Management Travis Green [Head Coach]

[Micklebot]

Sorry, meant GF/60 vs GA/60.

My point was by obscuring that vs xGF/60 for example, you're hiding the fact that the team is massively under delivering on both.

It was a comparison between us and the flyers, adding the gf/60 and ga/60 doesn't really change anything,

Sens
2.3gf/60 2.59ga/60 @5v5

vs

Flyers
2.32gf/60 2.86ga/60

We still outperform them despite them being behind them in the standings. Nothing was obscured.

 

[Micklebot]

PK is really really worrisome to me. That passive diamond setup they are using this year I don't see a single benefit to it. Somehow last night they even got confused setting it up properly and gave Palmieri a clear lane and about 4-5 seconds of time to walk right in. Got to be a bit more aggressive and have active sticks. Not saying get running out of position chasing pucks but certainly force the opposition into having to make accurate crisp plays. I noticed Dallas' PK last night against Calgary and it is night and day better than how ours looks currently. They also appeared to be using that diamond setup so maybe it is 'in' right now.

Mike Yeo was credited with turning around the canucks PK last year, maybe we should get him more involved in the PK because Baum doesn't seem to be getting it done. Part of the problem has been our goaltending early in the year, but last night against one of the worst PP teams in the league we looked lost, we can't be still trying to figure out the basics this far into the season.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Mike Yeo was credited with turning around the canucks PK last year, maybe we should get him more involved in the PK because Baum doesn't seem to be getting it done. Part of the problem has been our goaltending early in the year, but last night against one of the worst PP teams in the league we looked lost, we can't be still trying to figure out the basics this far into the season.

Outside of our scorching hot start on the PP, we've also been very pedestrian there too for the majority of the season.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Are people still defending this hiring? Most of us knew from the get-go that this was another bottom-of-the-barrel Melnyk style hire that would lead to another lost season.

What else can he do. They scored on like all 3 scoring chances they had. Forsberg has 3 quality starts this year. As soon as Ullmark turned it around, they put together a 4-1-1 record, which is not really a coincidence. Get goaltending and the team is fine, but it's hard to overcome what we saw last night.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Mike Yeo was credited with turning around the canucks PK last year, maybe we should get him more involved in the PK because Baum doesn't seem to be getting it done. Part of the problem has been our goaltending early in the year, but last night against one of the worst PP teams in the league we looked lost, we can't be still trying to figure out the basics this far into the season.

The PK is so gross.
Are we the only team in the league that just lets guys walk in to about 7ft on the LS edge of slot?!?

It’s clearly part of the plan.

Also I don’t think there is another team that’s more passive. I mean there probably is but jesus it’s frustrating. The isles have the the worst po in the league - maybe pressure them a little.

 

[Micklebot]

Outside of our scorching hot start on the PP, we've also been very pedestrian there too for the majority of the season.

I think the PP has been around 20% for the last month, which is totally acceptable imo. anything in the 18-22 range to me is ok. Anything above, great, anything below is bad.


The PK though, that's another story, last month it's been around 70-75%, that isn't going to cut it.

 

[BankStreetParade]

What else can he do. They scored on like all 3 scoring chances they had. Forsberg has 3 quality starts this year. As soon as Ullmark turned it around, they put together a 4-1-1 record, which is not really a coincidence. Get goaltending and the team is fine, but it's hard to overcome what we saw last night.

22nd in the league in 5v5 goal differential at -6.
The majority of the season with a PP hovering around 20%.
The majority of the season with a PK hovering around 70%.

That feels like 3 excellent places to start on the "what else can he do" list, no?

 

[BankStreetParade]

I think the PP has been around 20% for the last month, which is totally acceptable imo. anything in the 18-22 range to me is ok. Anything above, great, anything below is bad.


The PK though, that's another story, last month it's been around 70-75%, that isn't going to cut it.

It's at 20.3% over the last 20 games. That's a pretty significant chunk of our season with a middling PP, especially when our PK is one of the worst in the league over the same time frame and we're -1 in goal differential from PP goals for to PP goals against.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

22nd in the league in 5v5 goal differential at -6.
The majority of the season with a PP hovering around 20%.
The majority of the season with a PK hovering around 70%.

That feels like 3 excellent places to start on the "what else can he do" list, no?

Points 1 and 3 are directly tied to the god awful goaltending this team has gotten. Get average goaltending, thos numbers improve, and have a chance to win. Have your goaltender basically let in all of the scoring chances the other team got and it's probably not going to work out.

Need to work on the PP for sure and despite the above, some PK improvement is fair too, but I still say it's hard to overcome a night like last night where anything resembling difficulty ends up in the back of your net. It's demoralizing to play in front of a guy that can't stop a beach ball.

 

[Micklebot]

22nd in the league in 5v5 goal differential at -6.
The majority of the season with a PP hovering around 20%.
The majority of the season with a PK hovering around 70%.

That feels like 3 excellent places to start on the "what else can he do" list, no?

