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Hey he was carried to those 0 pts right? Or have you moved on from that one as well. . .
Hall was Boston's best forward in the series.
Player Discussion Trent Frederic
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KrejciMVP
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you're clinging to a narrative that is based on little to no substance, bottom line he did nothing
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I forgot the third option of what you can do with the #'s other than liking them or disliking them - you can also just ignore them.
Thanks for the reminder.
Players don't all mature and find their game the same age. TF will be 26 next Feb . He's coming off a big year and has gained a lot of confidence.
The NHL isn't a cake walk for a young athlete. I'm glad management gave him a decent contract and didn't give up on him. We'll see how it all plays out this year. It would be great for him and the team if he keeps improving.
The NHL isn't a cake walk for a young athlete. I'm glad management gave him a decent contract and didn't give up on him. We'll see how it all plays out this year. It would be great for him and the team if he keeps improving.
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I like the player and have been in his corner from the start, but if the Bruins do trade for a C this year I think Freddy goes the other way.
He’s young and cheap enough to have value. Coyle going back to the 3rd line would make him (or Geekie) expendable and they’re not going to trade a UFA they just signed. Lastly, the B’s will need some money out to bring someone in and the only expendable guys making more than $1m are Forbort and (if Coyle goes back to line 3) Frederic.
He’s young and cheap enough to have value. Coyle going back to the 3rd line would make him (or Geekie) expendable and they’re not going to trade a UFA they just signed. Lastly, the B’s will need some money out to bring someone in and the only expendable guys making more than $1m are Forbort and (if Coyle goes back to line 3) Frederic.
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LOL.
I thought it was pretty right on. If he can slide into that 3C spot or step up w/Coyle into the top 6 at wing, then a whole lot of other players would fall into better fitting spots on the roster. The effect could ripple through the rest of the club.
As it is we're leaning on JVR as a top 6 guy, and hoping guys like Geekie and Boqvist can at least double up their contributions, even though both of their former clubs let em walk as RFA's.
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I thought it was pretty right on. If he can slide into that 3C spot or step up w/Coyle into the top 6 at wing, then a whole lot of other players would fall into better fitting spots on the roster. The effect could ripple through the rest of the club.
As it is we're leaning on JVR as a top 6 guy, and hoping guys like Geekie and Boqvist can at least double up their contributions, even though both of their former clubs let em walk as RFA's.
I think there's a lot of crossing of the fingers that certain players play as they should or improve in their contributions. Bruins can't afford for anyone to have an off year.
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That's the move that really bothered me this summer. That trade might be my least liked move in a decade. Made no sense.
I hope not. I see a lot of people smarter then me listing him as 4th line center in there projections. I'm pro Freddy but open minded. When I see those lineups I try to imagine that he'll get 3rd line minutes even from that spot.
But ultimately I prefer him in the top 9. When. Looking for new offensive output I think Freddy has some of the highest opportunity for growth. I prefer to see him in the top 9 and I'd love to see him play his best hockey and rip away a spot in the top 6. Merkulov, Frederic, Geekie then Boquist is my preferred list to push JVR and other new vets down the organizational depth chart. .
Tomorrow’s Globe Hockey Notes:
Drafted as a center in 2016 (No. 29 overall) prior to entering the University of Wisconsin, the 6-foot-3-inch, 220-pound Frederic seems slated long term as a winger (currently to the left of Poitras).
“I’ve probably played maybe 30-40 games at center over my [NHL] career,” estimated Frederic, who on Saturday was slated to play his 200th regular-season game. “But I still can do it, and I’m sure there’ll be a time this year, like last year, like when [Tomas] Nosek was hurt, or even in the playoffs … I could move there to help out. I like the fact that I think I can play all three positions.”
The Bruins also acquired UFA Morgan Geekie, now settling in on Poitras’s right side, to fill a center’s role on the bottom six. Like Frederic, Geekie has size and heft (6-3/202) but a résumé that projects mainly as a bottom-six contributor. Frederic, who posted a career-high 31 points last season, has the draft pedigree and NCAA record of nearly a point-per game as a center, that projects him higher into the lineup. Potentially.
“Faceoffs last year were a struggle for me,” said Frederic. “I took a bunch in preseason. I’ve worked on it, tried to be better at shaping a strategy. When you’re losing them, you start to try all these different things, different ways to take ‘em … you know, coming under, coming over, all that. But when you get in a groove, you find out what you’re good at.”
Frederic won only 24 of 72 drops (33.3 percent) last season, too small of a sample size to say much other than, yes, he needs to improve. It’s an area where commitment and work ethic generally pay off. Joe Thornton, under 50 percent on drops his first three seasons, did not become a consistent, regular winner at the dot until his seventh season with the Bruins, the same season he logged his 500th game.
