Proposal: Trouba all encompassing trade thread - Part 2

[BHD]

Hilarious.
Jets fan favorite reply to anything Trouba related applies: Source? Link?

That's not unreasonable when you consider news about the trade request is just breaking, and not in May - when it initially took place.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Yet another game of chicken.

This coming from the same Dreger, Who claimed that Trouba is happy in Winnipeg and felt that Trouba and Cheveldayoff would get a deal done. Dreger is losing all credibility by the hour.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

The speculation and lowball offers started months ago when a Winnipeg hack wrote a story that Trouba wanted 7 mil long term. There was no basis for that story but it turns out there was another story around Trouba. You wouldn't have had to pay much attention to the trade boards to have been aware of it. I may be getting a little testy.

I stay on the Devils board mostly idk why it's a big deal I don't know details about the jets. I doubt you know everything about the Devils. Also it's your team so it's gonna stand out to you more than some one like me who has no reason to pay attention to a team in a different conference. Now you're getting me testy but it's all good brother. I got nothing against you

And damn 7 million? He's not there yet.

 

[SA16]

Chevy is going to do what's best for the Jets, not Jacob Trouba.

If he's going to lose a promising 22 year old right d (which are in short supply), he is going to get a left d that's close to him in age and ability in return and if he doesn't, Trouba can continue to sit.

Chevy and our ownership are a patient group.

Trouba really is the one who stands to lose if this doesn't get resolved by Dec 1st.

That's not doing what's best for the Jets. If Trouba refuses to play for them under any circumstances it would be advantageous to the Jets to trade him for almost anything. Obviously the offers will end up being good because there is a lot of competition. Letting him hold out just spites yourself. You lose one of your best players and get nothing back which is much more harmful than having Trouba improve another team - possibly not even in the Jets division - while also improving the Jets (relative to no Trouba).

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

For someone who isn't close to the situation, is there a cliff notes version?

What I think I know as fact:
- Trouba has requested a trade
- WPG wants a similar age/quality NHL LHD coming back.

What I've seen bantered around but have no idea if it is true, rumor or speculation:
- Wants to have a chance to play on the RHD side.
- Wants a chance to be a #1 RHD
- Doesn't want to play in Canada
- Wants to be close to Michigan
- Wants in the $7M range
- Are there teams that pundits are saying are leaders in pursing him?

 

[KGL]

For someone who isn't close to the situation, is there a cliff notes version?

What I think I know as fact:
- Trouba has requested a trade
- WPG wants a similar age/quality NHL LHD coming back.

What I've seen bantered around but have no idea if it is true, rumor or speculation:
- Wants to have a chance to play on the RHD side.
- Wants a chance to be a #1 RHD
- Doesn't want to play in Canada
- Wants to be close to Michigan
- Wants in the $7M range
- Are there teams that pundits are saying are leaders in pursing him?

That's pretty much the gist of it, although the bolded are rumours/speculation and thus far unconfirmed.

 

[howkie]

That's not doing what's best for the Jets. If Trouba refuses to play for them under any circumstances it would be advantageous to the Jets to trade him for almost anything. Obviously the offers will end up being good because there is a lot of competition. Letting him hold out just spites yourself. You lose one of your best players and get nothing back which is much more harmful than having Trouba improve another team - possibly not even in the Jets division - while also improving the Jets (relative to no Trouba).

Well that is bad asset management. If you gonna trade Trouba you want something good back. If you just trade him and dont get anything good back, you made the opponent better you still just as bad. Dont trade Trouba you dont get better and the opponent dont get better.
I think that is Jets plan atm.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Damn 7 million he's really not there yet. I do believe he will be worth it one day though. He's the perfect example of a guy who should be taking a bridge deal.

 

[Weezeric]

That's not doing what's best for the Jets. If Trouba refuses to play for them under any circumstances it would be advantageous to the Jets to trade him for almost anything. Obviously the offers will end up being good because there is a lot of competition. Letting him hold out just spites yourself. You lose one of your best players and get nothing back which is much more harmful than having Trouba improve another team - possibly not even in the Jets division - while also improving the Jets (relative to no Trouba).

