Player Discussion Trent Frederic

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That’s exactly what I wanted to see, so thank you. I really do appreciate it.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Okay so despite your reluctance to show the details let’s just net it out. Of the folks Coyle and Freddy played with last season who was the most effective, would you say? And if that player or players are no longer on the team, who on the roster is closest to that guy skiilwise and style wise?

You all seem to be assuming I’m trying to set a trap or something, when in reality I want them to set the guy up for his best chance for success. I have my doubts he’s going to be able to duplicate his shooting perecentage from last year but I’ll be more than happy to see him prove me wrong.

The last thing I want to see is them forcing players to be on the same line because they’re limited roster wise. One of the worst mistakes over the last 5 years was constantly playing Krejci and JDB together year after year despite the clashing styles of play. It was maddening.


Dude, seriously stop. I’m always objective about everyone on the rooster. I didn’t want him waived, I merely questioned whether he belonged on fhat roster at the time. And he probably didn’t tbh. But there’s a world of difference between sending a guy to Providence for seasoning and what you’re claiming, no?

The point is that it didn’t matter if it was Taylor Hall or AJ Greer riding shotgun, Frederic was effective with Coyle.

 

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The point is that it didn’t matter if it was Taylor Hall or AJ Greer riding shotgun, Frederic was effective with Coyle.

Okay, so who do you play him with next year if you were the coach?

 

[Colt.45Orr]

Dude, seriously stop. I’m always objective about everyone on the rooster. I didn’t want him waived, I merely questioned whether he belonged on fhat roster at the time. And he probably didn’t tbh. But there’s a world of difference between sending a guy to Providence for seasoning and what you’re claiming, no?

*players gets claimed on waivers.

GM that lost player for nothing: "Hey!! I was seasoning him!!!"

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Okay, so who do you play him with next year if you were the coach?

Coyle. My guess is Lucic will start on the other side of them if they’re the third line. Because you can’t bury Lucic on the fourth line into 80%+ DZ starts unless you’re a sadist. I wouldn’t have signed Lucic to begin with, but since he’s here that’s what I would do. They’d probably get equal minutes as the “second” line - Coyle and Frederic that is - due to PK time.

 

[Colt.45Orr]

Okay, so who do you play him with next year if you were the coach?

That was actually the exact discussion we were trying to have before you interjected with your "intellectually dishonest" blahblahblahbullshit.

 

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That was actually the exact discussion we were trying to have before you interjected with your "intellectually dishonest" blahblahblahbullshit.

Touched a nerve, did I?

*players gets claimed on waivers.

GM that lost player for nothing: "Hey!! I was seasoning him!!!"

And if at the time he would have needed to go through waivers, then you obviously could have moved him. At no point here the entire time I’ve posted have I said to devalue an asset and get nothing for one. So my point about your claim being nonsense stands.

 

[Kegs]

You wanted to waive him last summer, so why pretend you're objective on him now?

Got ‘em. He hateeeees him. Always has.

 

[EverettMike]

Got ‘em. He hateeeees him. Always has.

I know. I bet if Lonnie coached the Bs he would bench Frederic when the games mattered most. Can you even imagine?

 

[Over the volcano]

I know. I bet if Lonnie coached the Bs he would bench Frederic when the games mattered most. Can you even imagine?

Certainly worked so far.

 

[Colt.45Orr]

I know. I bet if Lonnie coached the Bs he would bench Frederic when the games mattered most. Can you even imagine?

And how did that work out?


Frederic had an underwhelming playoffs, but we were up 3-2 in the series with him in, and went 0-2 when he was taken out and "the games mattered most".

I'd love you hear how you guys are going to (s)pin the game 6 and 7 losses on him.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Marshy, you know the type - presented with science or statistical data they don’t like they make up shit and tell you you’re wrong

Statistical data like the number of games the B's played in the playoffs without Krejci and Bergeron and the number of goals scored in Clifton's final 4 periods of the playoffs?
Yup I totally know that type.

 

[chizzler]

I need an army hat. Shrapnel flying everywhere.

 

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And how did that work out?


Frederic had an underwhelming playoffs, but we were up 3-2 in the series with him in, and went 0-2 when he was taken out and "the games mattered most".

I'd love you hear how you guys are going to (s)pin the game 6 and 7 losses on him.

