Proposal: Trouba all encompassing trade thread - Part 2

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

To Jets- Condra, Killorn and Slater Koekkoek To Lightning- Jacob Trouba

Once again Winnipeg has zero need for more wingers like Condra and Killorn they're already pretty well set there. And Koekkoek isn't an upgrade compared to losing Trouba doubt that Winnipeg can afford to take on all this cap. Cheveldayoff can get a much better LHD then Koekkoek.

 

[Pongs21]

I'll crack up if the deal ends up being Trouba+ for Lindholm.

I want this to happen so bad!

 

[b in vancouver]

They have the rights and Trouba is at the mercy of the team that drafted him. They have all the time in the world. Sure, it will hurt the team to an extent when there's a hole in the ranks but it will hurt Trouba a whole lot more, the longer he wants to play the game of stalling. The Jets aren't going to win Stanley Cup next year (or that's very unlikely anyway) and they are not going to be pushing any panic buttons. Now, what you are insinuating is that Trouba is all about the money when he has clearly stated he hasn't been happy about his role in the team. Everything we know seems to point into that direction. If this guy wants to play in the NA in the near future, he will either sign with the Jets or with some other team that has the right pieces needed to trade and grab him. Gardiner isn't one of those pieces, or if the Jets' GM seems to think he is, then there's a very good chance Cheveldayoff will be looking for a new job some time soon.

I'm of the belief that if a player wants out or is becoming a headache or distraction - you move him, as quickly and quietly as possible. Don't worry about getting the perfect return. I find it's better for the team going forward. Just turn the page. Sometimes it works out (E. Kane) sometimes it's still up in the air (Hamilton) - but it's better than things dragging out like Gillis did in Vancouver with Hodgson and Luongo and Kesler. Sometimes it works out holding onto a player - Hamonic (although that was never antagonistic - and was understandable) and we'll see how Drouin fits in this year. More often than not though, when the well is poisoned it's poisoned and you don't want it spreading throughout. I know their pros but we've all worked or played with people who just really don't want to be there and it sucks the life out of the room.

As a GM in Chevy's position - I think it's preferable to listen to offers (there should be many) and then just take the best one available whether it's ideal or not. But get it done as quickly as possible. It sends a message that the team comes first - which I think is more valuable than optimizing a return. Make another move if needed - but get that player away from the team.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Actually if you're Chevy you know he's not going to Detroit because the Wings don't have what the Jets want.

I know you're hopeful but it's not happening.

Beg to differ, But Cheveldayoff wanted DDK when he came out of college. And it's been reported that he would take him in a deal for Trouba so yeah obvious Detroit does have what Cheveldayoff would want for Trouba and DDK would be that piece. But unfortunately just don't see Holland trading DDK that would be the sticking point unless he can trade for Fowler as well seeing that Kronwall is no longer a top pairing D-man in Detroit.

 

[lomiller1]

Jake Gardiner
2017 2nd round pick
Connor Carrick/Viktor Loov


Jacob Trouba
Any short term bad contract


This trade would set up some nice LHD depth for the jets, Carrick can move the puck well and would be a nice bottom pairing dman or if you guys preferred a bigger, hard nosed dman, that plays psychical Loov is also an option. Gardiner is the main piece coming back, and a 2nd round pick this year which is likely going to be in the 30-40 range, early seconds have historically yielded similar results to a late 1st round pick, so theres a lot of extra value there. As if the pot wasn't sweetened the Leafs also take a bad contract there way.

Not even close. Trouba’s 22 year old a top pairing D man, you won’t get that for Gardiner and spare parts. If Gardiner is the LHD coming back Toronto needs to add big, but from the sounds of it he’s really only interested in playing in the US so Toronto would be unlikely to even make an offer.

 

[Mugzy97]

Personally I think acquiring Trouba would be detrimental to the leafs if its going to cost the leafs Gardiner+. Moving a player who is by almost all metrics a top pairing defenseman for another defenseman who has top pairing potential just because he plays the right side is risky. Add into the fact that you're moving additional assets like kapanen + an early 2nd and it really sours the deal for me.