Ya, I'm sure yzerman is really wishing he traded drouin for a second round pick right now....

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

For someone who isn't close to the situation, is there a cliff notes version?

What I think I know as fact:
- Trouba has requested a trade
- WPG wants a similar age/quality NHL LHD coming back.

What I've seen bantered around but have no idea if it is true, rumor or speculation:
- Wants to have a chance to play on the RHD side.
- Wants a chance to be a #1 RHD
- Doesn't want to play in Canada
- Wants to be close to Michigan
- Wants in the $7M range
- Are there teams that pundits are saying are leaders in pursing him?

I think from what i heard was the supposedly $7 million was to stay in Winnipeg Kurt Overhardt denies asking for $7 million so don't know. And that Trouba would accept less to play elsewhere. And the being close to Michigan and not wanting to play in Canada yup saw a few posters saying that they heard something like that but as of now it's just mere speculation and hearsay.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I know the trade requests were for different reasons, but everyone thought that the Lightning with Drouin, the Lightning with St. Louis, the Jets with Kane, and the Islanders with Hamonic were going to have to take less of a return just because the guy requested a trade when in reality, none of them did.

It's a bit different in this case because Trouba isn't under contract, but still, I honestly don't think they need to be in any hurry and can wait for the right deal, whether that is this year or in a future year.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Damn 7 million he's really not there yet. I do believe he will be worth it one day though. He's the perfect example of a guy who should be taking a bridge deal.

I think that was the asking price to remain in Winnipeg, Pretty sure he would ask far less to play elsewhere. Hearing that he wants the Seth Jones deal 6 years @ $5.4 million per would think that he's worth that much.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Maybe around the same time as Morgan Reilly?

Comparison hero chart here

Or from an article on TSN,

...As a shot generator, Trouba is bordering on elite – his comparables here are other high-end shot generators, and a number of these guys (including Dougie Hamilton, Kevin Shattenkirk, Justin Faulk, and Morgan Rielly) are revered as some of the more dynamic, individually skilled players in the league...

... it shouldn’t go unnoticed that Norris-level talents like Victor Hedman and Mark Giordano are considered ‘direct comparables’ on this list.

...sort of stuff is exactly what you want to see when you are targeting a potential first-pairing talent for a trade. He compares well to peers in long samples of performance and seems to make the play of everyone around him better. Usually, that’s the recipe to earmark a young player for a long career as a first-pairing type in the NHL.

But that's not what Leaf fans have been telling me. SOMEONE IS NOT TELLING THE TRUTH!!!!!

 

[Kurt Cobain]

I think that was the asking price to remain in Winnipeg, Pretty sure he would ask far less to play elsewhere. Hearing that he wants the Seth Jones deal 6 years @ $5.4 million per would think that he's worth that much.

Gotcha that makes more sense and is much more reasonable. The Jones and Larsson deals are what he should be looking at in my opinion.

 

[Gnova]

That's not doing what's best for the Jets. If Trouba refuses to play for them under any circumstances it would be advantageous to the Jets to trade him for almost anything. Obviously the offers will end up being good because there is a lot of competition. Letting him hold out just spites yourself. You lose one of your best players and get nothing back which is much more harmful than having Trouba improve another team - possibly not even in the Jets division - while also improving the Jets (relative to no Trouba).

How many years would Trouba be willing to sit?

The Jets are still a couple of years from contending and if Trouba wants to take this year off and extend his rfa time in Winnipeg that is fine with me.

 

[cobra427]

Have you considered that that is Chevy's way of telling Trouba's camp that you have a snowballs chance in hell of being traded at the moment. Chevy will not trade Trouba without getting full value for him and will hold on to his rights until he does

Chevy has known for many months that Trouba is going to be tough to sign. All the rumors over the past few months are likely true that Trouba has been available. Chevy has obviously not been offered the return he would like yet. His best return is likely trading Trouba now or before the season starts. If Trouba sits out after the season starts, his value is going to go down. If he sits out the year, it will further decrease his value.

