Proposal: Trouba all encompassing trade thread - Part 2

[GoJetsGo55]

Not doing this again. Thread is about Trouba trades not comparisons. For the record I have always liked Trouba and have put in a similar category as Rielly. I'm sure we can both find enough post to support arguments. Let's just leave it at level headed fans can see they they have similar value to their respective teams.

Hey man, I am right there with you.

This is mostly my PTSD from hanging around the trade forum too much bleeding through

 

[Atomos2]

No; because McKenzie said so.

Link?

 

[BBKers]

Why is Toronto out of the mix because you say so???

No. It is according to Eklund,,, not. Why do Toronto fans always go nuts when they realize they are not in the mix?
As to the MacKenzie quoted article here it is - http://www.todaysslapshot.com/nichols-notes/mckenzie-jets-may-seek-high-impact-one-one-trouba-trade/

 

[Neutrinos]

What about something centered around Kadri for Trouba?

The Leafs would have to add, of course, but I'm wondering if Kadri would be a good fit for the Jets

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

What about something centered around Kadri for Trouba?

The Leafs would have to add, of course, but I'm wondering if Kadri would be a good fit for the Jets

Did Kadri spend his summer converting to a left-handed defenceman? If not, no.

 

[Liferleafer]

No. It is according to Eklund,,, not. Why do Toronto fans always go nuts when they realize they are not in the mix?
As to the MacKenzie quoted article here it is - http://www.todaysslapshot.com/nichols-notes/mckenzie-jets-may-seek-high-impact-one-one-trouba-trade/

I just read that whole article...where are you drawing the "Toronto is not in the mix" from that?

And no, i'm not looking to sell the farm for Trouba, but i think our management would without a doubt be in the mix.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

What about something centered around Kadri for Trouba?

The Leafs would have to add, of course, but I'm wondering if Kadri would be a good fit for the Jets

Maybe because Winnipeg doesn't need more forwards, Cheveldayoff wants a top 4 LHD in return for Trouba so it starts with Gardiner+ more then likely.

 

[umwoz]

Honestly.... As much as people are supporting it. I don't think it starts with Gardiner+, I don't think it's anybody+.

The Jets have no reason to trade him for anything other than a player of his caliber. Is it necessarily a LD like many have stated? Unfortunately not. If the Jets were to get an offer that returns a forward of Trouba's caliber, I think they take it.

Why would the Jets settle for anything other than a 1 for 1 deal?

 

[Sniper99]

No. It is according to Eklund,,, not. Why do Toronto fans always go nuts when they realize they are not in the mix?
As to the MacKenzie quoted article here it is - http://www.todaysslapshot.com/nichols-notes/mckenzie-jets-may-seek-high-impact-one-one-trouba-trade/

Why do fans of other teams spew BS that Toronto isnt in the mix and then provide some useless article where nothing at all states that Toronto isnt in the mix?

 

[Weltschmerz]

I just read that whole article...where are you drawing the "Toronto is not in the mix" from that?

And no, i'm not looking to sell the farm for Trouba, but i think our management would without a doubt be in the mix.

Can't find any word about the leafs there either, it only says "Rangers, Arizona, some others".
And not sure if Nichols is getting that wrong here, but he makes it sound as if Bob thinks Risto is a left shot?!

 

[Dustin]

Hey man, I am right there with you.

This is mostly my PTSD from hanging around the trade forum too much bleeding through

Lol. And this crappy situation doesn't make it any easier I'm sure. Either way I doubt Toronto is involved here. While I would love Trouba, we need to add to our defence not swap it.

 

[BBKers]

Can't find any word about the leafs there either, it only says "Rangers, Arizona, some others".
And not sure if Nichols is getting that wrong here, but he makes it sound as if Bob thinks Risto is a left shot?!

People here were asking for the McKenzie quote so I posted it. I did not say that the article excluded Toronto. That I got from elsewhere. And no, I am not at liberty to elaborate further

 

[Matthews34]

Because supposedly there's speculation going around that Trouba wont play in Canada. He only wants to play in the States hence one of the reasons why he wants out of Winnipeg. But as of now it's mere speculation and Hearsay until we know more.

Playing in Winnipeg is a lot different than Toronto. I think it's a Pronger situation where he doesn't want to play in a small market Canadian city even though his agent has made it abundantly clear it isn't a city location issue.

 

[Matthews34]

People here were asking for the McKenzie quote so I posted it. I did not say that the article excluded Toronto. That I got from elsewhere. And no, I am not at liberty to elaborate further

Trouba will traded to Toronto but I'm not at liberty to say how I know that. See I can do that too.

 

[Liferleafer]

People here were asking for the McKenzie quote so I posted it. I did not say that the article excluded Toronto. That I got from elsewhere. And no, I am not at liberty to elaborate further

I have ties within MLSE...(no joke), but every time i post things like you have...the MODS, rightfully so, shut me down. If you can't post a link, don't post stuff as fact.

 

[BBKers]

I have ties within MLSE...(no joke), but every time i post things like you have...the MODS, rightfully so, shut me down. If you can't post a link, don't post stuff as fact.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1903095

Post #12
I am outta here
Good evening guys and gals

 

[GoJetsGo55]

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1903095

Post #12
I am outta here
Good evening guys and gals

Well hot damn!!!! Dude shows up with some credibility haha. Well done.

