Management Travis Green [Head Coach]

[Big Muddy]

What else can he do. They scored on like all 3 scoring chances they had. Forsberg has 3 quality starts this year. As soon as Ullmark turned it around, they put together a 4-1-1 record, which is not really a coincidence. Get goaltending and the team is fine, but it's hard to overcome what we saw last night.

Given that goaltending is often identified as the problem, what can we do? Can we start Ullmark for the remaining 55 games? I’m all for that if it's possible (unlikely).

We only scored 2 goals last night. Average game has 6 goals scored (heard that on a televised broadcast), so 3 per game per team (6 divided by 2). Haven’t looked it up, but we seem to lose games when we score 2 or less goals.

Not trying to dissuade anybody from blaming Forsberg, but I’d wonder if that’s the only issue, and the only thing we can do to perform better and win?

 

[Micklebot]

I don’t think it’s Green, I think it’s Staois. The signings this summer up front have slowed the team down and Timmy has no one to play with IMO. These guys are producing but I’d score 10 goals standing on the post waiting for Timmy to bank pucks off me.

Need a top line scoring winger to play with Timmy which will push G down into the bottom 6 where he’ll be better and more effective. Pinto gets better linemates.

Prefer helping Timmy over the probably impossible task of getting a stout RD who can get you 40 points which would solve a ton of our problems.

Anyways, shuffle the lines all he wants, for this team to legit improve over having to win every game 3-2 and squeak into the playoffs by winning game 82 - Green needs a stout RD and a winger who can fly around with Timmy and then you have a nightmare matchup picking between the Stutzle and Norris lines and Kleven would be playing with Zub/Jensen

Stutzle has an on ice GF% over 60% and is on pace for over 100pts, the problem this team is having isn't making sure Stu has someone to play with, he's doing just fine.

We need more scoring from outside the top 6, Perron, Amadio and Pinto were supposed to provide that, you can argue Staios didn't get the right guy in Amadio, and Perron (I think it's too early to tell with Perron given the circumstances) but we can't really blame him for Pinto's struggles imo

 

[Tuna99]

Stutzle has an on ice GF% over 60% and is on pace for over 100pts, the problem this team is have isn't making sure Stu has someone to play with, he's doing just fine.

We need more scoring from outside the top 6, Perron, Amadio and Pinto were supposed to provide that, you can argue Staios didn't get the right guy in Amadio, and Perron (I think it's too early to tell with Perron given the circumstances) but we can't really blame him for Pinto's struggles imo

I see Stuztle as a player that should be top 3-5 in NHL scoring and he’s 9th, it might sound trite but if he had guys that could of buried 3-4 more goals on his line and Pinto say had 3 or 4 goals on the season we’d be in a playoff spot.

Spezza with Heatley was magic, Spezza with Michalek also worked I guess but Michalek left so many goals on the table.

Timmy is doing fine, he could be the league MVP if he had guys helping him get points. And if Timmy went MVP level, we’d be a playoff team.

I see us struggle to score that extra goal to help us win, getting 2 goal leads, extending leads off the opening goals. It’s not really a lack of killer instinct, it’s a lack of burying goals and having players in their prime at key positions IMO. Seems they rely to much on the PP.

 

[lang006]

Jensen commented about the PK diamond a little bit ago it seems.

Guess it’s new for basically everyone and they probably haven’t fully figured it out yet.

Thanks. I hadn't heard those comments before. Hope they review video and can adjust accordingly. Some pretty glaring examples of it being a real failure during the last few games.

 

[RickyLafleur]

What could he do differently? What about the sens overall game have you not liked?

Outside of Stutzle, and occasionally Brady when he isn't having a tantrum, there is nothing to cheer, let alone be excited for. I have many qualms with this team, from management decisions to the hiring process of coaches, the on-ice play itself, and the players this team targets in free agency. Some of these things are out of Green's control but he hasn't done anything that shows me that is much different from DJ, or any of the other clowns we've had here.

