Proposal: Trouba all encompassing trade thread - Part 2

[Empoleon8771]

Well when I brought up trouba's inconsitencies in the last thread I was told they're only point related and that his overall play has improved. Which then led to one of them providing me with a link that disproves that notion. I thought it was fair enough. Maatta's issues have been offensively related and overall play. I don't think he's a bad player in fact id love to have him on the Devils second pair. I just think the juries out in whether he remains as just a high end top four or becomes a top pairing defenseman. I don't think I'm being unfair at all.

How has Maatta's issues been offensively related? That's just blatantly incorrect. His issues almost completely stemmed from his skating last year. He's been fine offensively, considering that he doesn't get much PP time at all.

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

And who's next in line at LHD after Morrissey?

Why does that matter?

Are you saying they should get a current top 4 dman because of their lack of LHD depth in the future?

That hardly makes any sense.

 

[leaflover]

Can pretty much forget about the Leafs.
There's no point in them swapping defensemen, they need to add one.

 

[Pez68]

Man, Trouba is extremely overrated around here.

 

[McDLT]

And who's next in line at LHD after Morrissey?

It's a toss up between Mark Stuart and a retired and out of shape Charlie Huddy.

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

I think Gardiner is better than Trouba right now but I'd swap him for Trouba. He's 4 years younger and Gardiner is only a little better than Trouba. Trouba will close the gap soon and pass Gardiner

Gardiner better than Trouba?

What ever happened to Gardiner barely scratching the surface in Toronto? Now that Dion is gone are fans forced to pump his tires?

Gardiner is a good #4 but he is not better than Trouba, come on now.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Good offers from the last thread:

Gardiner+Dermott based deals for Trouba

Klefbom for Trouba

MDZ+Sanheim for Trouba+Petan

Määttä+ for Trouba, not too bad

Hey I was wondering if you realized your trading a RHD for all LHD on these super awesome proposals. For a lot of teams that actually matters, most in fact, especially when you're talking about a lot of teams better defensmans I know it matters to my team. Just checking cause I wasnt sure if you're overall hockey knowledge has matured to that point yet.

 

[Viqsi]

Why does that matter?

Are you saying they should get a current top 4 dman because of their lack of LHD depth in the future?

That hardly makes any sense.

Given that Enstrom is nearing the end of his career, and Morrissey may not actually be ready to take on top-4 duties alongside Myers, and given that the roster has no other significant holes on paper, I'd say it matters a great deal.

But I'm not a Jets fan, so I'm just as happy to just assume that the majority of the Jets fans I've seen commenting on the matter know what they're talking about.

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Hey I was wondering if you realized your trading a RHD for all LHD on these super awesome proposals. For a lot of teams that actually matters, most in fact, especially when you're talking about a lot of teams better defensmans I know it matters to my team. Just checking cause I wasnt sure if you're overall hockey knowledge has matured to that point yet.

Um. I'm pretty sure that's, like, kind of the whole point.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Gardiner better than Trouba?

What ever happened to Gardiner barely scratching the surface in Toronto? Now that Dion is gone are fans forced to pump his tires?

Gardiner is a good #4 but he is not better than Trouba, come on now.

Leaf fan here - agreed that Gardiner is not better than Trouba, and that the trade value definitely favours Trouba by a good margin

It's Gardiner's advanced stats that make him look good - faced middle pairing QoC and was excellent in shot suppression, shot generation and possession metrics. I would venture to say he's a good #3 at this point, but hasn't faced top lines enough to know if he's any better. He still has bonehead plays at times that look bad and are memorable, so they probably tarnish his reputation a little more than they do his stats

Gardiner and Trouba are also very different - Trouba looks much better by the eye test (similar to Rielly) because he's slick with the puck and uses his body, where Gardiner is more of an advanced stats darling

 

[Daximus]

Hey I was wondering if you realized your trading a RHD for all LHD on these super awesome proposals. For a lot of teams that actually matters, most in fact, especially when you're talking about a lot of teams better defensmans I know it matters to my team. Just checking cause I wasnt sure if you're overall hockey knowledge has matured to that point yet.

That is what we want. Which is why the fans of those teams were proposing them in the first place...

 

[Maukkis]

Hey I was wondering if you realized your trading a RHD for all LHD on these super awesome proposals. For a lot of teams that actually matters, most in fact, especially when you're talking about a lot of teams better defensmans I know it matters to my team. Just checking cause I wasnt sure if you're overall hockey knowledge has matured to that point yet.

Do you think it is a coincidence? I wonder why could it be like that...

Also, a nice attempt at firing shots there.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

How has Maatta's issues been offensively related? That's just blatantly incorrect. His issues almost completely stemmed from his skating last year. He's been fine offensively, considering that he doesn't get much PP time at all.

Well he put up 30 points his first year. Is it all a part of the plan that his offense regresses year by year. Playing with the Penguins there is little excuse for him to not be putting up adequate points. PP or not.

 

[Viqsi]

Well he put up 30 points his first year. Is it all a part of the plan that his offense regresses year by year. Playing with the Penguins there is little excuse for him to not be putting up adequate points. PP or not.

"This is what's obvious and visible, therefore it must be the problem."

