Value of: Trevor Zegras this offseason

[dracom]

Thought the Ducks want to move Zegras out though?

they dont. every report has been teams calling the Ducks about him, never the other way around.

 

[Fatass]

they dont. every report has been teams calling the Ducks about him, never the other way around.

Wasn’t there reporting a couple months ago about the Ducks shopping TZ?

 

[DavidBL]

Wasn’t there reporting a couple months ago about the Ducks shopping TZ?

Nope.. just that his name has come up in discussions. IE the Ducks did not "Shut down" teams asking about him. Which apparently means the Ducks are trying to move him and Z is a terrible player/teammate which character issues, etc...

 

[Fatass]

Nope.. just that his name has come up in discussions. IE the Ducks did not "Shut down" teams asking about him. Which apparently means the Ducks are trying to move him and Z is a terrible player/teammate which character issues, etc...

Maybe the Ducks have made the draft the date they take the best offer made up to that point?

 

[DavidBL]

Maybe the Ducks have made the draft the date they take the best offer made up to that point?

I would be surprised. To me this has played out exactly how Ducks fans would have expected. Teams are asking, PV is asking for a LOT because they do actually value the player but if a team blows his socks off he'd consider it, that is his job. To me this is teams are asking, and PV is saying "sure we can talk about Z, but this is the type of return I want" and it has turned into the monstrosity of Z trade threads and other teams fans telling the Ducks fans how bad Z is for a winning team. A GM's asking price for a player is a way for a GM to say a player is untouchable without saying he's untouchable.

 

[Baksfamous112]

I think Reinbacher is the type of young RHD the Ducks would need to make a deal like this make sense for their side. I can understand if he's not someone the Habs are going to part with, but that likely means there's just no deal to be made.

That’s what the article was saying. Guhle is too important and plays a big role on a rather young and inexperienced D. He’s a no go imo.

Reinbacher is NHL ready. He will step in as soon as next year and management seems really high on him. It’s not impossible they move him but very unlikely.

This makes a lot of sense.

Realistically, I could see two trades scenarios...Reinbacher for Zegras (1-1 no adds) or 5OA for Zegras (1-1 no adds). The latter scenario would make sense if Montreal thought Zegras was better than any potential player available at 5OA. Waiting to see who is available at 5OA may not work for one or both teams because it ties up their assets and prevents them from making alternative deals (especially Anaheim with Zegras).

out of Reinbacher and 5OA I would prefer to move out 5OA just because I’m super high on Reinbacher but then again I haven’t seen the RHD in this draft play so I don’t have anything to compare with

I think that’s prob a likely scenario…. Montreal will prob need to wait and see how the draft goes down.

I def could see PV really liking Reinbacher and guhle as fits here.

I think if that draft scenario plays out montreal is basically deciding on who the 2 best are out of

Reinbacher vs levshunov(or Dickinson) vs guhle
Montreal prob going to have to move some young dmen at some point why not aim for a top 6 forward with a lot of untapped potential

What we’ve been hearing is Montreal doesn’t seem to want to move Guhle or Reinbacher (yet). I think they really like him.

In my opinion, they would prefer to find a player for 26OA ++ rather than 5OA or Reinbacher but we both know that’s never going to lend them a Zegras caliber player. They may change their mind at the draft if both Demidov and Lindstrom are gone. They might be more open to moving on from Reinbacher if there is one RHD they think has a similar upside to Reinbacher and is still available.

There's a lot of IF in there and a lot of possible scenarios. The weeks leading up to the draft are going to be fun with a lot of speculations from both sides. Anaheim looks to be ready to move on from Zegras and Montreal has the resources/assets to make a deal work.

 

[Baksfamous112]

they dont. every report has been teams calling the Ducks about him, never the other way around.

To be fair, when you have a player of Zegras quality at his age, you don't need to do the calling. Teams will call you alright

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

That’s what the article was saying. Guhle is too important and plays a big role on a rather young and inexperienced D. He’s a no go imo.