- They are Incredibly soft and easy to play against
- I don't like that they are a bottom 5-10 team for 8 years in a row.
- I don't like how top heavy this team always is and how ineffective the bottom 6 always seems to be.
- I don't like the fact that this team can never play a full 60 minutes and often folds when there is pressure.
- The PK has been atrocious for years now.
- I hate how this team always plays down to the level of their opponents and almost always loses to teams below them in the standings.
-I don't like how they haven't had a 5+ game win streak since the last time they made the playoffs.
- I don't like this strategy of "dump and don't chase" which happens nearly every single game
- No offense from our 'D'
- Tired of this team not shooting in the PP, especially from defensemen.
- Tired of this team always losing to backup goalies, or teams that are playing on the second half of a B2B
- Tired of the lack of defensive structure, and the inability to clear the crease from opposing forwards
- Sick of this team always allowing the ENG whenever they pull the goalie, including pulling the goalie at a bad time.
- Hate how the team has no fight and has seemingly embraced a loser's mentality where we blame loses on bad luck, bad bounces, and with coaches saying despite all of this, we played a good game
- Goaltending that allows the first goal, and usually one of the opponent's first 5 shots always seems to go in
- Complete lack of identity
- Keep losing to teams when they outshoot them by a 3:1 or 2:1 ratio.

There are a lot of different issues with this team, but I tried to bold the ones that I think that Green can improve upon.

 

[lang006]

Outside of Stutzle, and occasionally Brady when he isn't having a tantrum, there is nothing to cheer, let alone be excited for. I have many qualms with this team, from management decisions to the hiring process of coaches, the on-ice play itself, and the players this team targets in free agency. Some of these things are out of Green's control but he hasn't done anything that shows me that is much different from DJ, or any of the other clowns we've had here.

- They are Incredibly soft and easy to play against
- I don't like that they are a bottom 5-10 team for 8 years in a row.
- I don't like how top heavy this team always is and how ineffective the bottom 6 always seems to be.
- I don't like the fact that this team can never play a full 60 minutes and often folds when there is pressure.
- The PK has been atrocious for years now.
- I hate how this team always plays down to the level of their opponents and almost always loses to teams below them in the standings.
-I don't like how they haven't had a 5+ game win streak since the last time they made the playoffs.
- I don't like this strategy of "dump and don't chase" which happens nearly every single game
- No offense from our 'D'
- Tired of this team not shooting in the PP, especially from defensemen.
- Tired of this team always losing to backup goalies, or teams that are playing on the second half of a B2B
- Tired of the lack of defensive structure, and the inability to clear the crease from opposing forwards
- Sick of this team always allowing the ENG whenever they pull the goalie
- Hate how the team has no fight and has seemingly embraced a loser's mentality where we blame loses on bad luck, bad bounces, and with coaches saying despite all of this, we played a good game
- Goaltending that allows the first goal, and usually one of the opponent's first 5 shots always seems to go in
- Complete lack of identity
- Keep losing to teams when they outshoot them by a 3:1 or 2:1 ratio.

There are a lot of different issues with this team, but I tried to bold the ones that I think that Green can improve upon.

And here I thought I had a bad case of the Mondays..........Really needing Swiftwin to tell me to trust the process after reading all that

 

[RickyLafleur]

And here I thought I had a bad case of the Mondays..........Really needing Swiftwin to tell me to trust the process after reading all that

Mondays aren't usually the greatest but the truth is this team has been mediocre for nearly a decade, and I'm just tired of spending money and time on them and hearing the same excuses over and over again. It's like groundhog day where everything is the same even though some things do change.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Outside of Stutzle, and occasionally Brady when he isn't having a tantrum, there is nothing to cheer, let alone be excited for. I have many qualms with this team, from management decisions to the hiring process of coaches, the on-ice play itself, and the players this team targets in free agency. Some of these things are out of Green's control but he hasn't done anything that shows me that is much different from DJ, or any of the other clowns we've had here.

