Proposal: Trouba all encompassing trade thread - Part 2

[GoJetsGo55]

Right. Like we haven't had to sit through the last couple of years hearing Jets fans spout how much better Trouba is than Rielly. Give it a rest.

Are you kidding me. The sheer notion that they may even be close to the same level is attacked every time

 

[thadd]

As for what he wants, I think that he's asking for 7M per season if his team doesn't want to play him more.

This isn't in the Jets' best interest unless they are convinced that

I'm thinking that he'd sign for 20M over 4 years. Really don't know about 5 years. Have my doubts over 5. Wouldn't be surprised if there were 25 teams out there he'd sign a contract before the trade if he were going to one of those teams. They'd eventually have to get rid of Myers or Buff and their left side would still look weak. No way on earth they want to spend that much money on their right side, either.

 

[BBKers]

Trouba is getting dealt. Sooner than later. Likely after WCoH commences. He wants 7 years but not $7M. Three teams in the mix. Watch

 

[MardyBum]

Right. Like we haven't had to sit through the last couple of years hearing Jets fans spout how much better Trouba is than Rielly. Give it a rest.

Sit through the last couple of years?

Lmao.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I wouldn't trade Trouba for a high end forward unless your getting a star or future star. Basically a guy who would be one of your top two forwards at least. Teams would pay a fortune for Trouba.

Trade Trouba for a high end offensive player, look at what Larsson and Jones got. Then trade the top 6 player that's pushed out of the top six by the player acquired for Trouba. Use that guy plus a prospect to get a LHD, if you have to. I mean you guys have enough prospects as is so I think you'll survive lol. Idk I'm just thinkin outside the box. I think it could maximize your assets more so than trading Trouba for Gardner plus a prospect.

True. Being too bloody minded about the Trouba return just lowers his value. Real 3 way trades seem to be a thing of the past but one trade following another does happen and might be the best way forward. It all comes down to value in the end. The important thing is to not be pushed into a bad move. I think that is one thing we can count on from Chevy. Patience is just a process to him.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Just a guess, but I'm predicting he goes to the NYR and it won't be McDonagh coming back and there would be more moves involved as the Ranger's would somehow need to get cap space.

Disclaimer: I have zero inside information and this is just a gut feel so I could be 100% wrong.

 

[Incetardis]

I'm surprised to see so much interest from Leafs fans. They seem to have way more RD than LD already.

How so? Our only legit top4 dmen are Gardiner and Reilly both are LHD. Marincin looks like he could be a solid 2nd pairing guy, also LHD but can play on his offside. Hunwick is a solid vet but best suited as a 4/5/6 and also a lefty. The only rhd we have is Zaitsev, Polak, Carrack, and Corrado with Zaitsev and most likely Polak on the starting lineup. We need elite RHD

 

[aj8000]

Chevy has known for many months that Trouba is going to be tough to sign. All the rumors over the past few months are likely true that Trouba has been available. Chevy has obviously not been offered the return he would like yet. His best return is likely trading Trouba now or before the season starts. If Trouba sits out after the season starts, his value is going to go down. If he sits out the year, it will further decrease his value.

Chevy has a choice and can get the best deal available now or risk a lesser return in a few months or after he sits out. Trading Trouba now is best for the Jets. Chevy can prove he is right and make him sit. Depends on what is more important, his ego, or the Jets.

Actually, his best option is to wait and see how the year progresses. You never know what will happen between now and Dec 1 and a very good deal may come along. It may even take years to make the trade (see Kane) so Trouba has a choice to play hockey with the Jets or sit out until a trade may be made.

 

[Dustin]

Are you kidding me. The sheer notion that they may even be close to the same level is attacked every time

Yes by Jets fans.

 

[Ishad]

Wonder if he ends up playing this year in the KHL.

 

[tbcwpg]

Just a guess, but I'm predicting he goes to the NYR and it won't be McDonagh coming back and there would be more moves involved as the Ranger's would somehow need to get cap space.

Disclaimer: I have zero inside information and this is just a gut feel so I could be 100% wrong.

Which LHD would be coming back from NYR then if it's not McD?

 

[FlyLife]

Trouba is getting dealt. Sooner than later. Likely after WCoH commences. He wants 7 years but not $7M. Three teams in the mix. Watch

Three teams in the mix, eh?

Care to share who they are? And where you are getting this from?

 

[Dustin]

Sit through the last couple of years?

Lmao.

Not sure how this is funny but sure why not.

 

[KGL]

Wonder if he ends up playing this year in the KHL.

If he isn't signed by December, I'd say it's very likely he'd sign in the KHL or another pro league for the remainder of the season.

 

[gwh]

Meh I wouldn't mind signing him long term. A Rielly kind of deal would be great.

That is a 5 mil for 6 years deal.

Are you trying to make my point here, or disagreeing that the next couple RFA years for 4 mil?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Which LHD would be coming back from NYR then if it's not McD?