This is the intellectual dishonesty I’m talking about. You’re actually suggesting the reason they lost is due to Frederic being benched? Hilarious.

Changing the lines above to reinsert Krejci and Bergeron had a far bigger impact than sitting Frederic, if you’re being honest.

 

[EverettMike]

And how did that work out?


Frederic had an underwhelming playoffs, but we were up 3-2 in the series with him in, and went 0-2 when he was taken out and "the games mattered most".

I'd love you hear how you guys are going to (s)pin the game 6 and 7 losses on him.

I mean, I'm not, cause that would be dumb and totally not the point. But you know that.

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

Nice, this boards a lot more entertaining when the TF thread is live and healthy.

 

[EverettMike]

Nice, this boards a lot more entertaining when the TF thread is live and healthy.

Unfortunately it also has long stretches of inactivity when you don't even notice it's out there.

 

[NDiesel]

Dude, seriously stop. I’m always objective about everyone on the rooster. I didn’t want him waived, I merely questioned whether he belonged on fhat roster at the time. And he probably didn’t tbh. But there’s a world of difference between sending a guy to Providence for seasoning and what you’re claiming, no?

How are you going to come here talking about intellectual dishonesty in an argument and then claim you have nothing against the guy, even though you spent the entire 2022 season saying shit like:

Why? What have you honestly seen from this clown that warrants anything other than him in Providence?

Fully agree. Frederic isn’t good enough to stick on a deep roster.

Surely doesn't seem like you wanted him down there for more seasoning...but maybe I'm reading into it wrong? I also left out the few posts you called him a moron with low hockey IQ and didn't scan through the other 44 pages of the thread.

Regardless, here we are a season later, hes scored 17 goals, had a good season, yet here we are still ripping the guy for some strange reason, probably because it's easier than admitting you got it wrong.

I like your posts usually, but it seems incredibly hard to have an honest discussion with you on Freddy when you take every opportunity you get to try and convince everyone he's not a good player.

 

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How are you going to come here talking about intellectual dishonesty in an argument and then claim you have nothing against the guy, even though you spent the entire 2022 season saying shit like:





Surely doesn't seem like you wanted him down there for more seasoning...but maybe I'm reading into it wrong? I also left out the few posts you called him a moron with low hockey IQ and didn't scan through the other 44 pages of the thread.

Regardless, here we are a season later, hes scored 17 goals, had a good season, yet here we are still ripping the guy for some strange reason, probably because it's easier than admitting you got it wrong.

I like your posts usually, but it seems incredibly hard to have an honest discussion with you on Freddy when you take every opportunity you get to try and convince everyone he's not a good player.

Who claimed I have nothing against the guy? I think I've been very clear and consistent with my criticisms of his game over the years. He's a fake tough guy with a low hockey IQ, and his actions in the past have hurt the team. He had a decent season last year and I think he'll be hard pressed to duplicate it again. That doesn't mean I'm rooting against him or won't be happy if he proves me wrong.

 

[NDiesel]

Who claimed I have nothing against the guy? I think I've been very clear and consistent with my criticisms of his game over the years. He's a fake tough guy with a low hockey IQ, and his actions in the past have hurt the team. He had a decent season last year and I think he'll be hard pressed to duplicate it again. That doesn't mean I'm rooting against him or won't be happy if he proves me wrong.

But you literally said the same shit last offseason...word for word that you'd be happy if he proves you wrong...so what exactly would that entail if scoring 17 goals and 31 points isn't it?

 

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But you literally said the same shit last offseason...word for word that you'd be happy if he proves you wrong...so what exactly would that entail if scoring 17 goals and 31 points isn't it?

Again, I've said all along that one season is nothing more than an anomaly. I don't get excited over it like some others here are because I doubt whether he can replicate his shooting percentage from last year. But if you do think he's a good player and is going to be a consistent 17 goal scorer in this league, what does it matter if someone else doesn't? I was a huge proponent for Marchand to make the team well before most others here. I didn't see the need to run around and break those people's balls over them having a different opinion because his play eventually won them over. Same thing here. I don't have much faith in Frederic doing what he did last year on a consistent basis, but he can prove me wrong with his play. And I'll be happy if he does because it ultimately benefits the team.

What I don't get is why you and others have the need for everyone else to see things the way you do and how intolerant you all are about it. The guy has one decent season in 5 years. I'll wait until he's done it more than once before I believe it.