- They are Incredibly soft and easy to play against
- I don't like that they are a bottom 5-10 team for 8 years in a row.
- I don't like how top heavy this team always is and how ineffective the bottom 6 always seems to be.
- I don't like the fact that this team can never play a full 60 minutes and often folds when there is pressure.
- The PK has been atrocious for years now.
- I hate how this team always plays down to the level of their opponents and almost always loses to teams below them in the standings.
-I don't like how they haven't had a 5+ game win streak since the last time they made the playoffs.
- I don't like this strategy of "dump and don't chase" which happens nearly every single game
- No offense from our 'D'
- Tired of this team not shooting in the PP, especially from defensemen.
- Tired of this team always losing to backup goalies, or teams that are playing on the second half of a B2B
- Tired of the lack of defensive structure, and the inability to clear the crease from opposing forwards
- Sick of this team always allowing the ENG whenever they pull the goalie, including pulling the goalie at a bad time.
- Hate how the team has no fight and has seemingly embraced a loser's mentality where we blame loses on bad luck, bad bounces, and with coaches saying despite all of this, we played a good game
- Goaltending that allows the first goal, and usually one of the opponent's first 5 shots always seems to go in
- Complete lack of identity
- Keep losing to teams when they outshoot them by a 3:1 or 2:1 ratio.

There are a lot of different issues with this team, but I tried to bold the ones that I think that Green can improve upon.

What do you classify as full 60? I don’t know how many teams plays a full 60 as everyone you’ve gotten scored on likely there is a mistake that happened somewhere. We are definitely not an elite elite team so expecting consistent full 60s….
The islanders didn’t even play 3 minutes of good hockey last night

PK looks bad agreed.

Dump and chase seems to actually be working under green.


This year we have played good games and lost our goalies have looked terrible while we keep high danger shots low.

Identity…. I think is just buzzword that leads to a buzzword. Every good teams identity is always essentially the same and tied directly to Wins vs losses. Team wins? “Identity is they play fast with strong structure”. They lose “ what’s the identity???” I don’t romanticize stuff like that. If we played identical to how we have played and our goalies were amazing. I guarentee you the word would be “Sens finally have an identity!”

Defensive structure I’m sorry. This team is one of the better defensive teams in the NHL.

this team is so different from DJs sens it’s not quite close.

But some cases are just agree to disagree. This may be one. I just don’t quite understand where some expectations come from. We’ve all watched hockey for a long time.

 

[RickyLafleur]

What do you classify as full 60? I don’t know how many teams plays a full 60 as everyone you’ve gotten scored on likely there is a mistake that happened somewhere. We are definitely not an elite elite team so expecting consistent full 60s….
The islanders didn’t even play 3 minutes of good hockey last night

PK looks bad agreed.

Dump and chase seems to actually be working under green.


This year we have played good games and lost our goalies have looked terrible while we keep high danger shots low.

Identity…. I think is just buzzword that leads to a buzzword. Every good teams identity is always essentially the same and tied directly to Wins vs losses. Team wins? “Identity is they play fast with strong structure”. They lose “ what’s the identity???” I don’t romanticize stuff like that. If we played identical to how we have played and our goalies were amazing. I guarentee you the word would be “Sens finally have an identity!”

Defensive structure I’m sorry. This team is one of the better defensive teams in the NHL.

this team is so different from DJs sens it’s not quite close.

Actually, trying and showing a full effort for a full 60 minutes? This team can only play a good 20-40 min max and in the other period, they get obliterated.

Sure thing, it's a different team, but they have the same loser mentality and record. That's why they're still 25th in the NHL despite all of the positives that you mentioned in year 8 of a rebuild.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Actually, trying and showing a full effort for a full 60 minutes? This team can only play a good 20-40 min max and in the other period, they get obliterated.

Sure thing, it's a different team, but they have the same loser mentality and record. That's why they're still 25th in the NHL despite all of the positives that you mentioned in year 8 of a rebuild.

If Ullmark was at .950 for the first 20 games of the season would have mean we had winning mentality?

 

[RickyLafleur]

If Ullmark was at .950 for the first 20 games of the season would have mean we had winning mentality?

No, it means we would've had a miracle. No team is going to get .950 goaltending for a 20-game stretch, let alone this team. This team's problems go far beyond goaltending. If you've seen one post-game with Tkachuk + [Insert Head Coach Here], you've seen them all. It's the same shit game after game, the same excuses where players don't take accountability for their performances, instead, they blame the fans, injuries, or bad bounces. This team is full of players with fragile egos, and collectively they have a losers mentality and crumble at the slightest bit of adversity.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Given that goaltending is often identified as the problem, what can we do? Can we start Ullmark for the remaining 55 games? I’m all for that if it's possible (unlikely).