No clue. Maybe Skjei +, might be a 3 way deal, might be a trade and a trade, and maybe it will be McD. I just feel like Trouba will end up in NY and McD will still be there at the end of the day. Like I said, could be very wrong, just making a prediction.

The problem with a LHD coming back, is there aren't many, if any teams that can or are willing to give a young, LHD the caliber of Trouba in return. I know that's what WPG wants and I'd ask the same, but there aren't a whole lot of dance partners.

 

[gwh]

Trouba is getting dealt. Sooner than later. Likely after WCoH commences. He wants 7 years but not $7M. Three teams in the mix. Watch

Now that is a pretty Nostradamus post.

 

[Atomos2]

Maybe around the same time as Morgan Reilly?

Comparison hero chart here

Or from an article on TSN,

...As a shot generator, Trouba is bordering on elite – his comparables here are other high-end shot generators, and a number of these guys (including Dougie Hamilton, Kevin Shattenkirk, Justin Faulk, and Morgan Rielly) are revered as some of the more dynamic, individually skilled players in the league...

... it shouldn’t go unnoticed that Norris-level talents like Victor Hedman and Mark Giordano are considered ‘direct comparables’ on this list.

...sort of stuff is exactly what you want to see when you are targeting a potential first-pairing talent for a trade. He compares well to peers in long samples of performance and seems to make the play of everyone around him better. Usually, that’s the recipe to earmark a young player for a long career as a first-pairing type in the NHL.

Cute chart. Have you seen Gardiner's hero chart?

If we're gonna go by those charts Trouba has to have a significant add to get Gardiner.

And a TSN article has Gardiner as one of the best shutdown dmen in the league. Same guy too lol.

http://www.tsn.ca/you-don-t-have-to-be-chara-to-be-an-effective-nhl-defenceman-1.358467

 

[Dustin]

That is a 5 mil for 6 years deal.

Are you trying to make my point here, or disagreeing that the next couple RFA years for 4 mil?

Sorry didn't really cone across property there. I am agreeing with you. However you want to structure it is fine but I would be looking at a 5 or 6 year deal in the range of 5 mil.

 

[lomiller1]

And damn 7 million? He's not there yet.

Overhardt basically said they refused to talk contract with the Jets period in which case that number was pulled from someone’s posterior.

He could be lying of course, just like he’s clearly lying when he says it’s about rt vs left side even though Trouba himself is on record multiple times going back to last year saying he doesn’t mind playing the left side as long as he isn’t switching back and forth. It’d be a peculiar thing to lie about though, because it doesn’t make them look any better IMO.

 

[BBKers]

Now that is a pretty Nostradamus post.

I wrote and performed a 60 minute song about Nostradamus once. You can hear it here
Actually true...

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Yes by Jets fans.

LOL then you're not paying enough attention. Heck it only took 5 posts to be told that Gardiner >> Trouba

Cute chart. Have you seen Gardiner's hero chart?

If we're gonna go by those charts Trouba has to have a significant add to get Gardiner.

And a TSN article has Gardiner as one of the best shutdown dmen in the league.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The Jets just don't need any add-ons right now. Our current biggest problem is having too many prospects and not enough roster spots. We currently have our top 6 solidified and our bottom 6 is a dogfight for wingers. Then we have our goalie situation on lockdown, and our RD has no room for additions. So the problem with getting a lesser return with an add-on is that will just get stuck in the log jam that we already have. Another B level prospect will be like 6th in line on our AHL squad. A second round pick will be about the same. If its not an equal LD, the only other thing that we might need is an equal natural centermen who is on the trajectory to be a 3C right now, and a 2C in about 3 years. Unfortunately those are the Jets only 2 needs. It makes trades awkward. They're really looking for a 1 for 1.
Edit: didn't realize you were a Jets fan.

Too many F prospects. That does not apply to D. If Trouba is gone then after Postma we have nothing right now. We have slim hope for Kostalek and long way off hope for Green but that's it. Lindgren would slot in above those 2. The 2nd is just compensation because Lindgren looks a little risky. If we were to draft another D with that pick he would be 4 years away.

Gardiner is the immediate replacement for Trouba. He does not = Trouba. We are not going to get a 1:1 equal trade for a LHD. That just is not happening. The potential candidates are not available. The trading partner needs some incentive to participate. Our D looks pretty good with Gardiner in for Trouba:
Enstrom - Buff
Gardiner - Myers
Morrissey - Postma
Chiarot/Stuart
Not as good as with Trouba but good and depth is also improving.

 

[disgruntleddave]

Toronto radio is hilarious. Pitching Nylander + Gardiner for Trouba and stating that Winnipeg wouldn't even consider it.

Am I wrong, or does Toronto not even begin to consider that trade, and Winnipeg would take that and run?

 

[Liferleafer]

Trouba is getting dealt. Sooner than later. Likely after WCoH commences. He wants 7 years but not $7M. Three teams in the mix. Watch

You see, this is why i don't trust pshycics...to vague. Name the 3 teams!!