Player Discussion Trent Frederic

[KrejciMVP]

No one is saying he carried Hall....the numbers do show he was just as good without Hall, you're free to take whichever conclusion from that, but it definitely isn't being said that he was carried.

funny how Hall became a top playoff performer in the Florida series not being misused on the 3rd line and held back by anchors

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Not purely Hall... the fact the majority of the season Frederic played with Coyle (could be a 2C on lesser teams), and a confirmed top 6 winger in Zacha/Hall/Bertuzzi... in a 3rd line role. Would you argue that Frederic was not the complementary player with two far established/superior players? It simply must have some factor in your evaluation of Frederic, no? Clinging to the "Hall did not play 100% of Frederic's minutes" agenda indicates otherwise?

Where has anyone said - least of all me - that he’s a line driver? He complements Coyle incredibly well. In a third line role. That’s a good thing. It’s everyone else trying to discredit him by saying Hall carried him or other wingers carried him.

Knocking him down for playing with Smith or Foligno because they’re established or Hall or Bertuzzi or Zacha because they’re superior when his numbers are the same regardless of that wing is pretty specious.

Guy is a good third line wing. Paid a pittance for what his production is. This is all a good thing, but if you read back throughout this and other threads he’s just a passenger that got lucky and won’t ever repeat his play. That I take issue with.

 

[NDiesel]

funny how Hall became a top playoff performer in the Florida series not being misused on the 3rd line and held back by anchors

Wasn't he on line 2 the past two postseasons before this one? I'm not sure why this is turning into a Hall discussion though...

 

[NDiesel]

No, I was asking about whom he played with best and whom on the roster would fill that spot next season. Like I said there as well, you are all thinking I’m trying to set a trap for you when I was literally asking a question about who he’d work best with, and how to put him in the best possible spot to succeed.

Not one person thinks it's a trap, multiple people were happy to answer you.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Where has anyone said - least of all me - that he’s a line driver? He complements Coyle incredibly well. In a third line role. That’s a good thing. It’s everyone else trying to discredit him by saying Hall carried him or other wingers carried him.

Knocking him down for playing with Smith or Foligno because they’re established or Hall or Bertuzzi or Zacha because they’re superior when his numbers are the same regardless of that wing is pretty specious.

Guy is a good third line wing. Paid a pittance for what his production is. This is all a good thing, but if you read back throughout this and other threads he’s just a passenger that got lucky and won’t ever repeat his play. That I take issue with.

Before we label Frederic a good 3rd line winger (especially underpaid) let us see how he does this season without the quality of line drivers he did play with last season. Agree? That is my point. He needs to show he can step up his own impact where he may need to drive the line more this season and going forward is all I have been saying. He had one game with the two late goals last season where he was critical to the outcome. Build on this. Determine his identity and realize his potential. Last season most likely was an outlier and will be until he replicates. He may, he may not.

Hit as well. He vanishes physically more often than not when a good "playoff charge" is most welcome. The Bruins need Lucic to bring that out in Frederic. He does not need to fight/enforce, he is not that player we've seen.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Before we label Frederic a good 3rd line winger (especially underpaid) let us see how he does this season without the quality of line drivers he did play with last season. Agree? That is my point. He needs to show he can step up his own impact where he may need to drive the line more this season and going forward is all I have been saying. He had one game with the two late goals last season where he was critical to the outcome. Build on this. Determine his identity and realize his potential. Last season most likely was an outlier and will be until he replicates. He may, he may not.

Hit as well. He vanishes physically more often than not when a good "playoff charge" is most welcome. The Bruins need Lucic to bring that out in Frederic. He does not need to fight/enforce, he is not that player we've seen.

Disagree. He’s a third liner. Why do we have to see him play with lesser players to determine if he’s good? The average third line forward is about 21 points. People just can’t seem to get their heads around that.

 

[Dr Quincy]

If you don’t allow for any projection of growth - or credit for a year that saw a leap from a young player - then yeah, I guess. It’s just a pretty narrow way of looking at the world and renders your opinion of Frederic even more meaningless.

There's a big difference between allowing for projection of growth and writing it down as if it's a fait accompli. It's perfectly reasonable to say that Freddy could build on last year and solidify himself as a very good 3rd liner.

It's also perfectly reasonable to say that last year was quite different than his other seasons and that it's possible some regression happens.

The point that Frederic needs to prove it for another year seems perfectly valid to anyone without a pretty narrow way of looking at the world.

 

[LSCII]

Not one person thinks it's a trap, multiple people were happy to answer you.

Yet you refuted why I asked? That doesn't track.

 

[EverettMike]

Fun thread. Can people anchor their expectations--with the understanding that his performance will depend on utilization/health, what would people deem a successful 2024 season from Freddy?

For me? Finishing it with another organization.

