Proposal: Trouba all encompassing trade thread

[scan15*]

No chance the leafs give up their best left D propect plus Gardiner. I think the deal centres around Gardiner, likely a protected first(top 1-10), and b level prospect.

Whoever gets Trouba will likely be looking at 6 million plus which if I am the leaf fan/management I really question because Reilly who is much more accomplished is being paid far less. Unless that is two years of UFA status included it doesn't send a good message.

If Leafs management determines that Dermott or Neilsen can step into the NHL next year and be 2nd pairing defensemen then I am completely ok with giving up Gardiner.

 

[13pacheco31]

Trouba's agent has indicated that they have been working on facilitating a trade, and Trouba has said directly that it was never about the money, so the entire premise of your post is wrong.

His value is the same as any top end young RHD... very high. It will be determined by the substantial competition between the many teams that have reportedly been very interested, not based on biased fans. The last two young RHDs traded returned RyJo and Hall. Maybe a bit below RyJo and closer to Hall.

Before you counter with Hamilton, the Bruins were basically defenseless against an RFA offer sheet and forced into a trade. The Jets would match any offer sheet and have Trouba over a barrel. No way Trouba signs an offer sheet for that reason.

Seth jones has a lot more upside than trouba and hall was a gross over payment for larsson, it was laughable and everyone knows it.

 

[Whileee]

Doubtful he goes to Anaheim, they need forwards not so much dmen and they have a cap issue, they'll sign Lindholm long before Trouba. Dallas is the only team with a strong enough lineup to give him a chance at the cup in the next 5 years. Teams like Toronto, Arizona, and Philly will hopefully begin their period of playoff contension by then, while Minnesota, NYR, and Boston seem to be on the downswing of things right now and could be anywhere in the next 5 years depending on how things move and shake around.

Would Chevy be dumb enough to trade Trouba to a team in our division without overpayment? Probably not.

If they sign Lindholm don't they have trouble keeping a good forward in Rakell due to cap constraints?

Trouba is likely to be cheaper to sign than Lindholm.

Trouba and a good NHL ready young forward for Lindholm?

 

[gwh]

Good guess given that his agent has said just that.

Really?

Classic... Overhardt's life is not complete without an annual camp asshattery?

 

[Whileee]

Seth jones has a lot more upside than trouba and hall was a gross over payment for larsson, it was laughable and everyone knows it.

Market price is set by demand. Oilers paid what the market demanded. The market competition will set Trouba's price, and there is reportedly plenty of competition.

 

[heretik27]

If they sign Lindholm don't they have trouble keeping a good forward in Rakell due to cap constraints?

Trouba is likely to be cheaper to sign than Lindholm.

Trouba and a good NHL ready young forward for Lindholm?

I believe the desire is to trade Vatanen and keep both?

 

[MinJaBen]

Really?

Classic... Overhardt's life is not complete without an annual camp asshattery?

Really, really:

“Our client, Jacob Trouba, will not be attending the Winnipeg Jets NHL training camp. Since May, we have been working with the Jets management in an effort to facilitate a trade of Jacob’s rights. Both parties continue to work on this matter.

There has been no negotiation regarding the terms of a contract between our client and the Jets over the course of the last several months. The situation is not about money; it is solely about our client having the opportunity to realize his potential as a right shot NHL defenseman.

To the Jets credit, the club has two outstanding right shot veteran defensemen and our client simply wants the opportunity to have a greater role. As a consequence of the Jets depth on the right side, we believe it is in both parties’ best interest to facilitate a mutually advantageous trade.

Our client has nothing but respect for the people and City of Winnipeg, the Winnipeg Jets, its fans, management and ownership - our desire to get him moved has everything to do with opportunity. We will continue to work with the Jets in good faith to achieve this end."

 

[Halloween Jack]

Trouba and Petan for Lindholm?

 

[Headshot77]

How far away would Pouliot + Kunitz + 1st be?

 

[gwh]

Really, really:

Why any GM wants any his players on a team?

Well, thanks for the news.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

Takes 2 seconds to look and the Jets roster and realize they don't need anymore wingers

This. any deal must have a top4 Dman coming back.

Truly do not see a 2 team, player for player deal. A three way deal probably allows us to find that dman replacement while allowing a trade team to utilize their forward prospects in the deal

 

[Liferleafer]

Trouba's agent has indicated that they have been working on facilitating a trade, and Trouba has said directly that it was never about the money, so the entire premise of your post is wrong.

His value is the same as any top end young RHD... very high. It will be determined by the substantial competition between the many teams that have reportedly been very interested, not based on biased fans. The last two young RHDs traded returned RyJo and Hall. Maybe a bit below RyJo and closer to Hall.

Before you counter with Hamilton, the Bruins were basically defenseless against an RFA offer sheet and forced into a trade. The Jets would match any offer sheet and have Trouba over a barrel. No way Trouba signs an offer sheet for that reason.

Seth Jones is miles ahead of Trouba.....so LOL.

Adam Larsson is signed long term at 4.16 per....not comparable.

Hamilton is actually the comparable that works situation wise.

 

[Tripod]

Albeit I don't pay much attention but has delzotto turned his game around cause I kinda remember ranger fans making reference that he was delzaster or something like that

Yes.

If you go look back, NYR fans were saying he was also being miss-used in the right side. He was awful on the right side for them.

In Philly, he got a 1 year prove it deal....and he played very well. He earned a 2 year deal. Last year he played as the Flyers top Dman....mostly with Gudas....and then with Ghost later on. He focused on defense and stopped taking risky plays trying to produce offense.

Most Flyers fans wish he had another 2-3 years left on his deal instead of 1. If he did, it would be perfect to allow the kids a few years to be sheltered and not have to be on the top pairing...talking mostly Provy here. But what we don't want, is to resign him to a 4-6 year deal which he might be looking for since he will be a UFA.

