Proposal: Trouba all encompassing trade thread - Part 2

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

If rumors are true, Canadian teams aren't an option.

So once again, leaf fans, oiler fans, hate to disapoint you here but i don't think Trouba is coming your way.

This looks like it's less about Winnipeg and more about a guy who has no backbone who let's his family tell him what he should and shouldn't do with his life.

So yup, They want him close to home, Detroit is home, they have nothing so Columbus, etc, American NHL cities around there... Those are the only real options. Philly probably. Boston doesn't have what the Jets want... Philly does, Columbus does. Boston doesn't.

There's a lot of bitter in this post. Dang.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Well I dont get why, if it is such a problem about the future of the LHD, why you cant play Enstrom on the left side and let Trouba play his right side. Wouldnt that solve all the problems without the need to possibly lose assets?

Morrissey has been a fine prospect for some years now, so unless they see less in him then before I dont see how he doesnt step up either this year or next.

Enstrom does play on the left side. All of our other decent D are RHD. Somebody has to play on the left. If Trouba wants top 4 minutes it has to be him. He got 22 min/gm last year. This year he is slated to play the left side with Buff. He will get 24 min but he has to play the left side to do it. He doesn't want to play the left.

Assuming Morrissey is ready for the NHL he would be eased in on the 3rd pair. If Morrissey plays 2LD Trouba is on the right behind Buff, sharing with Myers. He gets less TOI.

In exchange for Trouba we need a top 4 LHD who can step in right now. That's pretty simple. We then have:
xxx - Buff
Enstrom - Myers
Morrissey - other guys

As Morrissey moves up, Enstrom can move down - when/if that becomes necessary.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

That's basically the ask.

Yeah I know that now. I also don't have Twitter nor will I ever have one so kinda hard for me to get that info. I even asked jets fans what they wanted in a previous post. I naturally assumed it wasnt going to be prospects or forwards. Just an nhl ready defenseman and possibly more depending on how good the defenseman winninpeg would get back.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Huh? You do know that LHD is what we need right? And that RHD are more rare and worth more as a result?

Eeee...this seems like a fallacy.

 

[Daximus]

Yeah I know that now. I also don't have Twitter nor will I ever have one so kinda hard for me to get that info. I even asked jets fans what they wanted in a previous post. I naturally assumed it wasnt going to be prospects or forwards. Just an nhl ready defenseman and possibly more depending on how good the defenseman winninpeg would get back.

I don't use twitter either. I just check in to a few people's twitters like Lawless and Bobby Mac's every now and then to get the lowdown.

 

[Lacaar]

That's basically the ask.

Holy Moly it's Hamonic all over again.

I don't blame them. Makes the most sense.

I'm guessing Trouba doesn't play hockey this year.

 

[Hunter368]

To ANH- Nyquist
To DET- Trouba
To WPG- Fowler

It's probably a workable basis for a deal with the right adds. Everybody gets the player they need, even if it's not who they want.

Fowler would be way down on our list, last option really. Besides Ducks don't have cap, unless they dump more contracts on someone. Fowler straight up for Trouba Would be very disappointing

 

[Daximus]

Eeee...this seems like a fallacy.

Yeah not entirely sure if they are worth more. It's to bad we aren't looking for a Winger or Center.

Jones gets Johansen.
Larsson gets Hall.

Young defencemen are definitely at a premium right now.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

I don't use twitter either. I just check in to a few people's twitters like Lawless and Bobby Mac's every now and then to get the lowdown.

Good idea. Bobby Mac is definitely one I'll check from time to time.

 

[Daximus]

Holy Moly it's Hamonic all over again.

I don't blame them. Makes the most sense.

I'm guessing Trouba doesn't play hockey this year.

Pretty much. I think that is Chevy's angle. If Trouba wants a trade we either get what we want or wait him out. But ta least we look somewhat proactive while doing it.

 

[Liferleafer]

Here goes.

Hedman
Josi
OEL
Faulk
Lindholm
Brodie
Hanifin
Reilly
Leddy
Murray

Maybe Maatta, Krug, Werenski and Provorov.

Those are probably the only guys that would fit the bill of what Chevy wants. With Werenski and Provorov being unlikely targets as they haven't played in the NHL yet. But targets that I wouldn't mind acquiring.

Oh Hell no!

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I like that deal, too, but I'd be pretty surprised if the Flyers went for it. The Flyers are trying to get rid of their long term bad contracts. I'm thinking it might have to be something like:

MDZ, Sanheim & MacDonald ($1M or $2M retained) for Trouba, Petan (or Copp?) & Stuart

Yikes! If we are taking AMac off their hands either they add or we subtract, even if they retain quite a bit. MacDonald has 4 years left and a salary that rises to 5.75 mil.

MDZ + Sanheim + MacDonald (40% retained) for Trouba + Stuart. Even then I'm not sure I would do it.

Rather MDZ + Sanheim + Streit for Trouba + Copp/Lowry

Streit is enough to enable the deal from a cap perspective.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Yeah not entirely sure if they are worth more. It's to bad we aren't looking for a Winger or Center.

Jones gets Johansen.
Larsson gets Hall.

Young defencemen are definitely at a premium right now.

Say you traded Trouba for a high end forward. What would your defense pairings look like without him?

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Yeah not entirely sure if they are worth more. It's to bad we aren't looking for a Winger or Center.