Chevy has a choice and can get the best deal available now or risk a lesser return in a few months or after he sits out. Trading Trouba now is best for the Jets. Chevy can prove he is right and make him sit. Depends on what is more important, his ego, or the Jets.

 

[Paul4587]

If the issue is about playing the right side in the top 4, the Jets are crazy if they keep Tyler Myers over Trouba.

 

[Kraken Jokes]

I'm surprised to see so much interest from Leafs fans. They seem to have way more RD than LD already.

 

[thadd]

Good offers from the last thread:

Gardiner+Dermott based deals for Trouba

Klefbom for Trouba

MDZ+Sanheim for Trouba+Petan

Määttä+ for Trouba, not too bad

That's not a good offer. It's a scary one.

Davidson-Larsson
Sekera-Trouba
Nurse-Fayne/Gryba
Osterle

Nurse and Trouba are a dream pairing of the future, but Nurse isn't there yet.
Sekera and Trouba would be solid in the offensive zone.
Davidson and Larsson might get the job done next year. It's hard to tell. They'd be getting all of the defensive zone starts. If Davidson is his exact same self this year and stays healthy *knocks on wood* we'd be better off.

Nurse is mobile and is learning how to carry the puck, but he doesn't make reliable enough decisions in the defensive zone at this point. This pairing would get incredibly limited minutes until Nurse shows a significant amount of improvement.

I think Edmonton is safer with what they've got because if Nurse doesn't hit the next level quickly, our top 4 is going to get exposed.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Take your time Chevy... absolutely no need to rush this

 

[Dustin]

But that's not what Leaf fans have been telling me. SOMEONE IS NOT TELLING THE TRUTH!!!!!

Right. Like we haven't had to sit through the last couple of years hearing Jets fans spout how much better Trouba is than Rielly. Give it a rest.

 

[gwh]

For someone who isn't close to the situation, is there a cliff notes version?

What I think I know as fact:
- Trouba has requested a trade
- WPG wants a similar age/quality NHL LHD coming back.

What I've seen bantered around but have no idea if it is true, rumor or speculation:
- Wants to have a chance to play on the RHD side.
- Wants a chance to be a #1 RHD
- Doesn't want to play in Canada
- Wants to be close to Michigan
- Wants in the $7M range
- Are there teams that pundits are saying are leaders in pursing him?

Now that is just silly.

You become valid "best D in the team" and then you get a 7mil contract. He is not even worth 1 RHD at 5.5mil contract this year.

Trouba is worth a 2 year bridge with 4mil AAV. Also count out CBJ, MIN or any other team with Overhardt PTSD.

 

[Dustin]

Now that is just silly.

You become valid "best D in the team" and then you get a 7mil contract. He is not even worth 1 RHD at 5.5mil contract this year.

Trouba is worth a 2 year bridge with 4mil AAV. Also count out CBJ, MIN or any other team with Overhardt PTSD.

Meh I wouldn't mind signing him long term. A Rielly kind of deal would be great.

 

[lomiller1]

While granted that Trouba isn't a top pairing D man, On some teams Detroit included he would be on their top pairing pretty sure he would in Toronto as well maybe a few other teams.

Multiple big name advanced stats guys have looked at him and concluded he’s performed as top pairing D for a couple years now. He finished last season on the Jets top pairing, and was slotted there this year, albeit on the left side not the right. He’s also played with Enstrom as the Jets top pairing for some fairly significant periods over his first 2 seasons.

It can be a little misleading to separate out a players worst D partner because that makes everyone look better, but the only other player in the NHL who spent as much time facing tough competition with a bad D partner last year was McDonough with Girardi, and McDonough didn’t survive the situation nearly as well as Trouba with Stuart.

Take with a grain of salt for the reason given above, but when separated from Stuart Trouba’s impact on shot generation is up with the very best in the NHL while his shot suppression impact is top 30 (AKA #1 D territory). Top pairing, may actually be conservative, he may already be playing at a solid #1 level.

 

[SCP Guy]

His agents has said he has not negotiated a new deal at all with the Jets......yet people keep saying he has asked for 7 mil ..... are you people serious ???


If it wasn't his agent who asked for that deal maybe it was his mom?

Yikes