Proposal: Trouba all encompassing trade thread - Part 2

[gwh]

Overhardt basically said they refused to talk contract with the Jets period in which case that number was pulled from someone’s posterior.

Maybe OVerhardt is tired of teams trading the clients after the stunts?

RyJo, Turris, Dubinsky all got the axe after his stunts. Kuemper is under the hammer.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

You see, this is why i don't trust pshycics...to vague. Name the 3 teams!!

If it's true, which it may not be as I don't know the poster, I'd guess 3 of: NYR, TOR, ARI, DET, and BOS.

 

[McSuper]

Actually, his best option is to wait and see how the year progresses. You never know what will happen between now and Dec 1 and a very good deal may come along. It may even take years to make the trade (see Kane) so Trouba has a choice to play hockey with the Jets or sit out until a trade may be made.

Or sign overseas or sign an offer sheet . He is not under contract and he can have his agent contact teams about an offer sheet

 

[BBKers]

If it's true, which it may not be as I don't know the poster, I'd guess 3 of: NYR, TOR, ARI, DET, and BOS.

Toronto is not in the mix

 

[Fogelhund]

How so? Our only legit top4 dmen are Gardiner and Reilly both are LHD. Marincin looks like he could be a solid 2nd pairing guy, also LHD but can play on his offside. Hunwick is a solid vet but best suited as a 4/5/6 and also a lefty. The only rhd we have is Zaitsev, Polak, Carrack, and Corrado with Zaitsev and most likely Polak on the starting lineup. We need elite RHD

To top it off, all of our best D prospects are LHD. Nielsen, Dermott, Valiev... all Lefties, and all projecting to be NHLer's on the second or third pairing.

I don't even think we have any RHD in the system of any value.

Happy to throw RH Corrado your way, at least will give you an option as the seventh or eighth D, along with Gardiner.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Toronto is not in the mix

so 3 of NYR, ARI, DET, and BOS?

 

[North]

That's not doing what's best for the Jets. If Trouba refuses to play for them under any circumstances it would be advantageous to the Jets to trade him for almost anything. Obviously the offers will end up being good because there is a lot of competition. Letting him hold out just spites yourself. You lose one of your best players and get nothing back which is much more harmful than having Trouba improve another team - possibly not even in the Jets division - while also improving the Jets (relative to no Trouba).

Trading him for almost anything is not what's best for the Jets.

They are calling the shots whether Trouba and Overhardt like it or not.

Trouba is a young right d and those tend to be coveted. His team chose to go public and may have affected the trade market for him, but make no mistake, Chevy is getting what he wants to maximize the return on his asset or Trouba can sit at home playing right d on NHL 17.

 

[Heldig]

Toronto radio is hilarious. Pitching Nylander + Gardiner for Trouba and stating that Winnipeg wouldn't even consider it.

Am I wrong, or does Toronto not even begin to consider that trade, and Winnipeg would take that and run?

I would be shocked/angered if the Jets turned that down.

 

[Gardner McKay]

McDonagh would definitely have to be going the other way, If the Rags want Trouba.

With the names other teams have been throwing out, we have to trade McDonagh? No.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

so 3 of NYR, ARI, DET, and BOS?

Didn't MacKenzie say NYR, BOS and ARI?

 

[Jeti]

That's not doing what's best for the Jets. If Trouba refuses to play for them under any circumstances it would be advantageous to the Jets to trade him for almost anything. Obviously the offers will end up being good because there is a lot of competition. Letting him hold out just spites yourself. You lose one of your best players and get nothing back which is much more harmful than having Trouba improve another team - possibly not even in the Jets division - while also improving the Jets (relative to no Trouba).

There's value in not setting a bad precedent. Trouba is not the last good RFA they'll have to negotiate with. Obviously, you'd rather not be in the situation where a bad precedent could even be set, but they are where they are. For the sake of their future, they can't afford to let him dictate where he goes or overpay him. Nor do I think they have to.

