Proposal: Trouba all encompassing trade thread - Part 2

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Can somebody remind me why Trouba is worth 5.5 or 6 mil? Is he really that good?

Granted he's not right now, Maybe in a few but if teams want him and have the pieces to get him and if that's what he's seeking then he's going to get it. Heard that he wants at least the Seth Jones deal and that's and that's 6 years @ $5.4 million per so i'm pretty sure that's the very least he would accept.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

How long do you think the Jets can delay trading Trouba?

3 years.

 

[North]

Don't have one but neither does Toronto unless it's Rielly and that's not happening even Toronto is willing to move a 26 year old Gardiner. Detroit only has a 26 year old DDK to deal not saying that Detroit has the pieces that Cheveldayoff wants but how many top 4 22 year old LHD will get moved for Trouba Chevy is very unrealistic here.

Chevy is going to do what's best for the Jets, not Jacob Trouba.

If he's going to lose a promising 22 year old right d (which are in short supply), he is going to get a left d that's close to him in age and ability in return and if he doesn't, Trouba can continue to sit.

Chevy and our ownership are a patient group.

Trouba really is the one who stands to lose if this doesn't get resolved by Dec 1st.

 

[aj8000]

All of this trade talk is humorous.
The only way Trouba sees the NHL this season is in a Jets jersey or on TV.

Exactly

 

[4thline]

but how many top 4 22 year old LHD will get moved for Trouba Chevy is very unrealistic here.

On this we are in agreement.

No kidding.

Jets fans can scream all they want about "chevy" setting the price at a same age, same quality LHD, but that's a short short list and not a whole lot of reasons to make a 1-for-1 swap with players of that calibre. They pretty much have to have that same age, same quality player stuck on the 3rd pairing, or have someone that they think can step in. Who does that leave, Wild with Brodin behind Spurgeon and (potentially) Dumba, and Ducks with Fowler (hopefully) being replaced with Theodore? Throw in the rumoured geographic constraints and that's not exactly an easy recipe to find a dance partner. More likely that it's a lesser 22-27 year old LHD, either top-4 or closer to 22, NHL proven with potential + an expansion exempt future (juiciness depending on the quality of the LHD.)

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Chevy is going to do what's best for the Jets, not Jacob Trouba.

If he's going to lose a promising 22 year old right d (which are in short supply), he is going to get a left d that's close to him in age and ability in return and if he doesn't, Trouba can continue to sit.

Chevy and our ownership are a patient group.

Trouba really is the one who stands to lose if this doesn't get resolved by Dec 1st.

In total agreement with all of this, Trouba is the one that's only going to be hurting himself. This is so typical of Overhardt this is what he does best screw over his clients.

 

[Snowman]

No kidding.

Jets fans can scream all they want about "chevy" setting the price at a same age, same quality LHD, but that's a short short list and not a whole lot of reasons to make a 1-for-1 swap with players of that calibre. They pretty much have to have that same age, same quality player stuck on the 3rd pairing, or have someone that they think can step in. Who does that leave, Wild with Brodin behind Spurgeon and (potentially) Dumba, and Ducks with Fowler (hopefully) being replaced with Theodore? Throw in the rumoured geographic constraints and that's not exactly an easy recipe to find a dance partner. More likely that it's a lesser 22-27 year old LHD, either top-4 or closer to 22, NHL proven with potential + an expansion exempt future (juiciness depending on the quality of the LHD.)

Actually, it's more like the fans of other teams can whine and cry about how much the Jets want and that the Jets have to accept their crap offer. But, unfortunately for them, the Jets are in the drivers seat and Chevy will get what he wants out of any deal he makes.

Sorry, it's just the way it is.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Never said he was, Just saying that there's tons of credible sources saying that he wants to play close to home near Detroit. And Detroit, Columbus and Pittsburgh would be the ones that he would most likely pick.

And unless you're his agent Kurt Overhardt how would you know that he's not going to Detroit.

Chevy will have to bend in his required return. Bend, not break. He will get a top 4 LHD that doesn't quite meet his criteria and make up the difference with another piece or he will make a bigger trade adding to Trouba to get where he needs to go.

Detroit does not have the pieces even assuming Chevy is flexible. At least not unless Larkin is on the table, which he is not. That's how we would know.

Trouba's agent is not going to get to choose where Trouba goes. If the requirements are too restrictive there will be no trade.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Chevy is going to do what's best for the Jets, not Jacob Trouba.

If he's going to lose a promising 22 year old right d (which are in short supply), he is going to get a left d that's close to him in age and ability in return and if he doesn't, Trouba can continue to sit.

Chevy and our ownership are a patient group.

Trouba really is the one who stands to lose if this doesn't get resolved by Dec 1st.

They can be patient. But Trouba not playing isn't beneficial for either party.

Jet's don't have a roster player; nor have assets.

Not saying they should take the best low-ball offer, but I think they'd rather get a deal done sooner than not. Unless the Jet's farm has some solid guys that can take that ice time.

