Proposal: Trouba all encompassing trade thread

[JetsHomer]

Never knew Trouba was valued this high people are offering unprotected 1sts, and 2 of their top 3 prospects in their system.

I'd give a 1st + 2 2nds...something similar to Dougie Hamilton's trade.

And in that case you'd never be traded Trouba. Pretty simple really

 

[Drew4u]

Hanifan for Trouba connor and Armia

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Hanifan for Trouba connor and Armia

wow really?

Im no Jets fan but I would imagine that would result in Chevy laughing and hanging up phone very fast

 

[Funk21]

Gardiner+Dermott+Leafs 2017 2nd Rounder

No chance the leafs give up their best left D propect plus Gardiner. I think the deal centres around Gardiner, likely a protected first(top 1-10), and b level prospect.

Whoever gets Trouba will likely be looking at 6 million plus which if I am the leaf fan/management I really question because Reilly who is much more accomplished is being paid far less. Unless that is two years of UFA status included it doesn't send a good message.

 

[Liferleafer]

No chance the leafs give up their best left D propect plus Gardiner. I think the deal centres around Gardiner, likely a protected first(top 1-10), and b level prospect.

Whoever gets Trouba will likely be looking at 6 million plus which if I am the leaf fan/management I really question because Reilly who is much more accomplished is being paid far less. Unless that is two years of UFA status included it doesn't send a good message.

If the deal is Gardiner+ a 1st, i would happily walk away....let alone adding a prospect on top. The only reason i would even consider a Gardiner swap is due to RHD/LHD, but Trouba isn't a better player than Gardiner, so no way i add that much.

 

[Maukkis]

No chance the leafs give up their best left D propect plus Gardiner. I think the deal centres around Gardiner, likely a protected first(top 1-10), and b level prospect.

Whoever gets Trouba will likely be looking at 6 million plus which if I am the leaf fan/management I really question because Reilly who is much more accomplished is being paid far less. Unless that is two years of UFA status included it doesn't send a good message.

I'm a Jets fan, so you may or may not believe me, but I've always thought about Trouba having two options. Take the money and play in Winnipeg, or get traded and sacrifice some money. He could have used his usage to benefit himself in the negotiations. Instead, he chose the option "I want to play for a team, who doesn't owe me anything". That will cost him money, as he's not getting traded without negotiating a deal with the new team beforehand. He can't get it all, and in this instance, he chose to leave the money.

In short, NOW you can forget the 7 million demands. Wherever he signs, his comparables are what dictates his contract. Not "what could have been" numbers.

 

[Zhamnov10]

Don't even bring up Nurse in any proposals. I'd be pissed he was the centrepiece of a Trouba trade.

I also don't see any "bunch of futures" for Trouba trade. The centerpiece player involved in the Trouba should be a decent roster player or at the very least close to being NHL-ready, otherwise we may as well let him sit out this year and trade him when there is a more favorable offer

I actually think the jets focus will be to get a couple high end prospects and they can fill the LHD spot with a short term overpaid vet or a team up against the cap with the extra cash they are saving.The expansion draft is going to play a role in this trade.

 

[Mad Brills*]

So, kind of like with the subban trade, the jets want a LHD coming back right?

Gardiner + a prospect seems fair.

 

[Whileee]

If the deal is Gardiner+ a 1st, i would happily walk away....let alone adding a prospect on top. The only reason i would even consider a Gardiner swap is due to RHD/LHD, but Trouba isn't a better player than Gardiner, so no way i add that much.

Relax. Trouba's not going to the Leafs. Chevy has lots of good options and Trouba likely wants to play in the US, so much so that he'd probably sign at a discount.

 

[Whileee]

This thread is hilarious. Do do people actually think he has that kind of value??

Kucherov for trouba and armia LMFAO add in a 1st and prospect .

MDZ AND Provorov lmao Provorov alone is worth more keep dreaming.

First off teams never get huge returns like fans think they will then add in the fact he is demanding a trade THEN add the fact he doesnt have great value to begin with.

So you shoule expect a return like Gardiner for Trouba and a 3rd.