5v5 goal diff should improve with Ullmark not shitting the bed (so long as we don't play Forsberg any more than needed)
PP at 20% is average, I'd like to see it improve but if that's our PP when you cherry pick out the hot start, then that's actually a positive.

PK needs to be better. Goaltending is part of it, but the skaters have been part of the issue too. This is the spot I'd focus our attention on ASAP.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Points 1 and 3 are directly tied to the god awful goaltending this team has gotten. Get average goaltending, thos numbers improve, and have a chance to win. Have your goaltender basically let in all of the scoring chances the other team got and it's probably not going to work out.

Need to work on the PP for sure and despite the above, some PK improvement is fair too, but I still say it's hard to overcome a night like last night where anything resembling difficulty ends up in the back of your net. It's demoralizing to play in front of a guy that can't stop a beach ball.

No it's not, we're 25th in the league in 5v5 goals for. What does being one of the lowest scoring 5v5 teams in the league have to do with goaltending? Even if we were matching our xGF and xGA at 5v5, our xGD would be good for about 14th-15th in the league, a very middle of the road result. So when someone says what more could our coach be doing, I would again point to these 3 items as areas for immediate and necessary improvement.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Despite these things that can be improved…your goalie can’t lose you game where you give up 12 f***ing shots.

 

[Micklebot]

It's at 20.3% over the last 20 games. That's a pretty significant chunk of our season with a middling PP, especially when our PK is one of the worst in the league over the same time frame and we're -1 in goal differential from PP goals for to PP goals against.

I mean,
oilers are 20.6% on the season,
Leafs 20%
Dal 17.4
Wash 21.2
Nucks at 23.1


20% isnt bad, especially when you have to remove a chunk of games to bring it down to that. When you start nitpicking that the PP isn't elite as a criticism of the coach, that's getting a bit much.

 

[BigRig4]

Despite these things that can be improved…your goalie can’t lose you game where you give up 12 f***ing shots.

This is basically how I feel. There’s things that can be improved upon, for sure. But it really boils down to the fact that if we weren’t getting bottom 5 goaltending we’d be sitting in a wild card spot right now.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

No it's not, we're 25th in the league in 5v5 goals for. What does being one of the lowest scoring 5v5 teams in the league have to do with goaltending? Even if we were matching our xGF and xGA at 5v5, our xGD would be good for about 14th-15th in the league, a very middle of the road result. So when someone says what more could our coach be doing, I would again point to these 3 items as areas for immediate and necessary improvement.

You said differential, which would be directly affected by the gifts from goaltending, so you just meant 5v5 scoring for.

 

[Micklebot]

No it's not, we're 25th in the league in 5v5 goals for. What does being one of the lowest scoring 5v5 teams in the league have to do with goaltending? Even if we were matching our xGF and xGA at 5v5, our xGD would be good for about 14th-15th in the league, a very middle of the road result. So when someone says what more could our coach be doing, I would again point to these 3 items as areas for immediate and necessary improvement.

What were your expectations for this team this year? Because if an average PP (once you remove the strongest stretch from the calendar) is unacceptable, and 14-15th in the league at 5v5 wouldn't be enough, I feel like maybe you expected a lot more than is reasonable for a coach to do in 26 games when the starting point was a 26th in the league finish last year.

 

[Tuna99]

Ottawa 16th in Goals per Game. Only Toronto and Boston are below them and in a playoff spot.

Need to score more, Pinto/Greig/Amadio get going or you make a trade.

It’s a fine line but if this team had 4-5 more goals (5 on 5 goals preferred but I’ll take them anyway) over the course of the season they probably have 4-5 more points


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What were your expectations for this team this year? Because if an average PP (once you remove the strongest stretch from the calendar) is unacceptable, and 14-15th in the league at 5v5 wouldn't be enough, I feel like maybe you expected a lot more than is reasonable for a coach to do in 26 games when the starting point was a 26th in the league finish last year.

Well we are currently 25th so l guess that’s progress

 

[Tuna99]

Centers NHL scoring overall

#9 Tim Stutzle
#50 Josh Norris
#190 Shane Pinto


Timmy and Norris right where you want them, Pinto wowzers

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Some people want Green to play defense; Center the top line and stop the puck... or at least have a joy stick controller for all of the above

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Are people still defending this hiring? Most of us knew from the get-go that this was another bottom-of-the-barrel Melnyk style hire that would lead to another lost season.

What could he do differently? What about the sens overall game have you not liked?

 

[Micklebot]

Ottawa 16th in Goals per Game. Only Toronto and Boston are below them and in a playoff spot.

Need to score more, Pinto/Greig/Amadio get going or you make a trade.

It’s a fine line but if this team had 4-5 more goals (5 on 5 goals preferred but I’ll take them anyway) over the course of the season they probably have 4-5 more points


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Well we are currently 25th so l guess that’s progress

I'm not saying there aren't areas we need to improve on,

We need to get better goaltending (Ullmark has started, Forsberg though...)
We need to improve the PK ASAP.
We need secondary scoring (Pinto, Perron once healthy, maybe more from Greig)
We need the D to produce a bit more offence 5v5 (looking at Sanderson....)