Jake isn't available for Trouba.

Scratch that off the list.

Not even close. Trouba’s 22 year old a top pairing D man, you won’t get that for Gardiner and spare parts. If Gardiner is the LHD coming back Toronto needs to add big, but from the sounds of it he’s really only interested in playing in the US so Toronto would be unlikely to even make an offer.

I'm a pretty big Gardiner fan, he's a great player. I hope the leafs don't send him to Winnipeg for Trouba, especially if we add to him. That will leave a hole in our left side. There will be better options come up if we're patient.

I could see Trouba ending up in Minny.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Not even close. Trouba’s 22 year old a top pairing D man, you won’t get that for Gardiner and spare parts. If Gardiner is the LHD coming back Toronto needs to add big, but from the sounds of it he’s really only interested in playing in the US so Toronto would be unlikely to even make an offer.

Rumor has it not only in the States but in the Eastern corner of the States doesn't want to play out west but as close to home near Detroit as possible so maybe Columbus Pittsburgh if they can shed some cap maybe Philly or Boston.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

Once again Winnipeg has zero need for more wingers like Condra and Killorn they're already pretty well set there. And Koekkoek isn't an upgrade compared to losing Trouba doubt that Winnipeg can afford to take on all this cap. Cheveldayoff can get a much better LHD then Koekkoek.

I think thats unfair to Koekkoek, but Killorn and Condra... Winnipeg doesn't want that.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I'm a pretty big Gardiner fan, he's a great player. I hope the leafs don't send him to Winnipeg for Trouba, especially if we add to him. That will leave a hole in our left side. There will be better options come up if we're patient.

I could see Trouba ending up in Minny.

Trouba wants close to $6 million per long term, How's Minny going to be able to afford that especially paying Suter $7.5 million per for the foreseeable future. Besides word has it that Trouba wants to play in the east close to home near Detroit doubt that he has any interest in playing in Minny still to close to Winnipeg.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I think thats unfair to Koekkoek, but Killorn and Condra... Winnipeg doesn't want that.

Might be unfair to Koekkoek, But like i said compared to the other LHD that Cheveldayoof can get for Trouba he's not an upgrade period.

 

[Mugzy97]

Trouba wants close to $6 million per long term, How's Minny going to be able to afford that especially paying Suter $7.5 million per for the foreseeable future. Besides word has it that Trouba wants to play in the east close to home near Detroit doubt that he has any interest in playing in Minny still to close to Winnipeg.

Ehh forget what I said. For some reason I figured Minny was looking for a RD but I have no idea why as they really are not.

 

[tbcwpg]

I'm a pretty big Gardiner fan, he's a great player. I hope the leafs don't send him to Winnipeg for Trouba, especially if we add to him. That will leave a hole in our left side. There will be better options come up if we're patient.

I could see Trouba ending up in Minny.

Offer from a division rival would need to be insane to take, and the cap doesn't work. Don't think the Jets are in a rush to take a bad contract to make it work either.

Gardiner would be one of my ideal returns but I can understand the reluctance to give him up. Toronto is the closest nhl city to Detroit I believe so even though it's canada it might be ideal for him as well.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

Might be unfair to Koekkoek, But like i said compared to the other LHD that Cheveldayoof can get for Trouba he's not an upgrade period.

You do understand that whatever the return is, it'll likely be multiple, very good parts, right? In the sense that Trouba is very good, and there just aren't guys of his caliber and age on the market... he likely won't get a defender that is better than Trouba.

 

[Channelcat]

Offer from a division rival would need to be insane to take, and the cap doesn't work. Don't think the Jets are in a rush to take a bad contract to make it work either.

Gardiner would be one of my ideal returns but I can understand the reluctance to give him up. Toronto is the closest nhl city to Detroit I believe so even though it's canada it might be ideal for him as well.

