Proposal: Trouba all encompassing trade thread - Part 2

[Daximus]

Well I dont get why, if it is such a problem about the future of the LHD, why you cant play Enstrom on the left side and let Trouba play his right side. Wouldnt that solve all the problems without the need to possibly lose assets?

Morrissey has been a fine prospect for some years now, so unless they see less in him then before I dont see how he doesnt step up either this year or next.

Enstrom does play the left side.

Right now our pairings are..

Trouba - Buff
Enstrom - Myers
Morrissey (maybe) - who knows.

Whomever we get just replaces Trouba on the roster and plays with Buff.

 

[Dizzay]

C. Miller
J. Zboril
2017 1st Rounder

Trouba

I can see this happening! Perhaps before the end of the week

 

[Daximus]

C. Miller
J. Zboril
2017 1st Rounder

Trouba

I can see this happening! Perhaps before the end of the week

Chevy said he wants a left hand D that is already playing NHL minutes. He'll likely want Krug if he wants anyone.

 

[nzoilerfan]

Brandon Davidson and one of Griffon Reinhart or Ziyat Paigin? heck, maybe even Yakupov?

Solid LD who looks to be developing into a all round second pairing who is young and cheap. Plus a good NHL D prospect.

Works for EDM as Davidson is someone they would likely want to protect in the upcoming expansion draft anyway. And WPG doesn't see much of a drop off in current ability on their D with the addition of a solid future piece.

 

[WTFMAN99]

The overdone offer of Gardiner for Trouba if you want an NHL ready LHD.

Not sure what else could be offered or what WPG would want.

 

[Bryzard of Oz]

Travis Hamonic (26) + 2nd rounder for trouba(22). We still get 10 plus years out of hamonic.

This way we get an exp D who wants to be home. Trouba, sadly ive watched your career here. Even getting Hamonic straight across for you would be a steal. Turnover after turnover Trouba . you should learn your game and pass the puck to your forwards. Ive watched you ignore completely open wingers to take it in and lose it ,game after game.First play he makes in the world cup he turns it over on a skate in doing this exact same thing. Ignoring people who are open so he can stroke his ego. This guy needs to go.

The add is on the wrong side. Hamonic is cheaper and better at this point in time. If there was a deal to be made between these two it probably would have been made a while ago

 

[aqsw]

Brandon Davidson and one of Griffon Reinhart or Ziyat Paigin? heck, maybe even Yakupov?

Solid LD who looks to be developing into a all round second pairing who is young and cheap. Plus a good NHL D prospect.

Works for EDM as Davidson is someone they would likely want to protect in the upcoming expansion draft anyway. And WPG doesn't see much of a drop off in current ability on their D with the addition of a solid future piece.

Keep them all please. We want quality, not quantity.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

I

A. He didn't regress offensively after his first season, he just missed 60 games of the following season
B. He played under Dan Bylsma in 2013-2014. He played under Johnston for half of last year, who managed to make Crosby a sub-PPG player.
C. Letang and Martin missed significant time in 2013-2014, giving Maatta and Niskanen to have expanded roles and more offensive opportunities with Crosby and Malkin.
D. This was Maatta's first full season since 2014, hence why he slowed down drastically later in the season.

You know, that pesky context and stuff.

He's regressed offensively since than and so has his overall play. Idk what else can be said I watched a least 35 to 40 Pens games last season when he was good he was very good but he was very inconsistent. He was also your 4th or 5th best defenseman in the playoffs if you include Daley. One mans context is another mans excuse. I actually like him as a player you Pens though only because I'm not saying he's a bonafide top pairing defenseman you guys are freaking out. I already said I'd kill for him to be the Devils number 2 LHD. You guys only pay attention to the negative when I still think highly of the player I just don't think he's anywhere close to Trouba

And I understand some of those contexts you listed I'm a Devils fan. We had Adam Larson a player more than any that could not be gauged without context, he wrote the book on context.

 

[nzoilerfan]

The add is on the wrong side. Hamonic is cheaper and better at this point in time. If there was a deal to be made between these two it probably would have been made a while ago

100% WPG definitely has to add to Trouba in order to acquire Hamonic. Better defender, used in bigger and tougher minutes, more proven, and on a way more team-friendly contract.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

If rumors are true, Canadian teams aren't an option.

So once again, leaf fans, oiler fans, hate to disapoint you here but i don't think Trouba is coming your way.

This looks like it's less about Winnipeg and more about a guy who has no backbone who let's his family tell him what he should and shouldn't do with his life.

So yup, They want him close to home, Detroit is home, they have nothing so Columbus, etc, American NHL cities around there... Those are the only real options. Philly probably. Boston doesn't have what the Jets want... Philly does, Columbus does. Boston doesn't.

 

[Ainsy01]

Brodie would do it. WPG would have to add a little.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Man, Trouba is extremely overrated around here.

You forgot to use

 

[WTFMAN99]

If rumors are true, Canadian teams aren't an option.

So once again, leaf fans, oiler fans, hate to disapoint you here but i don't think Trouba is coming your way.

This looks like it's less about Winnipeg and more about a guy who has no backbone who let's his family tell him what he should and shouldn't do with his life.

So yup, They want him close to home, Detroit is home, they have nothing so Columbus, etc, American NHL cities around there... Those are the only real options. Philly probably. Boston doesn't have what the Jets want... Philly does, Columbus does. Boston doesn't.

