trouba's agent will gladly sign a big enough offersheet.

 

[Maukkis]

Jets fans, what would you want from the Flyers for Trouba?



Yes, that's truly terrible. Del Zotto + Provorov for Trouba, dear god. Majority of Flyers fans wouldn't touch Provorov for Trouba, let alone add to him.

Sanheim has to be included. Provorov is off the table, but I guess every thread has someone who doesn't care.

I guess Trouba for Sanheim+ would work, but the cap doesn't, and you're obsessed with your prospects, so wouldn't probably work out. But the fit is there.

 

[scan15*]

Boston was forced to take what was offered because of the offer sheet threat. Chevy isn't forced to do anything. He has known it for months that Trouba wouldn't play a single game for the Jets next season. My guess is that he has inquired about replacements, but hasn't have any success doing so. What else is there to do, when you know that your asset won't contribute to the team's success in any way?

Well, why is Trouba still not traded? Because Chevy waits for the right deal. What else? There's nothing anyone can do to tie his hands now. Chevy holds the cards, and if someone wants Trouba, he has to meet the asking price.

Doesn't it sound familiar? Yes. Johansen and Jones.

LOL no.

Every game Trouba doesn't play, his value keeps going down. Nothing like Jones and Johansen, both under contract when traded.

This is Dougie Hamilton but with even more pressure because Trouba's value goes down if he doesn't play.

 

[Maukkis]

Its been mentioned by multiple Jets fans so let me ask... Why wont Trouba sign an offersheet? how is sotuation different than Hamilton? Jets matching an offersheet would put and keeping Trouba will create an awkward situation on tne team... Clearly keeping a disgruntled and overpaid Dman on the squad wouldne be healthy.. Jets will trade him before they match an offer.

I dont think Chevy holds all the cards and instead of sitting out Trouba's agent will gladly sign a big enough offersheet.

It's simple. There has been no negotations for a reason. Trouba wants to play for a team where he doesn't have to put in effort to get a top pairing RHD spot. Without contract, he can prevent a trade with any team who has someone like Trouba already, by asking for god knows how much. Trouba basically wants us to trade him to a team who can offer an easy life for him, and Overhardt is talking to GMs, scaring them away if Trouba doesn't like the team. That way, Trouba has control over where he goes.

If he signed an offer sheet, he would risk losing that leverage. That's why.

And team wise, you could have offer sheeted Hamilton so the Bruins wouldn't have been able to match because of the cap. Winnipeg has space to match, so it really isn't anywhere near the Hamilton situation.

 

[J15]

Boston was forced to take what was offered because of the offer sheet threat. Chevy isn't forced to do anything. He has known it for months that Trouba wouldn't play a single game for the Jets next season. My guess is that he has inquired about replacements, but hasn't have any success doing so. What else is there to do, when you know that your asset won't contribute to the team's success in any way?

Well, why is Trouba still not traded? Because Chevy waits for the right deal. What else? There's nothing anyone can do to tie his hands now. Chevy holds the cards, and if someone wants Trouba, he has to meet the asking price.

Doesn't it sound familiar? Yes. Johansen and Jones.

This is absolutely nothing like Johansen and Jones. Every game before the trade was made Jones was still contributing to the team. There was no pressure to accept a low-ball offer because Jones was a great player who still contributed every night.

Trouba is going to be doing nothing for the Jets except losing value, it'll get to a point where they realize they might as well get something for him and then price drops.

I feel for Jets fans because I would hate to see it happen to my team, but Chevy doesn't "hold the cards" in any way, shape or form; this is terrible for the organization. I understand that Winnipeg needs to project themselves as being in a position of strength to try and help negotiations, but everyone and their dog knows they're in a bad spot. Trouba's going to get traded and Jets fans are going to be pissed at the return.

That is professional sports for you, Trouba isn't the first player to demand a trade, 90% of these situations end the same way and it never favours the team losing the player.

 

[MardyBum]

Just like Kane was going to be traded and we'd be pissed at the return.

Just like we were going to be laughed at for expecting a 1st alone for Ladd, nevermind a plus.

*sigh*

This isn't a one on one negotiation, there will be multiple teams floating Chevy offers, and just like the TDL he'll get good value for Trouba.

I'm not expecting Provorov, or Drai, or anyone like that, but I won't be upset at the return, it will be a good one. Advanced stats guys think Trouba performs like a top pair, so i'll take their word for it.

 

[mcpw]

Just like Kane was going to be traded and we'd be pissed at the return.

Miss these days...
Chris Kunitz, Brandon Sutter, 3rd...
Chris Higgins, Jannik Hansen, Nicklas Jensen...

 

[Sweetpotato]

We shall see i guess. As an oil fan, Nurse+ or Davidson+ would be all id give up. Disregarding contracts, all things being equal id take Klefbom over Trouba so those adding a 1st onto Oscar are clueless.

I think when hes traded hell be moved for a good but not as good LHD like Gardiner, Krug, etc

NJ
BOS
TOR
PHI
ARI
NYR
ANA
DAL
MIN


He would be an undisputed 1RD on those teams, maybe even somewhere else. And that's not including the teams where he could fight for the 1RD spot (EDM for example), but decided to leave them out. How many of them are contenders in x amount of years? More than half, I'd say.

Only being willing to sign with one of those teams is a signal of lack of competence. I would be very willing to bet that Trouba's new team will be one of those. Why? Because he wants to get the 1RD spot, not earn it.

bolded teams are wrong, he wouldnt out play Murphy/ Stone, Spurgeon or Klingberg.

 

[Toby Flenderson]

Trouba, Little, Connor
for
Malkin, Dumoulin, 2nd

 

[tade]

Sanheim has to be included. Provorov is off the table, but I guess every thread has someone who doesn't care.

I guess Trouba for Sanheim+ would work, but the cap doesn't, and you're obsessed with your prospects, so wouldn't probably work out. But the fit is there.

No, I think Sanheim+ for Trouba is fair value right now, just don't know what the '+' should be.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Just like Kane was going to be traded and we'd be pissed at the return.

Just like we were going to be laughed at for expecting a 1st alone for Ladd, nevermind a plus.

*sigh*

This isn't a one on one negotiation, there will be multiple teams floating Chevy offers, and just like the TDL he'll get good value for Trouba.

I'm not expecting Provorov, or Drai, or anyone like that, but I won't be upset at the return, it will be a good one. Advanced stats guys think Trouba performs like a top pair, so i'll take their word for it.

their are more "less than expected" returns for players as well

 

[Maukkis]

We shall see i guess. As an oil fan, Nurse+ or Davidson+ would be all id give up. Disregarding contracts, all things being equal id take Klefbom over Trouba so those adding a 1st onto Oscar are clueless.

I think when hes traded hell be moved for a good but not as good LHD like Gardiner, Krug, etc



bolded teams are wrong, he wouldnt out play Murphy/ Stone, Spurgeon or Klingberg.

He outplays Murphy AND Stone easily, Spurgeon is close though. And it looks like I forgot which side Klingberg plays on. Happens.

 

[Viqsi]

LOL no.

Every game Trouba doesn't play, his value keeps going down. Nothing like Jones and Johansen, both under contract when traded.

This is Dougie Hamilton but with even more pressure because Trouba's value goes down if he doesn't play.

It's actually shockingly close - if you consider Johansen to be the comparable instead of Jones. Similar late holdout over an RFA deal from the same agent.

 

[smitty10]

Toronto's first next year? Big risk. Could be a #1, could be a 10-12.

 

[Maukkis]

It's actually shockingly close - if you consider Johansen to be the comparable instead of Jones. Similar late holdout over an RFA deal from the same agent.

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