 

[DKH]

Statistical data like the number of games the B's played in the playoffs without Krejci and Bergeron and the number of goals scored in Clifton's final 4 periods of the playoffs?
Yup I totally know that type.

Clifton 11 goals last 4 periods

Bergeron scored 2nd goal game 5

Krejci gsme 7 scored or assisted on all 3 goals

You need to send Lonnie in here to tell me I lack transparency- unfortunately they never covered what that means at St Mary’s in Danvers in Sister Margaret’s English class

Yet you refuted why I asked? That doesn't track.

All I know is you attacked me

 

[DKH]

I would like to apologize to everyone for providing statistical data that was positive about Trent Frederic

I’ll try to be more transparent on HF going forward (I’m trying to use in a sentence, hopefully this works because I’m not 100% sure of the meaning)

 

[NDiesel]

Yet you refuted why I asked? That doesn't track.

You couldn't have missed my point more....

 

[UncleRico]

It’s just that if you put the “anomaly” tag on any young player who makes a jump then every young player has hit his ceiling. Jack Hughes had 99 points last year - his previous high was 56. I’m guessing you don’t think 99 is an anomaly -
and of course Frederic is nowhere near Hughes - but it’s the same logic. Do you need to see Hughes prove it to you again?

Or a lesser example…Carter Verhaeghe went from a career high of 55 to 73 points with 42 goals last year. Is that an anomaly? Or is it a young player getting better?

Frederic is obviously a different class of player, but the magnitude is also way less. You’re using this kind of logic as a way to justify that you don’t like the player and never have. But who else gets the same treatment from you?

It’s funny because you do the same treatment on the opposite spectrum. You will go on about how guys like barbashev are anomalies and one good season. Even going as far as saying you believe Frederic is currently a better player than barbashev.

You do this for a lot of players.

Then on the opposite end if it’s frederic or any bruins player for that matter you will say it’s not an anomaly.

You two are on the same spectrum just opposite ends. Just flip the arguments.

 

[LSCII]

You couldn't have missed my point more....

Did I though? Not so sure I did, tbh

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

It’s funny because you do the same treatment on the opposite spectrum. You will go on about how guys like barbashev are anomalies and one good season. Even going as far as saying you believe Frederic is currently a better player than barbashev.

You do this for a lot of players.

Then on the opposite end if it’s frederic or any bruins player for that matter you will say it’s not an anomaly.

You two are on the same spectrum just opposite ends. Just flip the arguments.

I'm on the fence for the most part (slightly leaning pro-freddy) and its why I've been enjoying sitting back reading both sides.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Clifton 11 goals last 4 periods

Bergeron scored 2nd goal game 5

Krejci gsme 7 scored or assisted on all 3 goals

You need to send Lonnie in here to tell me I lack transparency- unfortunately they never covered what that means at St Mary’s in Danvers in Sister Margaret’s English class


All I know is you attacked me

Don't know where you are getting your 11 from.

 

[hrdpuk]

Frederic is a big strong young C/W that can score. He's adaptable enough to play top 9 minutes.
As far as line mates go, it's a team sport anyone that thinks line mates shouldn't matter doesn't understand hockey.
His contract is not an overpay

 

[LSCII]

Clifton 11 goals last 4 periods

Bergeron scored 2nd goal game 5

Krejci gsme 7 scored or assisted on all 3 goals

You need to send Lonnie in here to tell me I lack transparency- unfortunately they never covered what that means at St Mary’s in Danvers in Sister Margaret’s English class


All I know is you attacked me

By asking you a question on what you posted? Really? Attacked? LOFL!!

You're better than this Dan. Way better.

 

[NDiesel]

Did I though? Not so sure I did, tbh

Yeah, it flew right over your head and onto Freddy's stick

 

[UncleRico]

I'm on the fence for the most part (slightly leaning pro-freddy) and its why I've been enjoying sitting back reading both sides.

Ya same, at the start of this I said retain because they physically need cheap bodies. I personally would have preferred a slightly cheaper contract for Frederic, but it is what it is at this point

Frederic is kind of in the same category as geekie for me. I want to see another year and have the consistency follow.

 

[LSCII]

Yeah, it flew right over your head and onto Freddy's stick

Which he then shot wide right...

 

[NDiesel]

Which he then shot wide right...

But who was his linemate?

 

[LSCII]

But who was his linemate?

I've heard from expert authorities that it doesn't matter at all, sooooo....

 

[Dr Quincy]

nevermind

 

[PB37]

I think there's some things we can all find common ground on

- he's progressed slowly, but each year he's been a better player than the prior season

- he needs to find a consistency in his physical game

- his size, willingness to fight, and ability to play all three positions are welcome traits for the team

- he needs to find a way to get on the scoreboard in the playoffs - playoff runs can live or die on clutch goals ( or goose eggs ) from their bottom 6 role players