 

[NDiesel]

Again, I've said all along that one season is nothing more than an anomaly. I don't get excited over it like some others here are because I doubt whether he can replicate his shooting percentage from last year. But if you do think he's a good player and is going to be a consistent 17 goal scorer in this league, what does it matter if someone else doesn't? I was a huge proponent for Marchand to make the team well before more others. I didn't see the need to run around and break those people's balls over them having a different opinion because his play eventually won them over. Same thing here. I don't have much faith in Frederic doing what he did last year on a consistent basis, but he can prove me wrong with his play. And I'll be happy if he does because it ultimately benefits the team.

What I don't get is why you and others have the need for everyone else to see things the way you do and how intolerant you all are about it. The guy has one decent season in 5 years. I'll wait until he's done it more than once before I believe it.

Come on now. You have spent multiple seasons and offseasons arguing that Freddy doesn't belong in the NHL and now that his season was an anomaly, and you don't think that you are trying to get other people to see things the way you do?

 

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Come on now. You have spent multiple seasons and offseasons arguing that Freddy doesn't belong in the NHL and now that his season was an anomaly, and you don't think that you are doing the exact same thing you just complained about in the bolded?

I have and if he reverts back to what he's typically done, I stand by my statements. Do you think that he truly was a must play prior to his big season? If he goes out there next year and puts up his prior career average of 16ish points, is that a guy you need on the ice at all times? Even if you take the season before where he had a .30 PPG average, is a 25 point guy a must play? Like I said, I don't see it. If he puts up another 15 goal season, okay he's showing consistency which would be something he's never done before

But like I said before, the intolerance by folks like yourself to allow other people to question his play is laughable. We're talking about a guy with one season of over 30 points. He's not Gretzky here

 

[NDiesel]

I have and if he reverts back to what he's typically done, I stand by my statements. Do you think that he truly was a must play prior to his big season? If he goes out there next year and puts up his prior career average of 16ish points, is that a guy you need on the ice at all times? Even if you take the season before where he had a .30 PPG average, is a 25 point guy a must play? Like I said, I don't see it. If he puts up another 15 goal season, okay he's showing consistency which would be something he's never done before

I don't think depth guys are ever must plays, but he was 23 turning 24 the season before last and showed good improvement jumping from 8 points to 18 and playing 60+ games up from 45. Another season later he shows more progression and has 17 goals and 31 points. At 2.2 mil if he has a poor showing next season then you take him out of the lineup, simple as that, just as Foligno should have been the previous season.

I am not looking for the guy to be a top 6 player, I am looking for him to show improvements, which he has. I know he isn't "young" anymore, but the reason I believe in him this season is that bigger guys like him generally start to hit their best seasons from 26-29, so that is where my optimism comes from.

To me the final improvement he needs to show isn't replicating last season, but showing up in the playoffs, if they make it.

How is disagreeing with you intolerance? It's a discussion board ffs, don't share your opinion if you can't handle people disagreeing. Look at how much energy you put into discussing a 30 point guy, then you call out other people for doing the same

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I have and if he reverts back to what he's typically done, I stand by my statements. Do you think that he truly was a must play prior to his big season? If he goes out there next year and puts up his prior career average of 16ish points, is that a guy you need on the ice at all times? Even if you take the season before where he had a .30 PPG average, is a 25 point guy a must play? Like I said, I don't see it. If he puts up another 15 goal season, okay he's showing consistency which would be something he's never done before

But like I said before, the intolerance by folks like yourself to allow other people to question his play is laughable. We're talking about a guy with one season of over 30 points. He's not Gretzky here

It’s just that if you put the “anomaly” tag on any young player who makes a jump then every young player has hit his ceiling. Jack Hughes had 99 points last year - his previous high was 56. I’m guessing you don’t think 99 is an anomaly -
and of course Frederic is nowhere near Hughes - but it’s the same logic. Do you need to see Hughes prove it to you again?

Or a lesser example…Carter Verhaeghe went from a career high of 55 to 73 points with 42 goals last year. Is that an anomaly? Or is it a young player getting better?

Frederic is obviously a different class of player, but the magnitude is also way less. You’re using this kind of logic as a way to justify that you don’t like the player and never have. But who else gets the same treatment from you?