Value of: Trevor Zegras this offseason

[Qwijibo]

Gomez isn't a good comparable since he was 30 when he was traded to Montreal while Zegras is only 23.

Drouin is closer to Zegras as a comparable age-wise but Zegras has accomplished a lot more in his early career than Drouin had by the same age.

Regardless. Moving a rhd with top pairing potential for a one dimensional scoring winger is bad business

 

[Daz28]

Good post although I think fans put too much emphasis on "winning" a trade. IMO, GM's are more about trying to get what they perceive to be fair value in order to make their team better...either now or in the future. Montreal seems to be keen on Zegras if the last six months of rumors are to be believed. I can understand Anaheim wanting Guhle or Reinbacher in return. Ultimately, I think a Zegras for Reinbacher deal makes the most sense from a value perspective for both teams but that certainly doesn't mean it will happen that way. We'll likely know one way or another in the next 19 days.

If PV had Zegs and JD at 22 and 23 yrs old, and ends up with Gauthier and Reinbacher at 19 and 20, it would be borderline wizardry, I'm still high on Zegras though, and he may be the best player of the trades, though.

 

[StreetHawk]

Regardless. Moving a rhd with top pairing potential for a one dimensional scoring winger is bad business

I agree. I don't see the Habs really close, so they should be focused on building the core base of a team. Which means building up the blueline since they really don't have any young guys that have secured their spot on the roster for the coming years.

 

[ChopSuey]

VB does not like Z's immature showboat persona. VB is old school. Z will be traded

 

[99ovr]

What would it take to Get Zegras out to Ottawa? I'm not sure the fit is right but that it would be pretty interesting...

If anything were to get done, it'd probably be Pinto for Zegras, I could see something like Pinto+2nd for Zegras

 

[Emerald Duck]

Regardless. Moving a rhd with top pairing potential for a one dimensional scoring winger is bad business

You've highlighted Reinbacher's top pairing potential yet downgraded and concluded Zegras tops out as a one dimensional scoring winger.

Zegras has shown he's putting in the work to develop a better 2 way game. He may never compete for the Selke but he is a young top 6 center with 1C potential on many teams. There are not a lot of young 60 pt players who people believe has more upside still to come.

 

[Qwijibo]

You've highlighted Reinbacher's top pairing potential yet downgraded and concluded Zegras tops out as a one dimensional scoring winger.

Zegras has shown he's putting in the work to develop a better 2 way game. He may never compete for the Selke but he is a young top 6 center with 1C potential on many teams. There are not a lot of young 60 pt players who people believe has more upside still to come.

Either way, a top pairing right shot d Is harder to get and generally considered for more valuable than a top line winger. Zegras is an interesting player, but if the cost has to include one of Guhle, Reinbacher or the 5th OA, Then I'm more than happy to see Montreal look elsewhere.

 

[Gliff]

What would it take to Get Zegras out to Ottawa? I'm not sure the fit is right but that it would be pretty interesting...

If anything were to get done, it'd probably be Pinto for Zegras, I could see something like Pinto+2nd for Zegras

No interest in trading Zegras for another forward unless it is a clear upgrade like Tkachuk. Pinto ain’t it.

 

[Garbageyuk]

If ANA wants one of the D, why not swap with MTL, 3rd for 5th?

From MTL perspective, they would be guaranteed to get one of Lindstrom or Demidov, while for ANA, there’d be a good chance they could still get the D they want, plus gain additional asset(s) in the process.

I think the conversation would obviously start with the 26th overall. What else, if anything, could be added from the MTL side to get this done?

 

[The Duck Knight]

I'd be all over that as a Duck fan because I'd be happy with any of Levshunov/Dickinson/Buium.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

If ANA wants one of the D, why not swap with MTL, 3rd for 5th?

From MTL perspective, they would be guaranteed to get one of Lindstrom or Demidov, while for ANA, there’d be a good chance they could still get the D they want, plus gain additional asset(s) in the process.

I think the conversation would obviously start with the 26th overall. What else, if anything, could be added from the MTL side to get this done?

I think most Ducks fans and Montreal fans have been cool with the idea of... it makes sense if anaheim plans on going dmen(specially if we really like a guy like yakemchuk/buium)... we get an extra asset for our troubles.... and MTL for sure comes out of the draft with 1 of Lindstrom/Demidov

Ana: 3rd overall
MTL: 5th + 26th

That being said, there is a solid chance we really like Lindstrom, and can use zegras to get defensive help, or feel our defense is fine with the correct free agent signing(say roy), that leaves us with
Fowler _________
Mintyukov Roy
Zellweger Gudas
Lacombe, Hinds

The gap w/ fowler ends up being either Luneau or Lidstrom if Luneau isnt ready for action yet.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Well I guess that settles it lmao. It seems realistic enough. I hope it gets done.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Well I guess that settles it lmao. It seems realistic enough. I hope it gets done.

It really just depends how badly Montreal wants 1 of Demidov/Lindstrom... and if anaheim has no interest in either.