He played 23:25 minutes a game...1:25 on PP, 2:32 on PK.....the rest at ES. He really is not very good on the PP. He creates most of his offense on the rush, not by standing still in the OZ and shooting.

But yes, MDZ has turned things around. RIGHT NOW, he is a #3 Dman that is getting used as a #1 by Philly due to lack of options.

 

[heretik27]

How far away would Pouliot + Kunitz + 1st be?

Two forwards we don't need and a late 1st. Doesn't really fit our needs. Something like Olli Maata or a high upside LHD ready to play in the NHL would be a better offer. Err I'm confusing Pouliot with Perron. Still don't think we need Kunitz or a late first for Trouba.

 

[Whileee]

Seth Jones is miles ahead of Trouba.....so LOL.

Adam Larsson is signed long term at 4.16 per....not comparable.

Hamilton is actually the comparable that works situation wise.

Nope. Hamilton was an RFA target and the Bruins were forced to deal him rather than take the picks.

Trouba and his agent have indicated that they aren't stuck on salary for the right market.

 

[SnoopDogg]

moulson + gionta

 

[Headshot77]

Two forwards we don't need and a late 1st. Doesn't really fit our needs. Something like Olli Maata or a high upside LHD ready to play in the NHL would be a better offer.

Our Pouliot is a high upside LHD, although is isn't as proven as Maatta

 

[Maukkis]

Seth Jones is miles ahead of Trouba.....so LOL.

Adam Larsson is signed long term at 4.16 per....not comparable.

Hamilton is actually the comparable that works situation wise.

Hamilton doesn't work as a comparable. Boston was vulnerable to an offer sheet, which forced them to take a bit better deal of picks than an offer sheet would have gotten them. Trouba won't sign an offer sheet under any circumstances. There was very little fear of getting one before, and now there's even less.

Larsson doesn't compare either. He wasn't shopped. NJ got an overpay for him and pulled the trigger.

Jones is the closest comparable. Johansen wanted out, and he pulled Jones as a return. There were a couple of teams with passable players to trade for Johansen, much like in this case.

 

[SM]

With Jets bursting at the seam with forwards and tons competing for spots at TC this year, I think we should bundle a roster forward with Trouba and a prospect to get someone special.

What do people think Trouba, Stafford, and Lemieux could bring back?

Keep in mind we need a LHD, or at the very least a RHD who can play his off-side because Buff will play our top pairing no matter what after his big payout. Forward prospects don't do a whole lot for us, we could handle a temporary cap dump (will have to pay out big time in a couple years), and picks are always welcomed.

 

[57special]

Too bad Jets are are in Central. Wild has overflow of lefties.

In what universe do the Wild want a guy who has been asking a long term payday of 6M? When they already have plenty of Dmen of equal or better ability that make 4-5M? And all this for a cap strapped team?

Trouba simply isn't worth the trouble.

 

[heretik27]

With Jets bursting at the seam with forwards and tons competing for spots at TC this year, I think we should bundle a roster forward with Trouba and a prospect to get someone special.

What do people think Trouba, Stafford, and Lemieux could bring back?

Keep in mind we need a LHD, or at the very least a RHD who can play his off-side because Buff will play our top pairing no matter what after his big payout. Forward prospects don't do a whole lot for us, we could handle a temporary cap dump (will have to pay out big time in a couple years), and picks are always welcomed.

Stafford's trade bait this year anyways depending on whether we're in a playoff position or not. Lemieux is one of many bottom 6 forwards that could be expendable due to the competition for those roles in the future. It's interesting, but I'm not sure either of them are going to increase the trades value to get us a single elite player in a quantity for quality deal. Simply put, we're just going to get quantity back most likely by adding them unless it's for a player of similar value to Trouba, in which case Lemieux and other expansion protected prospects could be desired.

 

[Flyerfan47]

Travis Sanheim + 2nd?

I think Flyers fans will be split.

No ! Not giving Sanheim and a 2nd !

 

[McNuge]

Hamilton doesn't work as a comparable. Boston was vulnerable to an offer sheet, which forced them to take a bit better deal of picks than an offer sheet would have gotten them. Trouba won't sign an offer sheet under any circumstances. There was very little fear of getting one before, and now there's even less.

Larsson doesn't compare either. He wasn't shopped. NJ got an overpay for him and pulled the trigger.

Jones is the closest comparable. Johansen wanted out, and he pulled Jones as a return. There were a couple of teams with passable players to trade for Johansen, much like in this case.

What makes you say that? To me Hamilton is easily the best comparable out of the 3. Nashville was looking for a C, well documented, traded their best trade chip in Jones to get one. Edmonton NEEDED a RHD, like a fish needs water, and traded their best chip to get one.

Hamilton wanted out of Boston, asked for a lot of money, and eventually got dealt. Seems oddly similar to Trouba don't you think?

Trouba just became the most overrated player on here. People asking for Nylander and Marner...

 

[Flyerfan47]

Travis Sanheim and Wade Allison for Jacob Trouba

American RD to a team with a surplus of quality young LD and an open D spot to protect in expansion.

Two good old Manitoba boys to Winnipeg, including a potential top pairing LD that's almost a lock to be a good top 4 defenseman, plus the salary savings and the fact they don't have to protect 4 defensemen in expansion anymore at the expense of a good young forward.

Makes too much sense.

Lose Sanheim from you people's vocabulary.

 

[PinSeeker]

Seth jones has a lot more upside than trouba and hall was a gross over payment for larsson, it was laughable and everyone knows it.

Uh, no, Hall wasn't.

Trouba asked for a trade and is looking for $5-6 million. Larsson didn't and makes just over $4 million and is also a much better defender right now.