If Frederic moves higher into the forward corps as a winger now, he’d have to shimmy by Brad Marchandand James van Riemsdyk on the left or David Pastrnak and Jake DeBrusk on the right. Not going to happen. His more viable path to advancement could be at center, though that would necessitate first getting pivot work in the bottom six.
“I’m fine being a winger,” said Frederic, asked if during the summer he felt he’d be more in the mix at center this season. “I’m not married to being a winger or a center. Just the ability to do them all is something I take pride in, and so far I’ve been more successful at wing, statistically. I’m good with that.”
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Frederic gives Bruins options up front
Amid the Bruins’ makeover down the middle following the retirements of Patrice Bergeron and David Krejci, which at the moment has Pavel Zacha, Charlie Coyle, Matthew Poitras, and Johnny Beecherfilling the center spots, it looks like seventh-year pro Trent Frederic has become a forgotten commodity as a potential pivot.Drafted as a center in 2016 (No. 29 overall) prior to entering the University of Wisconsin, the 6-foot-3-inch, 220-pound Frederic seems slated long term as a winger (currently to the left of Poitras).
“I’ve probably played maybe 30-40 games at center over my [NHL] career,” estimated Frederic, who on Saturday was slated to play his 200th regular-season game. “But I still can do it, and I’m sure there’ll be a time this year, like last year, like when [Tomas] Nosek was hurt, or even in the playoffs … I could move there to help out. I like the fact that I think I can play all three positions.”
The Bruins also acquired UFA Morgan Geekie, now settling in on Poitras’s right side, to fill a center’s role on the bottom six. Like Frederic, Geekie has size and heft (6-3/202) but a résumé that projects mainly as a bottom-six contributor. Frederic, who posted a career-high 31 points last season, has the draft pedigree and NCAA record of nearly a point-per game as a center, that projects him higher into the lineup. Potentially.
“Faceoffs last year were a struggle for me,” said Frederic. “I took a bunch in preseason. I’ve worked on it, tried to be better at shaping a strategy. When you’re losing them, you start to try all these different things, different ways to take ‘em … you know, coming under, coming over, all that. But when you get in a groove, you find out what you’re good at.”
Frederic won only 24 of 72 drops (33.3 percent) last season, too small of a sample size to say much other than, yes, he needs to improve. It’s an area where commitment and work ethic generally pay off. Joe Thornton, under 50 percent on drops his first three seasons, did not become a consistent, regular winner at the dot until his seventh season with the Bruins, the same season he logged his 500th game.
If Frederic moves higher into the forward corps as a winger now, he’d have to shimmy by Brad Marchandand James van Riemsdyk on the left or David Pastrnak and Jake DeBrusk on the right. Not going to happen. His more viable path to advancement could be at center, though that would necessitate first getting pivot work in the bottom six.
“I’m fine being a winger,” said Frederic, asked if during the summer he felt he’d be more in the mix at center this season. “I’m not married to being a winger or a center. Just the ability to do them all is something I take pride in, and so far I’ve been more successful at wing, statistically. I’m good with that.”
If Frederic moves higher into the forward corps as a winger now, he’d have to shimmy by Brad Marchandand James van Riemsdyk on the left or David Pastrnak and Jake DeBrusk on the right. Not going to happen. His more viable path to advancement could be at center, though that would necessitate first getting pivot work in the bottom six.
I really lament this type of lack of genuine knowledge by hockey journalists. Frederic's best option to move into the top 6 is easily to supplant JVR. In fact, a great case could be made for doing that now, although I wouldn't disrupt the positive chemistry on the bottom two lines at the moment.
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A confident and ‘assertive’ Trent Frederic is settling into a key role for Bruins - The Boston Globe
Fresh off a breakout season in 2022-23, Frederic is on the cusp of unlocking another gear as a play-driver in the bottom six.
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Plenty has changed for Trent Frederic over the past year.
Last season, the pugnacious Bruins forward spent most of his shifts on a line next to Charlie Coyle and Taylor Hall — two forwards with more than 1,600 combined games of NHL experience.
But at the start of the 2023-24 campaign, the 25-year-old Frederic found himself in unfamiliar territory. For the first time in years, he was the elder statesman on his line next to Morgan Geekie, who is five months younger, and 19-year-old Matt Poitras.
“In college, I was never [the oldest]. Providence? I don’t think I ever was,” Frederic said. “It’s really weird. Because last year, Hallsy and Chuck had, like, 800 games each in the league. I used to watch them growing up.”
With a roster anchored by seven veterans who have played at least 500 NHL games, coach Jim Montgomery isn’t looking for Frederic to make a sudden shift into a vocal leader. At least not yet.