Reinbacher is NHL ready. He will step in as soon as next year and management seems really high on him. It’s not impossible they move him but very unlikely.

out of Reinbacher and 5OA I would prefer to move out 5OA just because I’m super high on Reinbacher but then again I haven’t seen the RHD in this draft play so I don’t have anything to compare with

What we’ve been hearing is Montreal doesn’t seem to want to move Guhle or Reinbacher (yet). I think they really like him.

In my opinion, they would prefer to find a player for 26OA ++ rather than 5OA or Reinbacher but we both know that’s never going to lend them a Zegras caliber player. They may change their mind at the draft if both Demidov and Lindstrom are gone. They might be more open to moving on from Reinbacher if there is one RHD they think has a similar upside to Reinbacher and is still available.

There's a lot of IF in there and a lot of possible scenarios. The weeks leading up to the draft are going to be fun with a lot of speculations from both sides. Anaheim looks to be ready to move on from Zegras and Montreal has the resources/assets to make a deal work.

I mean of course they would rather use 26++ over the 5th/reinbacher or guhle... but anaheim really has no reason to do less than those 3.

Every report has said more or less, anaheim is listening but not proactively looking to trade him.... montreal seems to be highly interested in zegras. Maybe they dont want to move those 3 pieces for him, but that might be what it takes to get PV to change his mind.... and maybe montreal is more comfortable waiting to see how the draft pans out.

Well see, but PV i dont think is in a rush to move Zegras, nor should he be. So if montreal doesnt want to pay what PV wants, or isnt willing to negotiate a trade around those pieces, then i doubt we see a move this year.

 

[StreetHawk]

That’s what the article was saying. Guhle is too important and plays a big role on a rather young and inexperienced D. He’s a no go imo.

Reinbacher is NHL ready. He will step in as soon as next year and management seems really high on him. It’s not impossible they move him but very unlikely.

Don't see the point of Montreal moving one of those Dmen for a skilled winger.

None of their young Dmen have really locked down a surefire place on the roster. Given the value of Dmen over Wingers, you should find out what you have first on the backend.
Harris, Xhekaj, Barron, Guhle, Stuble, Mailloux, Reinbacher, Norlinder, Hutson, etc.. No one is a lock to be there in 2-3 years. Better to find out first than add a winger with 3 years remaining of control (2 really before a decision is needed).

This is an organization where Gainey moved non NHL yet McDonaugh for established Gomez and Bergervin moved non NHL yet Serg for Drouin. Seems like this would be going down the same path.

 

[Vivaldi]

Zegras for Wilson straight up?

Capitals need to get Milano going at all costs, can afford to gamble on Zegras and his potential upside
Ducks get their le Pat Verbeek tough as nails RW to watch over Terry, Carlsson, Gauthier, McTavish

 

[tomd]

Zegras for Wilson straight up?

Capitals need to get Milano going at all costs, can afford to gamble on Zegras and his potential upside
Ducks get their le Pat Verbeek tough as nails RW to watch over Terry, Carlsson, Gauthier, McTavish

Anaheim says yes if your time machine can transport Tom Wilson back to 2017.

 

[dracom]

Zegras for Wilson straight up?

Capitals need to get Milano going at all costs, can afford to gamble on Zegras and his potential upside
Ducks get their le Pat Verbeek tough as nails RW to watch over Terry, Carlsson, Gauthier, McTavish

im sure the ducks would love to trade their young 60+ point forward, for a 30 year old broken, 30-40 point goon signed to a terrible contract. nice of you to think the caps are gambling on Zegras as well lol

 

[Boo Boo]

Zegras for Wilson straight up?

Capitals need to get Milano going at all costs, can afford to gamble on Zegras and his potential upside
Ducks get their le Pat Verbeek tough as nails RW to watch over Terry, Carlsson, Gauthier, McTavish

if you need to get Milano going try waiving him?