We only scored 2 goals last night. Average game has 6 goals scored (heard that on a televised broadcast), so 3 per game per team (6 divided by 2). Haven’t looked it up, but we seem to lose games when we score 2 or less goals.

Not trying to dissuade anybody from blaming Forsberg, but I’d wonder if that’s the only issue, and the only thing we can do to perform better and win?

I do think it's to the point they should be looking to get Ullmark in as much as possible. 60/22 split type thing. Forsberg doesn't give the team a chance to win most starts this year and last. I'd even be looking at other backup options at this point if I were SS.

Agreed there is still more you can do as a team to overcome it, but I don't know, they had like 3 scoring chances all night and basically buried all of them. Hard to play above that, but I also get why some won't just excuse it based on goaltending. What happens if they didn't limit chances so much last night and Forsberg still lets them in at that rate? It ends like 8-2 and they aren't even in it.

Ullmark provided one of the only good stretches of goaltending this team has seen in 2 years, and they went 4-1-1, so I don't think it's any sort of magic sauce here. As Mick has pointed out in the Forsberg thread, his starts have been so low quality other than 3, that they're basically guaranteed losses.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

No, it means we would've had a miracle. No team is going to get .950 goaltending for a 20-game stretch, let alone this team. This team's problems go far beyond goaltending. If you've seen one post-game with Tkachuk + [Insert Head Coach Here], you've seen them all. It's the same shit game after game, the same excuses where players don't take accountability for their performances, instead, they blame the fans, injuries, or bad bounces. This team is full of players with fragile egos, and collectively they have a losers mentality and crumble at the slightest bit of adversity.

Okay 9.10. My point doesn’t change. This year the team has played well. Well enough to win. The goalie started the year terribly. NOT because we stopped playing and gave up too many scoring chances. But because the goalies were playing bad.

They went after the fans one time. Early last year. And it was a mistake.
How do they crumble? Last night we went down 2-1 and proceeded to take the game to the islanders for the rest of the game.
This year there has been very few examples of crumbling.
Down 2-1 and we gave the other team 7 more shots on our goalie. Thats it.
If a goalie makes saves. The perception of crumbling actually goes away.

I thought there was some crumbling going on against Nashville…. But hey! Ullmark was great. So it looks like a nice tidy little win

Do you know how much complaining I heard about defense and heart and yada yada yada after the Nashville game?? Zero. Why?

 

[Big Muddy]

I do think it's to the point they should be looking to get Ullmark in as much as possible. 60/22 split type thing. Forsberg doesn't give the team a chance to win most starts this year and last. I'd even be looking at other backup options at this point if I were SS.

Agreed there is still more you can do as a team to overcome it, but I don't know, they had like 3 scoring chances all night and basically buried all of them. Hard to play above that, but I also get why some won't just excuse it based on goaltending. What happens if they didn't limit chances so much last night and Forsberg still lets them in at that rate? It ends like 8-2 and they aren't even in it.

Ullmark provided one of the only good stretches of goaltending this team has seen in 2 years, and they went 4-1-1, so I don't think it's any sort of magic sauce here. As Mick has pointed out in the Forsberg thread, his starts have been so low quality other than 3, that they're basically guaranteed losses.

If Forsberg plays 11 more games to reach his 22 games that you mentioned and losses all of them, then Ullmark would be the starter in 44 more games. In order to reach 92 points, Ullmark would need to win 28 of his 44 games, or 64% of those games.

I don’t think many goalies played 60 games either, but just thought I’d do the math to see what it's like. I guess its possible.

If we want a better backup, then we’d need to find one and get rid of Forsberg. In season trades are historically tough to pull off.

If Staois can pull this off, as well as Ullmark & the team being able to win 64% of the remaining games that Ullmark starts, then I’m all for it.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

If Forsberg plays 11 more games to reach his 22 games that you mentioned and losses all of them, then Ullmark would be the starter in 44 more games. In order to reach 92 points, Ullmark would need to win 28 of his 44 games, or 64% of those games.

I don’t think many goalies played 60 games either, but just thought I’d do the math to see what it's like. I guess its possible.

If we want a better backup, then we’d need to find one and get rid of Forsberg. In season trades are historically tough to pull off.

If Staois can pull this off, as well as Ullmark & the team being able to win 64% of the remaining games that Ullmark starts, then I’m all for it.