 

[loyaltotheend]

If rumors are true, Canadian teams aren't an option.

So once again, leaf fans, oiler fans, hate to disapoint you here but i don't think Trouba is coming your way.

This looks like it's less about Winnipeg and more about a guy who has no backbone who let's his family tell him what he should and shouldn't do with his life.

So yup, They want him close to home, Detroit is home, they have nothing so Columbus, etc, American NHL cities around there... Those are the only real options. Philly probably. Boston doesn't have what the Jets want... Philly does, Columbus does. Boston doesn't.

Hilarious.
Jets fan favorite reply to anything Trouba related applies: Source? Link?

 

[aj8000]

No kidding.

Jets fans can scream all they want about "chevy" setting the price at a same age, same quality LHD, but that's a short short list and not a whole lot of reasons to make a 1-for-1 swap with players of that calibre. They pretty much have to have that same age, same quality player stuck on the 3rd pairing, or have someone that they think can step in. Who does that leave, Wild with Brodin behind Spurgeon and (potentially) Dumba, and Ducks with Fowler (hopefully) being replaced with Theodore? Throw in the rumoured geographic constraints and that's not exactly an easy recipe to find a dance partner. More likely that it's a lesser 22-27 year old LHD, either top-4 or closer to 22, NHL proven with potential + an expansion exempt future (juiciness depending on the quality of the LHD.)

Have you considered that that is Chevy's way of telling Trouba's camp that you have a snowballs chance in hell of being traded at the moment. Chevy will not trade Trouba without getting full value for him and will hold on to his rights until he does

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

We Rangers fans have toyed with the idea of Brady Skjei and JT Miller for Trouba. Would Jets fans do that?

McDonagh would definitely have to be going the other way, If the Rags want Trouba.

 

[TCNorthstars]

Chevy will have to bend in his required return. Bend, not break. He will get a top 4 LHD that doesn't quite meet his criteria and make up the difference with another piece or he will make a bigger trade adding to Trouba to get where he needs to go.

Detroit does not have the pieces even assuming Chevy is flexible. At least not unless Larkin is on the table, which he is not. That's how we would know.

Trouba's agent is not going to get to choose where Trouba goes. If the requirements are too restrictive there will be no trade.

Dekeyser is the bend that Chevy is looking for.

 

[North]

They can be patient. But Trouba not playing isn't beneficial for either party.

Jet's don't have a roster player; nor have assets.

Not saying they should take the best low-ball offer, but I think they'd rather get a deal done sooner than not. Unless the Jet's farm has some solid guys that can take that ice time.

The thing is, the Jets can afford to wait for the right price.

Does it hurt a little if Trouba is not playing? Sure.

But it hurts Trouba more if this doesn't get decided by Dec. 1st.

He'll have to sit for the year, he will be out a year's earnings, and he'll still owe 4 RFA years.

Trouba is the one that is going to suffer the most damage.

 

[4thline]

Have you considered that that is Chevy's way of telling Trouba's camp that you have a snowballs chance in hell of being traded at the moment. Chevy will not trade Trouba without getting full value for him and will hold on to his rights until he does

Quite possible. He may have no intention of trading him and is just playing chicken to force him into line. Boom or bust game where the only way he loses if if Trouba crosses the pond.

Actually, it's more like the fans of other teams can whine and cry about how much the Jets want and that the Jets have to accept their crap offer. But, unfortunately for them, the Jets are in the drivers seat and Chevy will get what he wants out of any deal he makes.
Sorry, it's just the way it is.

Except for the fact that no one is offering crap, most offers are fair or more than fair. Not being the exact desired asset doesn't change that there is a lot of value being thrown around here. Can you expand on my list of players that fit the criteria and would make any sense to make the trade? Doesn't matter what seat Chevy thinks is in. Either he doesn't really want to make a trade, the above quote is right, or he does and the below quote is right.

Chevy will have to bend in his required return. Bend, not break. He will get a top 4 LHD that doesn't quite meet his criteria and make up the difference with another piece or he will make a bigger trade adding to Trouba to get where he needs to go.

Detroit does not have the pieces even assuming Chevy is flexible. At least not unless Larkin is on the table, which he is not. That's how we would know.

Trouba's agent is not going to get to choose where Trouba goes. If the requirements are too restrictive there will be no trade.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Like the Winnipeg Jets are really my concern lol. I'm a Devils fan and you guys are in a different conference. How on earth would I know, but now you have me confused though. You say months but Trouba just asked for the trade?

The speculation and lowball offers started months ago when a Winnipeg hack wrote a story that Trouba wanted 7 mil long term. There was no basis for that story but it turns out there was another story around Trouba. You wouldn't have had to pay much attention to the trade boards to have been aware of it. I may be getting a little testy.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Chevy will have to bend in his required return. Bend, not break. He will get a top 4 LHD that doesn't quite meet his criteria and make up the difference with another piece or he will make a bigger trade adding to Trouba to get where he needs to go.