Of those, the PK is the only area where Green has significant influence, he can't make the goalies make a save, or snap Pinto or Sanderson out of their funk

I'll add that Green could get Hamonic off the top pair, though that puts JBD in his place (or breaks up the pair that's working in Chabot-Jensen)

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I'm not saying there aren't areas we need to improve on,

We need to get better goaltending (Ullmark has started, Forsberg though...)
We need to improve the PK ASAP.
We need secondary scoring (Pinto, Perron once healthy, maybe more from Greig)
We need the D to produce a bit more offence 5v5 (looking at Sanderson....)


Of those, the PK is the only area where Green has significant influence, he can't make the goalies make a save, or snap Pinto or Sanderson out of their funk

I'll add that Green could get Hamonic off the top pair, though that puts JBD in his place (or breaks up the pair that's working in Chabot-Jensen)

Hamonic on any pair doesn't help. I put this on Staios. Green has some blame on the pairs but if you its hard to hide him.
Staios should have bought him out and replaced him

limit Hamonic's minutes at 5v5 and 4v5

 

[PlayOn]

Overall, I've liked the way the team has played 5 on 5 lately. Ullmark has given the team opportunity to win games lately and really you can pretty much chalk this one up to Forsberg being not good. Not sure why he couldn't have played back to back games. I don't understand or agree with the goalie deployment decisions thus far on about 2-3 occasions. Sorokin looked pretty darn sharp for playing two days in a row. Just saying

Other than that special teams need some serious work. Really hate the overpassing and lack of urgency on the PP. It looks nice when it actually works, however, sometimes just put pucks to the net and battle for rebounds. Sometimes they are overpassing a bit during 5 on 5 play as well. Its real hard to criticize much of Stutzle's game lately but so many times I'm left shaking my head when he looks to be in a good shooting position and then passes off to a teammate that isn't expecting it. When we have a failed PP and nothing much is generated there is usually a let down to follow which gives the opposition momentum.

PK is really really worrisome to me. That passive diamond setup they are using this year I don't see a single benefit to it. Somehow last night they even got confused setting it up properly and gave Palmieri a clear lane and about 4-5 seconds of time to walk right in. Got to be a bit more aggressive and have active sticks. Not saying get running out of position chasing pucks but certainly force the opposition into having to make accurate crisp plays. I noticed Dallas' PK last night against Calgary and it is night and day better than how ours looks currently. They also appeared to be using that diamond setup so maybe it is 'in' right now.

Jensen commented about the PK diamond a little bit ago it seems.

Early in the season players were still getting adjusted to the diamond formation.
“I think the system’s wise; I think guys are really starting to grasp it,” Nick Jensen told Sportsnet.ca in late November. “I know at the beginning it was very new to me and very unusual compared to the ways I've (been) used to play, which is a little bit on the more aggressive side.”

Guess it’s new for basically everyone and they probably haven’t fully figured it out yet.

 

[Tuna99]

I'm not saying there aren't areas we need to improve on,

We need to get better goaltending (Ullmark has started, Forsberg though...)
We need to improve the PK ASAP.
We need secondary scoring (Pinto, Perron once healthy, maybe more from Greig)
We need the D to produce a bit more offence 5v5 (looking at Sanderson....)


Of those, the PK is the only area where Green has significant influence, he can't make the goalies make a save, or snap Pinto or Sanderson out of their funk

I'll add that Green could get Hamonic off the top pair, though that puts JBD in his place (or breaks up the pair that's working in Chabot-Jensen)

I don’t think it’s Green, I think it’s Staois. The signings this summer up front have slowed the team down and Timmy has no one to play with IMO. These guys are producing but I’d score 10 goals standing on the post waiting for Timmy to bank pucks off me.

Need a top line scoring winger to play with Timmy which will push G down into the bottom 6 where he’ll be better and more effective. Pinto gets better linemates.

Prefer helping Timmy over the probably impossible task of getting a stout RD who can get you 40 points which would solve a ton of our problems.

Anyways, shuffle the lines all he wants, for this team to legit improve over having to win every game 3-2 and squeak into the playoffs by winning game 82 - Green needs a stout RD and a winger who can fly around with Timmy and then you have a nightmare matchup picking between the Stutzle and Norris lines and Kleven would be playing with Zub/Jensen

 

[KingAlfie11]

Are people still defending this hiring? Most of us knew from the get-go that this was another bottom-of-the-barrel Melnyk style hire that would lead to another lost season.

Green is the least of the Sens' problems; I believe he's done a commendable job. Do you truly think that the person behind the bench makes a difference? Personally, I don't. It's all about goaltending for me. Show me good goaltending, and I'll show you a good coach. I understand you have a bias against Green, and it's clouding your judgment.