Hard for us as fans to know, as he's an RFA, teams can ask the price on the contract he is seeking or if he's willing to sign at all in Canada.

Unless you have something concrete that says Canada is out, then I'd say we can still discuss the Oilers and the Leafs as viable options if the price met WPG's needs and Trouba's contract demands fell in line with what both clubs would be willing to pay.

Brodie would do it. WPG would have to add a little.

Keep Brodie, he is a special player.

 

[luki here]

Good offers from the last thread:

Gardiner+Dermott based deals for Trouba

Klefbom for Trouba

MDZ+Sanheim for Trouba+Petan

Määttä+ for Trouba, not too bad

hamonic for trouba+some picks sounds bad?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Hey I was wondering if you realized your trading a RHD for all LHD on these super awesome proposals. For a lot of teams that actually matters, most in fact, especially when you're talking about a lot of teams better defensmans I know it matters to my team. Just checking cause I wasnt sure if you're overall hockey knowledge has matured to that point yet.

Huh? You do know that LHD is what we need right? And that RHD are more rare and worth more as a result?

 

[Kurt Cobain]

A. He didn't regress offensively after his first season, he just missed 60 games of the following season
B. He played under Dan Bylsma in 2013-2014. He played under Johnston for half of last year, who managed to make Crosby a sub-PPG player.
C. Letang and Martin missed significant time in 2013-2014, giving Maatta and Niskanen to have expanded roles and more offensive opportunities with Crosby and Malkin.
D. This was Maatta's first full season since 2014, hence why he slowed down drastically later in the season.

You know, that pesky context and stuff.

Do you think it is a coincidence? I wonder why could it be like that...

Also, a nice attempt at firing shots there.

Had to make sure considering trading trouba for an unproven klefbom straight up is a good idea and so is trading him for Gardiner. When the worst trouba will be is gardiner at his best. Just making sure.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Huh? You do know that LHD is what we need right? And that RHD are more rare and worth more as a result?

We've already been over this. It's probably good I brought it up though considering i never saw it mentioned and it would have made a lot of things easier if said in trade proposals involving RHD my own included.

 

[Daximus]

hamonic for trouba+some picks sounds bad?

Hamonic isn't happening.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

So yup, They want him close to home, Detroit is home, they have nothing so Columbus, etc, American NHL cities around there... Those are the only real options. Philly probably. Boston doesn't have what the Jets want... Philly does, Columbus does. Boston doesn't.

To ANH- Nyquist
To DET- Trouba
To WPG- Fowler

It's probably a workable basis for a deal with the right adds. Everybody gets the player they need, even if it's not who they want.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Leaf fan here - agreed that Gardiner is not better than Trouba, and that the trade value definitely favours Trouba by a good margin

It's Gardiner's advanced stats that make him look good - faced middle pairing QoC and was excellent in shot suppression, shot generation and possession metrics. I would venture to say he's a good #3 at this point, but hasn't faced top lines enough to know if he's any better. He still has bonehead plays at times that look bad and are memorable, so they probably tarnish his reputation a little more than they do his stats

Gardiner and Trouba are also very different - Trouba looks much better by the eye test (similar to Rielly) because he's slick with the puck and uses his body, where Gardiner is more of an advanced stats darling

Let you in on a little secret. Trouba has those too. However his advanced stats are also very good. You have to dig a little deeper than a simplistic HERO chart to find it though because he is masked by playing with Stuart who is actually one of the 2-3 worst D men in the league.

The thing with Trouba is that he is good to very good at every aspect of the game. No one thing stands out.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

hamonic for trouba+some picks sounds bad?

What's hamonics contract status, he's signed right for a while? Idk how big that + would be considering Trouba's untapped potential and younger age. But I'm not sure I think the world of hamonic, awesome player, even better person.

 

[Ainsy01]

Keep Brodie, he is a special player.

I wouldnt do it personally, but he seems like good value as far as other Canadian teams go.

Him or Larsson lol

 

[Daximus]

We've already been over this. It's probably good I brought it up though considering i never saw it mentioned and it would have made a lot of things easier if said in trade proposals involving RHD my own included.

That's basically the ask.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

If Trouba is also willing to sit indefinitely the Jets will cave and go for value at some point when faced with the prospect of wasting a high quality asset when they could bring something in that will help the team. That's not right now, but in 3 months? 6 months? They'll break if it goes that long.

Depends on how the team is playing? And during that time Trouba forewent probably $4-5M of potential salary and had his UFA status delayed a year. Lets not pretend he doesn't have something to lose.

 

[Maukkis]

Hard for us as fans to know, as he's an RFA, teams can ask the price on the contract he is seeking or if he's willing to sign at all in Canada.

Unless you have something concrete that says Canada is out, then I'd say we can still discuss the Oilers and the Leafs as viable options if the price met WPG's needs and Trouba's contract demands fell in line with what both clubs would be willing to pay.

The likely option is that "his parents are trying to effect his decision". It was explained on our board, but I'm not going to find it now.

Also, if it counts for anything, Trouba wanted to go to Lawless' radio show, but Overhardt pretty much cancelled that and went there instead of Trouba. It genuinely looks like Trouba and Overhardt aren't on the same page here. It could also mean that Trouba is manipulated by his parents and his agent. But yeah, nothing concrete as of now.

And I don't think Chevy would not deal with Toronto, and probably Edmonton as well. The more trading partners he has, the better. (although the unwillingness to trade Trouba in division may prevent a deal from happening)