Posters in the Jets forum said it was a gong show here in the main trade board. Now I can see why.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

Hanifan for Trouba connor and Armia

Came in here expecting some whacked trade proposals, saw your post first, bar has been set really really low

 

[Liferleafer]

Posters in the Jets forum said it was a gong show here in the main trade board. Now I can see why.

Just for poopys and giggles...what value do you put on an unsigned player (who's demands have been rumoured at 7 million)...and who has demanded a trade?

 

[Liferleafer]

Relax. Trouba's not going to the Leafs. Chevy has lots of good options and Trouba likely wants to play in the US, so much so that he'd probably sign at a discount.

I'm relaxed....i don't expect to land Trouba. Moving Gards for him is sideways....and the Jets need a LHD coming back, so i don't see a Leafs trade that works.

 

[heretik27]

I think Trouba's value can only be properly established after he signs a contract. People might be calling saying they have interest in him, but they likely want to know the details of his salary demands because the last thing you want to do is trade for a RFA who has an agent like Overhardt only to screw yourselves over because he wants even more money in a less competitive market/market further behind in their build. Let's be honest here, how many places can Trouba go to where he'll be THE guy on the right hand side that's going to compete for a cup in the next 5 years?

 

[Maukkis]

I think Trouba's value can only be properly established after he signs a contract. People might be calling saying they have interest in him, but they likely want to know the details of his salary demands because the last thing you want to do is trade for a RFA who has an agent like Overhardt only to screw yourselves over because he wants even more money in a less competitive market/market further behind in their build. Let's be honest here, how many places can Trouba go to where he'll be THE guy on the right hand side that's going to compete for a cup in the next 5 years?

NJ
BOS
TOR
PHI
ARI
NYR
ANA
DAL
MIN


He would be an undisputed 1RD on those teams, maybe even somewhere else. And that's not including the teams where he could fight for the 1RD spot (EDM for example), but decided to leave them out. How many of them are contenders in x amount of years? More than half, I'd say.

Only being willing to sign with one of those teams is a signal of lack of competence. I would be very willing to bet that Trouba's new team will be one of those. Why? Because he wants to get the 1RD spot, not earn it.

 

[MinJaBen]

I'm curious what you all think of this option as a Carolina fan. I'll preface this by saying I don't think we would get rid of cost controlled assets like this given our budgets, but maybe...

The only deal I think would happen for our side that would give you close to what you want would be something like this:

Trouba, (some other asset here)

Fleury (LHD), McKeown (RHD)

Both of those two are ELC and haven't played in the pros yet, so they are ELC and don't need to be protected. Both are probably ready for sheltered 3rd pairing rolls this year (won't get that here, but you may have room for one or both) and they give you a potential top four LHD (maybe top pair with development) and a bottom four RHD (maybe middle pair top end skill). Given the fact that the canes are giving up two cost controlled, non-expansion eligible defensemen with very good potential, I think that something else would be required to come back, but I'm not sure what or who.

Given that Trouba is fairly established, I think he would get his wish of top-4 minutes at Carolina and would find himself on one of the two PP units:

Slavin - Faulk
Hanifin - Trouba
Hainsey - Pesce
Murphy

Then next year Carrick could slide into that 3rd pairing when Hainsey's contract is up and we still have Bean waiting in the wings.

 

[gwh]

a RFA who has an agent like Overhardt

Trouba's agent is Overhardt?

I sense a camp holdout in the air.

 

[MinJaBen]

Trouba's agent is Overhardt?

I sense a camp holdout in the air.

Good guess given that his agent has said just that.

 

[gwh]

NJ
BOS
TOR
PHI
ARI
NYR
ANA
DAL
MIN


He would be an undisputed 1RD on those teams, maybe even somewhere else.

Outplays Spurgeon? I don't know man, theoretically possible somewhere in the future...

Also MIN doesn't have more than 4mil cap, if Scandella is LHD going to the otherway.

 

[TOCap1]

I know it's been said a lot around here but what about:

To Toronto: Trouba
To Winnipeg: Fowler
To Anaheim: JVR

 

[Whileee]

Just for poopys and giggles...what value do you put on an unsigned player (who's demands have been rumoured at 7 million)...and who has demanded a trade?

Trouba's agent has indicated that they have been working on facilitating a trade, and Trouba has said directly that it was never about the money, so the entire premise of your post is wrong.