“I’ve just noticed him as far as where he was last year to this year; he’s a way more assertive hockey player,” Montgomery said. “And I think he’s just a lot more confident hockey player and it’s showing how he’s taking the puck and skating with it more this year and looking to create offense more on his own.”
Frederic’s development from a fourth-line scrapper into a two-way contributor on the third line played a vital role in the Bruins’ depth scoring during last year’s record-setting run.
Not only did the former first-round pick set career highs in goals (17) and points (31) while doling out 105 hits, he was arguably one of the most impactful bottom-six forwards at five-on-five play across the NHL.
During five-on-five, he averaged 1.09 goals per 60 minutes of play, per Natural Stat Trick. Only David Pastrnak (1.72), Jake DeBrusk (1.51), and Jakub Lauko (1.23) performed better on the Bruins — with that 1.09 rate ranking 70th among the 738 NHL skaters with at least 150 minutes of five-on-five time.
On the opposite side of the ice, Frederic thrived as a defensive stopper. Despite having just 42.7 percent of his on-ice starts set in the offensive zone during five-on-five play, the Bruins still held an absurd 47-23 edge in goals when Frederic was out on a shift last season.
“There’s stuff I took away from both Charlie and Taylor last year,” Frederic said. “They’re both good guys. And I was always asking questions like, ‘How do you do this?’ or ‘What’s your thought process when you’ve got that?’
“Some people maybe don’t want me to ask those questions all the time, but they were always guys that were trying to help and teach me.
“I think when you do that over and over, you start to learn from the guys that are successful. Whatever that may be, if that’s Hallsy pulling up, if that’s Charlie with puck protecting, all that stuff.”
Along with Frederic’s stout D-zone work, Montgomery believes he is beginning to showcase even more offensive capabilities.
Along with Frederic’s effective (and often underutilized) wrist shot, Montgomery believes that his ability to shield the puck down low and willingness to pass into Grade A ice can help him generate scoring chances — as the first man in on the forecheck or as the F3 forward operating higher up in the slot.
“They’re both really good five-on-five below-the-top players,” Montgomery said of a reworked third line of Frederic, Coyle, and James van van Riemsdyk Monday. “They’re both good defensively as well. So if I want to, I can match them up against another team’s best offensive line. But most importantly, the O-zone time that they play well together.
“And I think a guy like van Riemsdyk really helps them connect the dots there because he likes going to the net front. Charlie likes to possess it. And Freddie does a good job of getting open as the F3 and shooting it.”
A reunion with Coyle, starting with Thursday’s road game against the Sharks, should bolster Frederic’s game.
Such a lineup reshuffle gives Montgomery the option of deploying a puck-possession third line capable of negating other top-six matchups. But it also allows Frederic to build off the already impressive results he forged last season next to Coyle.
And if last year represented just a hint of Frederic’s full potential, the Bruins could have a potential trump card on their bottom-six unit.
“I think we jell really well,” Frederic said of Coyle. “I don’t know if he’s just an easy guy to play with. He talks well. He’s easy to read off, just the way he plays is more straight-line. He’s a really good player but he’s never going to do anything like a spin-around.
“Like he might, but for me, he’s easy to read. When he has the puck, I know where to go. So it’s why I really like playing with him and, like I said, he’s just a good guy, very positive, always teaching me little stuff about puck protecting or whatever he sees out there.”
So far he definitely looks like he's poised to take the next step...small sample size though but I hope he keeps this early season momentum going.A confident and ‘assertive’ Trent Frederic is settling into a key role for Bruins - The Boston Globe
Fresh off a breakout season in 2022-23, Frederic is on the cusp of unlocking another gear as a play-driver in the bottom six.
Plenty has changed for Trent Frederic over the past year.
Last season, the pugnacious Bruins forward spent most of his shifts on a line next to Charlie Coyle and Taylor Hall — two forwards with more than 1,600 combined games of NHL experience.
But at the start of the 2023-24 campaign, the 25-year-old Frederic found himself in unfamiliar territory. For the first time in years, he was the elder statesman on his line next to Morgan Geekie, who is five months younger, and 19-year-old Matt Poitras.
“In college, I was never [the oldest]. Providence? I don’t think I ever was,” Frederic said. “It’s really weird. Because last year, Hallsy and Chuck had, like, 800 games each in the league. I used to watch them growing up.”
With a roster anchored by seven veterans who have played at least 500 NHL games, coach Jim Montgomery isn’t looking for Frederic to make a sudden shift into a vocal leader. At least not yet.
“I’ve just noticed him as far as where he was last year to this year; he’s a way more assertive hockey player,” Montgomery said. “And I think he’s just a lot more confident hockey player and it’s showing how he’s taking the puck and skating with it more this year and looking to create offense more on his own.”