I want to ask a bunch of questions but am trying to think of how to word them so you can answer.

 

[Fogelhund]

Not doing this again. Thread is about Trouba trades not comparisons. For the record I have always liked Trouba and have put in a similar category as Rielly. I'm sure we can both find enough post to support arguments. Let's just leave it at level headed fans can see they they have similar value to their respective teams.

Level headed Leafs fans realize that Trouba has more value than Gardiner, although we might end up bargaining, debating how much more. It certainly isn't Nylander more, but something around Gardiner, Kapanen, Corrado and a 2nd works from a Leafs perspective.

Of course, he may not want the Leafs at all, if you believe some reports...

 

[GoJetsGo55]

So lets go down a rabbit hole a little bit and say that this dude is legit with his sources.

That puts the list at:
ARI
DET
BOS
NYR

I don't see what DET can offer in the way of LHD so they seem the least likely to me.
BOS has Krug
NYR has Mr. McD
ARI has.....a lot of LHD PROSPECTS I believe but nothing that's really NHL ready now.


P.S. If I am probing too deep, just tell me the ****. I am not looking to get anyone in trouble. I just NEED information because it's killing me lol.

 

[pheasant]

Because supposedly there's speculation going around that Trouba wont play in Canada. He only wants to play in the States hence one of the reasons why he wants out of Winnipeg. But as of now it's mere speculation and Hearsay until we know more.

What difference does it make? Trouba doesn't get to decide where he goes. This isn't one of those NTC/NMC situations where a player can veto a trade if he doesn't like the destination. He doesn't get to give Winnipeg a list of places he can't get traded to.

Not only that, but it isn't like the teams trying to acquire him get to negotiate a contract first. So how is he going to stop someone from offering Winnipeg a fair trade? His agent sure doesn't get invited to the trade negotiations, and Cheveldayoff isn't about to do Trouba any favors by only dealing with teams he wants to play on.

If Trouba is trying to dictate his destination at the same time as holding out, then he is less likely to get dealt at all. And if he is traded to a Canadian team, and he complains about that, too, then he is flushing his career.

I don't think the speculation that he doesn't want to, or will not, play for a Canadian team is absolutely bogus!

 

[Kiwi]

Honestly.... As much as people are supporting it. I don't think it starts with Gardiner+, I don't think it's anybody+.

The Jets have no reason to trade him for anything other than a player of his caliber. Is it necessarily a LD like many have stated? Unfortunately not. If the Jets were to get an offer that returns a forward of Trouba's caliber, I think they take it.

Why would the Jets settle for anything other than a 1 for 1 deal?

All this depends
Are the Jets wedded to getting a LD out of this deal or not because if they are its pretty unlikely its a 1 for 1 deal
There are very few guys out there who fit the LD criteria that are even remotely available
They could get a forward and make a trade for a guy like Fowler (if he's even available ) but they don't seem to be in any hurry to do that so this has a long drawn out stalemate feel about it

 

[Dr Danglefest]

I'm not about to read 22 pages of this thread so forgive me if this has been said and or beaten to death...and give me credit that I'm not throwing a crappy Bruins offer at this thread like I would love to do...

What about something like Trouba to EDM for Nurse + Klefbom?

I know there isn't an immediate top pairing guy or even a top 4 guy if you want to argue that, but A) the potential is there on both to be top 4 guys B) I know what Chevy has stated he wants but GMs rarely get exactly what they ask for and it's pretty close

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

In my opinion Fowler is a much better dman overall, especially defensively., than Gardiner. Fowler is actually younger than Gardiner as well...and he is still a far more capable NHL defenseman.

Fowler is overrated by many. He is younger than Gardiner but Gardiner is under contract for a year longer. Gardiner is better all around.

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Gardiner is pretty good partial return for Trouba.

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Fowler is not very good return for Trouba.

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HERO charts are not everything. They are just snapshots of some aspects of a players performance but what they show, they represent pretty well.

 

[Trxjw]

Rangers already have tons of overpaid D men, Can't see Gorton adding another one in Trouba. And i still think that if Trouba were to go to the Rags then McDonagh would need to go o Winnipeg.

What's the incentive for the Rangers to trade the better player who is likely to be cheaper for the next 3 years?

 

[Esko]

I'm not about to read 22 pages of this thread so forgive me if this has been said and or beaten to death...and give me credit that I'm not throwing a crappy Bruins offer at this thread like I would love to do...

What about something like Trouba to EDM for Nurse + Klefbom?

I know there isn't an immediate top pairing guy or even a top 4 guy if you want to argue that, but A) the potential is there on both to be top 4 guys B) I know what Chevy has stated he wants but GMs rarely get exactly what they ask for and it's pretty close

Nurse and Klefbom is a no go from Edmonton- I think most Oiler fans would agree Klefbom is the most comparable to Trouba in regards to current talent and potential but it would be a lateral move for Edmonton and I think the current management is happy with Klefbom's contract (Larsson and Klefbom Swedish connection I think is a positive as well).

Adding Nurse makes it lopsided for Winnipeg. I think some Oiler fans have discussed Nurse + Yakupov which I don't think Jets fan would be too happy with as they would be banking on Nurse's potential- Yakupov in my opinion is a throw in and the Jets are content with their winger situation.