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

Given that Enstrom is nearing the end of his career, and Morrissey may not actually be ready to take on top-4 duties alongside Myers, and given that the roster has no other significant holes on paper, I'd say it matters a great deal.

But I'm not a Jets fan, so I'm just as happy to just assume that the majority of the Jets fans I've seen commenting on the matter know what they're talking about.

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Um. I'm pretty sure that's, like, kind of the whole point.

Well I dont get why, if it is such a problem about the future of the LHD, why you cant play Enstrom on the left side and let Trouba play his right side. Wouldnt that solve all the problems without the need to possibly lose assets?

Morrissey has been a fine prospect for some years now, so unless they see less in him then before I dont see how he doesnt step up either this year or next.

 

[trebendan]

MDZ and Sanheim for Trouba and Petan is a done deal! Boom!

I like that deal, too, but I'd be pretty surprised if the Flyers went for it. The Flyers are trying to get rid of their long term bad contracts. I'm thinking it might have to be something like:

MDZ, Sanheim & MacDonald ($1M or $2M retained) for Trouba, Petan (or Copp?) & Stuart

 

[Kurt Cobain]

That is what we want. Which is why the fans of those teams were proposing them in the first place...

Ok fair enough I don't know what your situation is.

 

[Rusty Batch]

Jeff Carter for Trouba. As a kings fan I'd hate to open up a #2 C spot. But I'd rather get younger and have to find a #2 C then figuread out a way to get a top 4 young RHD. I think the jets would plug Carter into their #1C role and he probably fits a lot of what they want. Speed, leadership, solid contract and a legit #1 to go along with their fast young wingers.

 

[Maukkis]

Well I dont get why, if it is such a problem about the future of the LHD, why you cant play Enstrom on the left side and let Trouba play his right side. Wouldnt that solve all the problems without the need to possibly lose assets?

Morrissey has been a fine prospect for some years now, so unless they see less in him then before I dont see how he doesnt step up either this year or next.

Oh my god...

Enstrom wasn't, isn't and won't be the problem. He's the only surefire LHD we have as of now. How did you get an impression of him being the one taking ice time from others?

 

[MardyBum]

Our right side : Buff, Myers, Trouba

Our left side : Enstrom, . . . . Maybe Morrissey?

We need LHD, badly.

 

[Maukkis]

Jeff Carter for Trouba. As a kings fan I'd hate to open up a #2 C spot. But I'd rather get younger and have to find a #2 C then figuread out a way to get a top 4 young RHD. I think the jets would plug Carter into their #1C role and he probably fits a lot of what they want. Speed, leadership, solid contract and a legit #1 to go along with their fast young wingers.

Nope. I guess it's OK quality wise, but we would have four centers making 4m or more, and a massive hole in our defense. Plus, I'm pretty certain that some Kings fans have complained about the lack of scoring, so I don't think that deal would help.

 

[WesMcCauley]

I understand the appeal of a Lindholm / Trouba pairing, but I don't think the Ducks need two contract headaches on their hands. That could be a nightmare for a team with an internal cap.

two young stud defensemen signed longterm around 6 mill a year a nightmare? The nightmare=Bieksa, 4+ mill for an average backup in Bernier etc. Not slightly overpaying if they actually overpay at all for guys like Lindholm and Trouba.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Well he put up 30 points his first year. Is it all a part of the plan that his offense regresses year by year. Playing with the Penguins there is little excuse for him to not be putting up adequate points. PP or not.

A. He didn't regress offensively after his first season, he just missed 60 games of the following season
B. He played under Dan Bylsma in 2013-2014. He played under Johnston for half of last year, who managed to make Crosby a sub-PPG player.
C. Letang and Martin missed significant time in 2013-2014, giving Maatta and Niskanen to have expanded roles and more offensive opportunities with Crosby and Malkin.
D. This was Maatta's first full season since 2014, hence why he slowed down drastically later in the season.

You know, that pesky context and stuff.

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

Oh my god...

Enstrom wasn't, isn't and won't be the problem. He's the only surefire LHD we have as of now. How did you get an impression of him being the one taking ice time from others?

What?

I dont get, first off, how Myers plays over Trouba. Secondly, if Trouba is leaving because he wants to play the right side (which I dont think is the whole story) then why is it that they arent playing Byufiglen on the left? Hes a right shot with a heavy shot.

Sorry I said Enstrom before, I meant Byufiglen.

 

[A91]

Jeff Carter for Trouba. As a kings fan I'd hate to open up a #2 C spot. But I'd rather get younger and have to find a #2 C then figuread out a way to get a top 4 young RHD. I think the jets would plug Carter into their #1C role and he probably fits a lot of what they want. Speed, leadership, solid contract and a legit #1 to go along with their fast young wingers.

After Columbus I dont think a small market team will make the mistake of acquiring Carter again.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

"This is what's obvious and visible, therefore it must be the problem."

What are you saying I'm a stat watcher when I've already stated I've watched more Pens games than any other team after the Devils and rangers. While at the same time other Pens fans have agreed to his inconsistency. I actually think he's a damn good player and I'd kill for him to be on the Devils second pair. All I've said is if he's gonna be in a trouba for maata+ the + should be considerate. I just think Maatta is at a point where he'll either be a very good top 4 or a top pairing defensman. Next season is a big year for him in my opinion. Touchy touchy