Frederic’s development from a fourth-line scrapper into a two-way contributor on the third line played a vital role in the Bruins’ depth scoring during last year’s record-setting run.
Not only did the former first-round pick set career highs in goals (17) and points (31) while doling out 105 hits, he was arguably one of the most impactful bottom-six forwards at five-on-five play across the NHL.
During five-on-five, he averaged 1.09 goals per 60 minutes of play, per Natural Stat Trick. Only David Pastrnak (1.72), Jake DeBrusk (1.51), and Jakub Lauko (1.23) performed better on the Bruins — with that 1.09 rate ranking 70th among the 738 NHL skaters with at least 150 minutes of five-on-five time.
On the opposite side of the ice, Frederic thrived as a defensive stopper. Despite having just 42.7 percent of his on-ice starts set in the offensive zone during five-on-five play, the Bruins still held an absurd 47-23 edge in goals when Frederic was out on a shift last season.
“There’s stuff I took away from both Charlie and Taylor last year,” Frederic said. “They’re both good guys. And I was always asking questions like, ‘How do you do this?’ or ‘What’s your thought process when you’ve got that?’
“Some people maybe don’t want me to ask those questions all the time, but they were always guys that were trying to help and teach me.
“I think when you do that over and over, you start to learn from the guys that are successful. Whatever that may be, if that’s Hallsy pulling up, if that’s Charlie with puck protecting, all that stuff.”
Along with Frederic’s stout D-zone work, Montgomery believes he is beginning to showcase even more offensive capabilities.
Along with Frederic’s effective (and often underutilized) wrist shot, Montgomery believes that his ability to shield the puck down low and willingness to pass into Grade A ice can help him generate scoring chances — as the first man in on the forecheck or as the F3 forward operating higher up in the slot.
“They’re both really good five-on-five below-the-top players,” Montgomery said of a reworked third line of Frederic, Coyle, and James van van Riemsdyk Monday. “They’re both good defensively as well. So if I want to, I can match them up against another team’s best offensive line. But most importantly, the O-zone time that they play well together.
“And I think a guy like van Riemsdyk really helps them connect the dots there because he likes going to the net front. Charlie likes to possess it. And Freddie does a good job of getting open as the F3 and shooting it.”
A reunion with Coyle, starting with Thursday’s road game against the Sharks, should bolster Frederic’s game.
Such a lineup reshuffle gives Montgomery the option of deploying a puck-possession third line capable of negating other top-six matchups. But it also allows Frederic to build off the already impressive results he forged last season next to Coyle.
And if last year represented just a hint of Frederic’s full potential, the Bruins could have a potential trump card on their bottom-six unit.
“I think we jell really well,” Frederic said of Coyle. “I don’t know if he’s just an easy guy to play with. He talks well. He’s easy to read off, just the way he plays is more straight-line. He’s a really good player but he’s never going to do anything like a spin-around.
“Like he might, but for me, he’s easy to read. When he has the puck, I know where to go. So it’s why I really like playing with him and, like I said, he’s just a good guy, very positive, always teaching me little stuff about puck protecting or whatever he sees out there.”
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He's been excellent. I still think his playmaking is his most underrated and least discussed quality. The kid makes nice passes. And assertive is a good word to describe him, he's dictating, he's aggressive, he's confident... he's starting to look like a top6 forward on the 3rd line.
I think he and JVR should be stapled to each other as the "duo" of the third line. JVR's uncanny knack of cashing in on puck scrums around the net meshes well with Freddy's ability to find a way to move the puck towards the net.
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The tools have been there. It's the consistency and hunger that I've questioned in his past sesons. He has been playing smart, hungry, and effectively in every game so far this season. He is standing out quite a bit. Really happy with how he is looking. Hope he continues to grow his game and gain confidence. He will be a big asset if he can put everything together.
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Have been lukewarm on Frederic for the most part over the journey and his failure to make any impact against the Panthers in the playoffs only reinforced that. But I must say he's had an excellent start to the season. He seems to have matured more and his attention to details and ability to make useful little plays have improved. Having guys on the team even younger than he is seems to have done him good and helped him recognize that he's now further up the ladder towards being a core player on this roster.
I don't see a 'top 6' potential though. The skills just aren't there. Trent's basically Coyle just with a slightly different way of going about things. They can play tough, physical, direct, have enough talent and playmaking ability to elevate above the 4th line grind but not to consistently mix it in the rarefied air of the top 6. Nothing wrong with that, except when as in Coyle's case you try to force a square peg in a round hole. 3rd line is perfect for Freddy and it's essentially what he was drafted for. As long as keeps playing and ideally building upon the way he's started the year he'll be just fine.