The other hold up, is prob if we are really high on Levshunov
- If chicago doesnt take him, hes ours at 3... and im not convinced hed be there at 5(even with chicago for sure taking a forward)

 

[Garbageyuk]

I think most Ducks fans and Montreal fans have been cool with the idea of... it makes sense if anaheim plans on going dmen(specially if we really like a guy like yakemchuk/buium)... we get an extra asset for our troubles.... and MTL for sure comes out of the draft with 1 of Lindstrom/Demidov

Ana: 3rd overall
MTL: 5th + 26th

That being said, there is a solid chance we really like Lindstrom, and can use zegras to get defensive help, or feel our defense is fine with the correct free agent signing(say roy), that leaves us with
Fowler _________
Mintyukov Roy
Zellweger Gudas
Lacombe, Hinds

The gap w/ fowler ends up being either Luneau or Lidstrom if Luneau isnt ready for action yet.

If I was ANA, no way I’d pass on one of the top D for a C when MacTavish, Carlson, and Zegras are in the system.

Even from MTL’s perspective, my gut is telling me it’s ill advised to pass up on one of Buium, Dickinson, or Silayev for either Lindstrom or Demidov. I actually have Lindstrom and Demidov ranked 5 and 6 on my own list, but the team needs offense.

With ANA being in the opposite position (needing defense over offense), I think it would be an easy decision for me.

From the Habs perspective, even if we were drafting 2nd overall, I’d still be very tempted to take one of Buium, Dickinson, or Silayev and then sort the rest out via trade after the fact.

MTL is kind of in a tough spot either way, imo, despite a lot of the casual fans being of the “forward at all costs” mind right now. But the abundance of D in MTL’s system makes the risk from going non-BPA for one of Lindstrom or Demidov more acceptable.

 

[MMC]

I wouldn't do that

 

[Vivaldi]

im sure the ducks would love to trade their young 60+ point forward, for a 30 year old broken, 30-40 point goon signed to a terrible contract. nice of you to think the caps are gambling on Zegras as well lol

the 30 year old broken 30-40 point goon more than doubled the young unbroken 60+ point forward in both points and games played this year, but seething noted.

 

[lwvs84]

For this to make sense a few things have to happen. The assumption right now is that Lev is going to the Hawks at #2. If Ducks don't want to pick Demidov and view 2 guys (lets say Silayev and Lindstrom) as equal on their board and Demidov is Montreal's pick, this trade makes sense. Ducks pick up an extra 1st, get one of the guys they would have taken, and Montreal is guaranteed to get Demidov.

Same could happen if Demidov/Lindstrom go 2, Montreal is desperate for a forward, and Ducks are desperate for a d-man and view Lev/Silayev as equal with Montreal wanting Lindstrom at 3.

If Ducks have a clear favorite, they'll keep 3 and take him (unless it's someone rated lower like Yak). If Montreal likes Lindstrom and Demidov equally, they could risk one dropping to 5 if Lev goes 2. If Ducks view a D and a forward equally, they are probably going to go D. Hopefully if they view someone as BPA, they pick that player over need, though.

 

[Prairie Habs]

Earlier I would have been interested in this, now that it's even more clear how close all these guy are ill just be happy with whoever falls to us. No sense burning a late 1st for a guy we might get anyway.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

the 30 year old broken 30-40 point goon more than doubled the young unbroken 60+ point forward in both points and games played this year, but seething noted.

Yeah, Zegras was hurt this year. It was a completely miserable year for him and he still had a better PPG than Wilson. He also has over 30 more points the last three years despite Zegras being in his early 20s and Wilson in his prime.

 

[Vivaldi]

Yeah, Zegras was hurt this year. It was a completely miserable year for him and he still had a better PPG than Wilson. He also has over 30 more points the last three years despite Zegras being in his early 20s and Wilson in his prime.

Yeah, the only thing that matters when comparing those 2 players is points. Well, not points this year since Wilson doubled him up, but PPG (since 15 in 31 is a orders of magnitude more impressive than 35 in 74). You got me, I was offering a carbon copy of Trevor Zegras who scores less.

 

[StreetHawk]

You've highlighted Reinbacher's top pairing potential yet downgraded and concluded Zegras tops out as a one dimensional scoring winger.

Zegras has shown he's putting in the work to develop a better 2 way game. He may never compete for the Selke but he is a young top 6 center with 1C potential on many teams. There are not a lot of young 60 pt players who people believe has more upside still to come.

I agree that you can't go best case for 1 player and not do the same for the other.

Still would not move a D prospect whom you hope can play big minutes for a skilled winger.

 

[FrankMTL]

Earlier I would have been interested in this, now that it's even more clear how close all these guy are ill just be happy with whoever falls to us. No sense burning a late 1st for a guy we might get anyway.

I agree. I'll take my chances with number 5 and try to make a trade with a team to move up from number 26 to grab another high potential player.

 

[General Fanager]

At least one of Lindstrom/Demidov/ Iginla will be there at #5. Possibly all 3


No need to move up to #3. If they want to move up from 26 to low teens then thats a deal I would look into for sure....

 

[Garbageyuk]

I agree. I'll take my chances with number 5 and try to make a trade with a team to move up from number 26 to grab another high potential player.

A worthwhile trade up from 26 probably costs more than the jump from 5th to 3rd, considering the drop off after around 15-17

 

[dracom]

the 30 year old broken 30-40 point goon more than doubled the young unbroken 60+ point forward in both points and games played this year, but seething noted.

if wilson is so good, why would you want to trade him? Ducks will be just fine taking the "gamble" of keeping their guy.