His value is the same as any top end young RHD... very high. It will be determined by the substantial competition between the many teams that have reportedly been very interested, not based on biased fans. The last two young RHDs traded returned RyJo and Hall. Maybe a bit below RyJo and closer to Hall.

Before you counter with Hamilton, the Bruins were basically defenseless against an RFA offer sheet and forced into a trade. The Jets would match any offer sheet and have Trouba over a barrel. No way Trouba signs an offer sheet for that reason.

 

[Maukkis]

Outplays Spurgeon? I don't know man, theoretically possible somewhere in the future...

Also MIN doesn't have more than 4mil cap, if Scandella is LHD going to the otherway.

Suter - Trouba would be a deadly pairing in my eyes. Well, every defenseman would work with Suter, but you get the point.

And Scandella would be a very good return. Maybe a forward-defenseman prospect swap on top of that?

(being divisional rivals doesn't help though)

 

[heretik27]

NJ
BOS
TOR
PHI
ARI
NYR
ANA
DAL
MIN


He would be an undisputed 1RD on those teams, maybe even somewhere else. And that's not including the teams where he could fight for the 1RD spot (EDM for example), but decided to leave them out. How many of them are contenders in x amount of years? More than half, I'd say.

Only being willing to sign with one of those teams is a signal of lack of competence. I would be very willing to bet that Trouba's new team will be one of those. Why? Because he wants to get the 1RD spot, not earn it.

Doubtful he goes to Anaheim, they need forwards not so much dmen and they have a cap issue, they'll sign Lindholm long before Trouba. Dallas is the only team with a strong enough lineup to give him a chance at the cup in the next 5 years. Teams like Toronto, Arizona, and Philly will hopefully begin their period of playoff contension by then, while Minnesota, NYR, and Boston seem to be on the downswing of things right now and could be anywhere in the next 5 years depending on how things move and shake around.

Would Chevy be dumb enough to trade Trouba to a team in our division without overpayment? Probably not.

 

[ghdi]

DAL trades Julius Honka
WPG tades Trouba

fairest trade in my opinion

Can't agree as there's many sticking points. I also wouldn't expect Winnipeg to trade Trouba in-division or even in-conference unless the deal was far more advantageous to them. It certainly wouldn't be 1 for 1.

One crux in this sort of offer is that Trouba is immediately due a raise, likely in the $5M per range and he's largely earned it. Honka has yet to play in the NHL and while its assumed he will be an upper tier defenseman at the NHL level, he doesn't have the resume yet. A plus to Honka is that he's cost controlled for 3 more seasons. Trouba is likely going to get around a 5 year deal and costs more immediately. With Dallas sitting at $4M under the cap right now, they'd have to shed something to fit Trouba. I dont see Dallas going right to the cap taking on Trouba and not shedding something.

While it is not a bad starting point to an offer, I'd argue that Josh Morrissey is already Winnipeg's Honka and may even be more talented. I'd totally expect Dallas to add + Dallas would have to shed at least one contract to pull it off. The divisional aspect cannot be discounted either.

 

[Zhamnov10]

I'm curious what you all think of this option as a Carolina fan. I'll preface this by saying I don't think we would get rid of cost controlled assets like this given our budgets, but maybe...

The only deal I think would happen for our side that would give you close to what you want would be something like this:

Trouba, (some other asset here)

Fleury (LHD), McKeown (RHD)

Both of those two are ELC and haven't played in the pros yet, so they are ELC and don't need to be protected. Both are probably ready for sheltered 3rd pairing rolls this year (won't get that here, but you may have room for one or both) and they give you a potential top four LHD (maybe top pair with development) and a bottom four RHD (maybe middle pair top end skill). Given the fact that the canes are giving up two cost controlled, non-expansion eligible defensemen with very good potential, I think that something else would be required to come back, but I'm not sure what or who.

Given that Trouba is fairly established, I think he would get his wish of top-4 minutes at Carolina and would find himself on one of the two PP units:

Slavin - Faulk
Hanifin - Trouba
Hainsey - Pesce
Murphy

Then next year Carrick could slide into that 3rd pairing when Hainsey's contract is up and we still have Bean waiting in the wings.

I really like this proposal I would be willing to add Burmistrov.