I'm not even a big fan, but I tend to agree. I think with a Leaf add on, I could see this happening.

 

[57special]

I'm a pretty big Gardiner fan, he's a great player. I hope the leafs don't send him to Winnipeg for Trouba, especially if we add to him. That will leave a hole in our left side. There will be better options come up if we're patient.

I could see Trouba ending up in Minny.

Why? MINN doesn't need Dmen. Spurgeon is a top pairing RHD, Brodin plays the offside just fine, and Dumba is an up and coming RHD. Yes, they have excess LHD, but if they trade one of them it will be for a C or RW.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

We Rangers fans have toyed with the idea of Brady Skjei and JT Miller for Trouba. Would Jets fans do that?

 

[flyersfan018]

Might be unfair to Koekkoek, But like i said compared to the other LHD that Cheveldayoof can get for Trouba he's not an upgrade period.

So you're expecting them to get an upgrade on Trouba? No chance.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Offer from a division rival would need to be insane to take, and the cap doesn't work. Don't think the Jets are in a rush to take a bad contract to make it work either.

Gardiner would be one of my ideal returns but I can understand the reluctance to give him up. Toronto is the closest nhl city to Detroit I believe so even though it's canada it might be ideal for him as well.

We don't know yet, But if the rumors are true that he wasn't happy in Winnipeg and he wants to play closer to home near Detroit and word is that he has no desire to play in Canada only the States then he can refuse any deal with any Canadian city sounds like Trouba wants to play in the east as close to home near Detroit. So it sounds like Detroit, Columbus maybe Pittsburgh if they can shed enough salary possibly Philly Boston New Jersey Rangers but sounds like Detroit would be the #1 destination if the rumors are true that is.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

So you're expecting them to get an upgrade on Trouba? No chance.

Pretty sure that Cheveldayoff will seek the candidate as close to Trouba, Saying that Cheveldayoff will get a comparable D-man back like Trouba granted it's not very realistic. Especially at 22 years of age and the exact same skill set GMs just aren't going to move those guys not even for Trouba.

 

[Liferleafer]

Not even close. Trouba’s 22 year old a top pairing D man, you won’t get that for Gardiner and spare parts. If Gardiner is the LHD coming back Toronto needs to add big, but from the sounds of it he’s really only interested in playing in the US so Toronto would be unlikely to even make an offer.

When did that happen?

 

[Maukkis]

We Rangers fans have toyed with the idea of Brady Skjei and JT Miller for Trouba. Would Jets fans do that?

McDonagh or bust. Asked and answered before, nothing has changed since.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

When did that happen?

While granted that Trouba isn't a top pairing D man, On some teams Detroit included he would be on their top pairing pretty sure he would in Toronto as well maybe a few other teams.

 

[Hunter368]

These trade proposal's were on the Fansided site

Leafs get Jacob Trouba
Jets get JVR, Connor Carrick and a 2nd in 2017

Leafs get Jacob Trouba
Jets get Gardiner, C. Carrick and K. Kapenen

Leafs get Jacob Trouba
Jets get M. Marner and a 2nd in 2017

Leafs get J. Trouba, E. Comrie, D. Stafford
Jets get JVR, C. Carrick, K. Kapenen. M. Marincin and a 2nd rounder in 2017

Being a Leafs fan I would love the last one. Let the discussion begin.

Offers 1 & 4 are brutal for Jets.

Offer 2 is about right.

Offer 3 doesn't fill a Jet need and would force us to make another trade to get a top 4. But good value

 

[cwede]

McDonagh or bust. Asked and answered before, nothing has changed since.

it cant be McDonagh, just opens a new hole to fill the old hole

Skjei and McIklrath, 2 yound 1st round D,
Skjei takes Trouba's minutes,
Dylan takes Trouba's spot behind Buff and Manute

 

[Flair Hay]

When did that happen?

His metrics suggest he is but you are right he hasn't had to prove it yet. That's supposedly the reason this is all happening in the first place.