If the trade offers are lackluster, it makes sense to let him rot. However, I don't think it'll come to that because Trouba has a lot more to lose. If he sits until the end of November, he's out 1-2 million. If he loses the year, his development and his career are off the rails. If the Jets don't blink and no one is offering a good trade, Trouba will be begging for any contract at all come late November. At that point, with a team-friendly deal locked up, they'll have an easier time trading him. I expect that'll happen even sooner than November of course - if Trouba really wants out, he'll have to take a bit less money to make trading him easier.

 

[North]

Or sign overseas or sign an offer sheet . He is not under contract and he can have his agent contact teams about an offer sheet

Yes but no team will give him the type of offer sheet he'd need for the Jets not to match.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Just a guess, but I'm predicting he goes to the NYR and it won't be McDonagh coming back and there would be more moves involved as the Ranger's would somehow need to get cap space.

Disclaimer: I have zero inside information and this is just a gut feel so I could be 100% wrong.

Rangers already have tons of overpaid D men, Can't see Gorton adding another one in Trouba. And i still think that if Trouba were to go to the Rags then McDonagh would need to go o Winnipeg.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Didn't MacKenzie say NYR, BOS and ARI?

did he say this on the radio? the only thing I saw on Twitter was:

[Tweet]779832165525811200[/MEDIA]

 

[lomiller1]

And a TSN article has Gardiner as one of the best shutdown dmen in the league.

You seem to have missed the part where he talks about how much Trouba’s numbers have been submarined by his D partner and still being really good in spite of that.


BTW he was just on Winnipeg radio wondering publicly why a Hall – Trouba trade didn’t happen, he felt the Oilers would be crazy not to take Trouba over Larsson. Do you really think Gardiner would command Hall straight up?

Even if Hall wasn’t exactly what the Jets were looking for, it’s another data point for Trouba not wanting to play in Canada. I’d probably have done that trade given all the circumstances (trade demand, Picking Laine, limited depth at D) and tried to fill in the D depth some other way.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Rangers already have tons of overpaid D men, Can't see Gorton adding another one in Trouba. And i still think that if Trouba were to go to the Rags then McDonagh would need to go o Winnipeg.

Yeah, could be. Like I said, there would have to be other moves as well. There's not perfect fit, especially if he really doesn't want to play in Canada, which I realize isn't a fact. Then, most teams that want Trouba don't have a young, top pairing potential LHD to give WPG for Trouba.

Going to be interesting.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

His agents has said he has not negotiated a new deal at all with the Jets......yet people keep saying he has asked for 7 mil ..... are you people serious ???


If it wasn't his agent who asked for that deal maybe it was his mom?

Yikes

Supposedly the $7 million asking price, Came from some guy out of Winnipeg and even Kurt Overhardt denied that number. So take it with a grain of salt.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

did he say this on the radio? the only thing I saw on Twitter was:

[Tweet]779832165525811200[/MEDIA]

I've just read people referencing this, could definitely be wrong.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

With the names other teams have been throwing out, we have to trade McDonagh? No.

Not sure what other D man the Ranger have outside of McDonagh that Cheveldayoff would want seeing that the Rangers already have tons of overpaid D men and then adding another big contract like Trouba to boot.

 

[Matthews34]

Toronto is not in the mix

Why is Toronto out of the mix because you say so???

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

did he say this on the radio? the only thing I saw on Twitter was:

[Tweet]779832165525811200[/MEDIA]

Have to admit Trouba would be a nice top pairing D man along side Oliver Ekman-Larsson that's for sure.

 

[Savant]

Why is Toronto out of the mix because you say so???

No; because McKenzie said so.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Why is Toronto out of the mix because you say so???

Because supposedly there's speculation going around that Trouba wont play in Canada. He only wants to play in the States hence one of the reasons why he wants out of Winnipeg. But as of now it's mere speculation and Hearsay until we know more.

 

[Dustin]

LOL then you're not paying enough attention. Heck it only took 5 posts to be told that Gardiner >> Trouba

Not doing this again. Thread is about Trouba trades not comparisons. For the record I have always liked Trouba and have put in a similar category as Rielly. I'm sure we can both find enough post to support arguments. Let's just leave it at level headed fans can see they they have similar value to their respective teams.

 

[Matthews34]

I would give up a ton to get Trouba. Dmen like him very rarely became available in a trade. He's going to be a stud. I think he bottoms out as a Suter and his top end is a Burns/Weber.