 

[Baksfamous112]

I mean of course they would rather use 26++ over the 5th/reinbacher or guhle... but anaheim really has no reason to do less than those 3.

Every report has said more or less, anaheim is listening but not proactively looking to trade him.... montreal seems to be highly interested in zegras. Maybe they dont want to move those 3 pieces for him, but that might be what it takes to get PV to change his mind.... and maybe montreal is more comfortable waiting to see how the draft pans out.

Well see, but PV i dont think is in a rush to move Zegras, nor should he be. So if montreal doesnt want to pay what PV wants, or isnt willing to negotiate a trade around those pieces, then i doubt we see a move this year.

What I meant is they might prefer to use 26++ to get a player of a lesser caliber than Zegras and keep both their D and 5OA. Without naming names, someone like Newhook who is already a top 9 but could grow into a top 6 role.

Lots of possible scenarios. In an ideal world, both Demidov and Lindstrom are gone at 5 and Montreal trades their pick straight up for Zegras. I think he would be lethal with Dach and Anderson* if he can get his touch back. That would give us a very balanced top 6.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

What I meant is they might prefer to use 26++ to get a player of a lesser caliber than Zegras and keep both their D and 5OA. Without naming names, someone like Newhook who is already a top 9 but could grow into a top 6 role.

Lots of possible scenarios. In an ideal world, both Demidov and Lindstrom are gone at 5 and Montreal trades their pick straight up for Zegras. I think he would be lethal with Dach and Anderson* if he can get his touch back. That would give us a very balanced top 6.

Ya I actually like zegras as a fit for Montreal, lot of guys that can put the puck in the net…. And a creative playmaker like zegras might excel under MSL, and with those types of players.


But I don’t see zegras going without a pretty big piece coming back ie: Reinbacher guhle or 5th…. And idk that Montreal is ready to part with those types of pieces.

Maybe Montreal waits and sees if Demidov is there at 5, and if not zegras is next option and moves 5 for him….. or a guy like Dickinson/levshunov/buium are there at 5 and Montreal feels they can trade from a position of power.

Curious to see if Montreal can trade back up to the 8 spot(if they moved 5th for zegras) and snag iginla or senneke… and come out of draft with zegras + 1 of those 2

 

[Clint Eastwood]

Just gonna repost this, because people seem to be forgetting that when it comes to Anaheim, these insiders know nothing:

I also think Frank Seravelli started these rumors, no? And based on some of his pissy back-and-forths with Gibson's agent, it seems like he has an axe to grind with Anaheim.

 

[HabsAddict]

IF the Habs have Z, Sennecke and Hutson on the same team, it's either going to be a treat watching opposing defenseman go crazy...or turn into club yielding beasts.

Habs would the NHL highlight real machine...but can you take this guys to a cup final?

Or too much fancy?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

IF the Habs have Z, Sennecke and Hutson on the same team, it's either going to be a treat watching opposing defenseman go crazy...or turn into club yielding beasts.

Habs would the NHL highlight real machine...but can you take this guys to a cup final?

Or too much fancy?

That so something Montreal has to figure out themselves…. But part of playing for the cup is getting into the playoffs, and right now forward(specifically high skill) seems like a weakness for them.

I don’t think caufield on paper looks like a guy you want on a playoff team, but he had a solid run as a young player.

 

[HabsAddict]

That so something Montreal has to figure out themselves…. But part of playing for the cup is getting into the playoffs, and right now forward(specifically high skill) seems like a weakness for them.

I don’t think caufield on paper looks like a guy you want on a playoff team, but he had a solid run as a young player.

We got some heavy duty grit coming up in Little X and Beck. But they are bottom 6.

Defensense has X, Mailioux, Guhle, Struble and the rest.

I'm old enough to remember all our great teams (17 cup parades) and they ALWAYS had a lot of grit and warrior mentality to go along with fancy.