Detroit does not have the pieces even assuming Chevy is flexible. At least not unless Larkin is on the table, which he is not. That's how we would know.

Trouba's agent is not going to get to choose where Trouba goes. If the requirements are too restrictive there will be no trade.

Chevy will need to bend his required return here a little, Because if he think he's going to get a 22 year old LHD with similar playing style to Trouba then he's just not being very realistic here. No team is going to pay that price for Trouba who's most likely going to be overpaid any ways.

Granted that Detroit doesn't have the pieces to get Trouba unfortunately. Larkin is definitely off the table and Larkin by himself has more value then just Trouba alone so unless you plan on adding Connor or something like that. It just would never happen. Detroit would definitely have to do a 3 way in any hopes of landing Trouba and i doubt this would happen.

Granted that Overhardt isn't going to choose where Trouba lands, But Overhardt and Trouba can still talk to teams and Trouba can refuse to talk to Canadian teams if he doesn't want to play for them. So in some ways Trouba has leverage there and someone mentioned don't know if it's factual enough that Trouba would only agree to an extension with 4-6 teams it might've been on the Oilers board and it sounded like it could be teams that were close to home. Remains to be seen. Bottom line is that Cheveldayoff controls Trouba for 4 more years and if Chevy doesn't get what he wants he can make Trouba sit out that long. So it only benefits Trouba to try and get something done here ASAP.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

They haven't talked contract with the Jets since May. I'd say this extends far beyond just money.

How so? The usage issue is about achieving to the highest possible level - in order to earn a bigger contract. The location is issue is about getting into a major market - in order to make more money on the side, endorsements etc. I think it all comes down to money in the end. That's why you sign with Overhardt when you turn pro. JMO but I don't see anything but money here.

 

[Heldig]

This thread keeps getting funnier and funnier. Since when did Trouba almighty reach top pairing status? It sure as hell wasn't last year...

Maybe around the same time as Morgan Reilly?

Comparison hero chart here

Or from an article on TSN,

...As a shot generator, Trouba is bordering on elite – his comparables here are other high-end shot generators, and a number of these guys (including Dougie Hamilton, Kevin Shattenkirk, Justin Faulk, and Morgan Rielly) are revered as some of the more dynamic, individually skilled players in the league...

... it shouldn’t go unnoticed that Norris-level talents like Victor Hedman and Mark Giordano are considered ‘direct comparables’ on this list.

...sort of stuff is exactly what you want to see when you are targeting a potential first-pairing talent for a trade. He compares well to peers in long samples of performance and seems to make the play of everyone around him better. Usually, that’s the recipe to earmark a young player for a long career as a first-pairing type in the NHL.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yeah just saw that, Cap Friendly had him listed as a RD instead of LD.

Cap Friendly makes that mistake quite often. Needs double-checking.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Dekeyser is the bend that Chevy is looking for.

Yup realistically for Detroit DDK is the only one the is possibly realistic in a deal for Trouba and by trading him would afford us to sign Trouba long term. Unfortunately i think Chevy could get a better D man back and besides i doubt that Holland would deal DDK for Trouba any ways.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Cap Friendly makes that mistake quite often. Needs double-checking.

Yup that's why i just generally go to their personal sites and get the information from there Cap Friendly makes just to many mistakes on how they list things.

 

[Jim Bob]

Yet another game of chicken.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

This thread keeps getting funnier and funnier. Since when did Trouba almighty reach top pairing status? It sure as hell wasn't last year.

Gardiner for Trouba is fair value, prolly favours the Peg slightly. Any adds to Gardiner are just a friendly gesture and have nothing to do with actual value.

Age and potential do mean something. Look what Larsson and Jones got. So all Trouba is going to get is Jake Gardiner and is Gardiner on the top pair. I thought Reilly was the top pairing LHD? Either way I don't see Gardner getting any better, what you see is what you get. Maybe he's a top pairing guy on the Leafs on a playoff team he's a second pairing guy. A very good one nonetheless. Basically the worst Trouba ends up as a player is what Gardiner is right now. If you could some how get Trouba for Gardiner you should do it in a heartbeat. Build the defense around Reilly and Trouba. That would be a formidable pair in the future, even now. You got time for him to get better and it's not his fault he's been stuck behind Buff and Myers on the right side.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

How so? The usage issue is about achieving to the highest possible level - in order to earn a bigger contract. The location is issue is about getting into a major market - in order to make more money on the side, endorsements etc. I think it all comes down to money in the end. That's why you sign with Overhardt when you turn pro. JMO but I don't see anything but money here.

Did you happen to hear the Kurt Overhardt interview? When Lawless questioned him about Trouba's usage. Lawless had mentioned to him that if Winnipeg was willing to put Trouba on his rightside in the top 4 would Trouba still be playing for Winnipeg and it sounded like to me that Overhardt was evading the question. It still sounded like to me that it has far more then just usage tied to it. The take i got and it seems like some agree with me is that Trouba just doesn't want to be in Winnipeg.