Jones gets Johansen.
Larsson gets Hall.

Young defencemen are definitely at a premium right now.

Yeah don't seem to see a discrepancy in value by handedness.

They actually seem to get traded far more often than LHD, to be honest.

- B. Burns, Byfgulien, Shea Weber, Subban, Shattenkirk, E. Johnson, Hamilton, Boychuk, S. Jones, Niskanen...all top ~30 D-men, all traded, sometimes for each other.

The only top ~30 D-men who are LHD that have actually been traded lately...Yandle, J. Johnson, Nick Leddy, Goligoski? I don't think their value was in any way significantly lower than their right handed counterparts.

 

[nickschultzfan]

That's basically the ask.

Yeah, that's sounds like Brodin, but Wild should never make that move unless they had another move lined up.

 

[McDLT]

Say you traded Trouba for a high end forward. What would your defense pairings look like without him?

Enstrom - Myers
Morrissey - Byfuglien
Garbage - Trash

edit for seriousness: 3RD is actually paul postma. He's OK
3LD is Mark Stuart or Ben Chiarot.

 

[Daximus]

Oh Hell no!

 

[WTFMAN99]

The likely option is that "his parents are trying to effect his decision". It was explained on our board, but I'm not going to find it now.

Also, if it counts for anything, Trouba wanted to go to Lawless' radio show, but Overhardt pretty much cancelled that and went there instead of Trouba. It genuinely looks like Trouba and Overhardt aren't on the same page here. It could also mean that Trouba is manipulated by his parents and his agent. But yeah, nothing concrete as of now.

And I don't think Chevy would not deal with Toronto, and probably Edmonton as well. The more trading partners he has, the better. (although the unwillingness to trade Trouba in division may prevent a deal from happening)

I'd say the parent thing might put off Lou and the Leafs but we did just trade for Rychel this summer (although we bought low).

Suter wanted a RHD partner, maybe Minnesota offering up Brodin gets appealing (if they are okay dealing in the West) ?

 

[Blue Goose]

Enstrom does play on the left side. All of our other decent D are RHD. Somebody has to play on the left. If Trouba wants top 4 minutes it has to be him. He got 22 min/gm last year. This year he is slated to play the left side with Buff. He will get 24 min but he has to play the left side to do it. He doesn't want to play the left.

Assuming Morrissey is ready for the NHL he would be eased in on the 3rd pair. If Morrissey plays 2LD Trouba is on the right behind Buff, sharing with Myers. He gets less TOI.

In exchange for Trouba we need a top 4 LHD who can step in right now. That's pretty simple. We then have:
xxx - Buff
Enstrom - Myers
Morrissey - other guys

As Morrissey moves up, Enstrom can move down - when/if that becomes necessary.

Question for Jets fans: in every projected d-pairing I've seen in these threads, I never see Chiarot listed. What happened to him? I thought he would be a suitable fit for the 3rd pair, to ease Morrissey into the lineup.

As far as Chevy's ask, I can really only think of one LHD on a long-term deal that is similar in age to Trouba, and might conceivably be available: Jonas Brodin. I understand Minny probably wouldn't need/afford Trouba, and the Jets probably don't want him to go to a divisional rival, so I think there would need to be a third team involved.

 

[Daximus]

Say you traded Trouba for a high end forward. What would your defense pairings look like without him?

Probably

Enstrom - Buff
Morrissey - Myers
Depth guy - Depth guy

It's frightening.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

What?

I dont get, first off, how Myers plays over Trouba. Secondly, if Trouba is leaving because he wants to play the right side (which I dont think is the whole story) then why is it that they arent playing Byufiglen on the left? Hes a right shot with a heavy shot.

Sorry I said Enstrom before, I meant Byufiglen.

OK, makes a bit more sense now. 1 of Buff/Myers/Trouba has to play on the left. Myers is bad on the left. TBH I'm not sure why Buff doesn't take the left side. He is a rover anyway so it seems natural to me. I have probably had it explained to me half a dozen times but it doesn't stick. It may be as simple as Buff doesn't want to do it. He has seniority over Trouba.

Whatever the reason it has been decided that Trouba should be the one to play his off side and he has done it quite well. A bit of a negative for him but the upside is he gets to play with Buff. I'd bet that there are a lot of good young D in the league who would like to play with Buff. He should be happy - but he is not. The **** show follows from there.

 

[scan15*]

Gardiner + 2nd round pick + Colin Greening

for

Trouba

 

[Maukkis]

Gardiner + 2nd round pick + Colin Greening

for

Trouba

Greening out, Dermott in.

 

[Mashed Potatoes]

It seems that Fowler or Leddy type of D-man is coming back. What do WPG fans think about this?

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Enstrom - Myers
Morrissey - Byfuglien
Garbage - Trash

edit: 3RD is actually paul postma. He's OK
3LD is Mark Stuart or Ben Chiarot.

Lol I was just thinkin maybe your gm could get creative. Trade trouba for a very high end forward. Then trade the top 6 player that gets displaced by the trouba trade for a defenseman maybe include a prospect. Then getting a 6th defenseman usually isn't that hard one that better than the garbage you listed playing on the third pair..I'm just spitballing it trying to think outside the box. You guys have an immense amount of prospects not all of them can make the team. Just think of the forward you could get for trouba considering what jones and Larson got. Hey just throwing it out there jets fans.