This is shaping up to one heck of interesting off season.

 

[Daz28]

Don't see the point of Montreal moving one of those Dmen for a skilled winger.

None of their young Dmen have really locked down a surefire place on the roster. Given the value of Dmen over Wingers, you should find out what you have first on the backend.
Harris, Xhekaj, Barron, Guhle, Stuble, Mailloux, Reinbacher, Norlinder, Hutson, etc.. No one is a lock to be there in 2-3 years. Better to find out first than add a winger with 3 years remaining of control (2 really before a decision is needed).

This is an organization where Gainey moved non NHL yet McDonaugh for established Gomez and Bergervin moved non NHL yet Serg for Drouin. Seems like this would be going down the same path.

This seems like a logical take, but the idea is to winning the trade is to understand the assets better than the other GM. If one of either Guhle or Rein don't pan out/fit the plan, then it may be too late to use them as a chip to acquire a player of Zegras caliber. PV just used Drysdale to acquire Gauthier. If they waited 2 more years only to find out JD is a 3/4 guy, then he doesn't fetch you Gauthier.

 

[StreetHawk]

This seems like a logical take, but the idea is to winning the trade is to understand the assets better than the other GM. If one of either Guhle or Rein don't pan out/fit the plan, then it may be too late to use them as a chip to acquire a player of Zegras caliber. PV just used Drysdale to acquire Gauthier. If they waited 2 more years only to find out JD is a 3/4 guy, then he doesn't fetch you Gauthier.

With PV, Drysdale is what barely 6 feet, PMD, coming off a shoulder surgery. They had another option in Zelleweger. I never expected both of them to be on the Ducks together long term. Gauthier was also a C at BC, switching from W, so that is also a factor.

I think you are better off rolling the dice to try to develop the more premier position.

 

[tomd]

This seems like a logical take, but the idea is to winning the trade is to understand the assets better than the other GM. If one of either Guhle or Rein don't pan out/fit the plan, then it may be too late to use them as a chip to acquire a player of Zegras caliber. PV just used Drysdale to acquire Gauthier. If they waited 2 more years only to find out JD is a 3/4 guy, then he doesn't fetch you Gauthier.

Good post although I think fans put too much emphasis on "winning" a trade. IMO, GM's are more about trying to get what they perceive to be fair value in order to make their team better...either now or in the future. Montreal seems to be keen on Zegras if the last six months of rumors are to be believed. I can understand Anaheim wanting Guhle or Reinbacher in return. Ultimately, I think a Zegras for Reinbacher deal makes the most sense from a value perspective for both teams but that certainly doesn't mean it will happen that way. We'll likely know one way or another in the next 19 days.

 

[Qwijibo]

Zegras for Reinbacher just reeks of Drouin/Sergachev all over again. Hopefully Hughes has more sense than Bergevin did

 

[StreetHawk]

Zegras for Reinbacher just reeks of Drouin/Sergachev all over again. Hopefully Hughes has more sense than Bergevin did

Also the Gainey move for Gomez for McDonaugh. Pretty much all of Gomez, Drouin, Zegras are similar skilled smaller forwards. And the impact of McDonaugh and Serg on their new clubs is undeniable. McDonaugh went to a cup finals in NYR before 3 more with TB. Serg with 3 cup finals with TB.

 

[tomd]

Also the Gainey move for Gomez for McDonaugh. Pretty much all of Gomez, Drouin, Zegras are similar skilled smaller forwards. And the impact of McDonaugh and Serg on their new clubs is undeniable. McDonaugh went to a cup finals in NYR before 3 more with TB. Serg with 3 cup finals with TB.

Gomez isn't a good comparable since he was 30 when he was traded to Montreal while Zegras is only 23.

Drouin is closer to Zegras as a comparable age-wise but Zegras has accomplished a lot more in his early career than Drouin had by the same age.