It's not ideal, but if Forsberg can only provide 3 good starts and 7 awful starts out of every 10, I don't know what options you have. Ullmark said he wanted the big load, well, here it is.

Of course I don't have any actual answers, but it seems like this team has gotten mostly below replacement level this year and last from him, so maybe just a different guy without the baggage is worth trying, even if unspectacular. At some point they won't be able to just keep rolling him out there, they'll have to at least try a Belleville goalie.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

 

[Wondercarrot]

No, it means we would've had a miracle. No team is going to get .950 goaltending for a 20-game stretch, let alone this team. This team's problems go far beyond goaltending. If you've seen one post-game with Tkachuk + [Insert Head Coach Here], you've seen them all. It's the same shit game after game, the same excuses where players don't take accountability for their performances, instead, they blame the fans, injuries, or bad bounces. This team is full of players with fragile egos, and collectively they have a losers mentality and crumble at the slightest bit of adversity.

You know what…it really doesn’t go beyond goaltending.
Ullmark looks like he’s found his game but we have literally lost at least 5pts 100% entirely due to goaltending.

Add 5 pts to this team and you wouldn’t have bothered even considering making your list of things that you can’t take anymore

We’d solidly in the 1st wildcard spot 2 pts behind Boston for a division spot with 2 games in hand.
And that’s just from games they are completely responsible for, not the others where “gee it would have been nice to get another save” games.

 

[PlayOn]

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Going into the season we all basically agreed this was a bubble team.

But after every loss it seems like people are distraught that we are in fact a bubble team.

 

[BankStreetParade]

5v5 goal diff should improve with Ullmark not shitting the bed (so long as we don't play Forsberg any more than needed)
PP at 20% is average, I'd like to see it improve but if that's our PP when you cherry pick out the hot start, then that's actually a positive.

PK needs to be better. Goaltending is part of it, but the skaters have been part of the issue too. This is the spot I'd focus our attention on ASAP.

It's not cherry-picking out anything, it's removing the clear and obvious outlier to talk about what this team is actually doing on the PP. We've been a 20% PP team for 3 times as long as we were a 40%+ PP team.

I mean,
oilers are 20.6% on the season,
Leafs 20%
Dal 17.4
Wash 21.2
Nucks at 23.1


20% isnt bad, especially when you have to remove a chunk of games to bring it down to that. When you start nitpicking that the PP isn't elite as a criticism of the coach, that's getting a bit much.

Yes, this PP% wouldn't be too bad under different circumstances. Washington is 2nd in the league in 5v5 GD, Dallas is 4th, Toronto 6th, Canucks 15th, Oilers 18th...Ottawa 22nd. Washington, Dallas and Toronto are all top 10 teams in the league so far. Vancouver and Edmonton are 12th and 13th.

You said differential, which would be directly affected by the gifts from goaltending, so you just meant 5v5 scoring for.

Well, would our differential be better if we weren't 25th in 5v5 GF? Like, what's the point you're making here? Cause it seems to be an entirely pedantic one with no real response to the actual issue.

What were your expectations for this team this year? Because if an average PP (once you remove the strongest stretch from the calendar) is unacceptable, and 14-15th in the league at 5v5 wouldn't be enough, I feel like maybe you expected a lot more than is reasonable for a coach to do in 26 games when the starting point was a 26th in the league finish last year.

Ok but our special teams are a net negative over the last 20 games (fewer PP goals than goals allowed on the PK) so the below average 5v5 numbers stand out. We could probably survive one of those 3 components not being above average. My expectation is, in response to someone saying what more can the coach do, to see the coach improve each of those areas. I never said they needed to be elite in any of those 3 areas but when we're not getting it done on the PP, the PK or at 5v5, it seems ludicrous to be openly wondering how the coach can get better results. Maybe the coaching staff could start by getting better results in 2 out of the 3 areas. Or is it preposterous to ask the coach to do better?

 

[Micklebot]

It's not cherry-picking out anything, it's removing the clear and obvious outlier to talk about what this team is actually doing on the PP. We've been a 20% PP team for 3 times as long as we were a 40%+ PP team.

It absolutely is cherry picking, pp goals aren't something that are uniformly distributed, and you've removed a quarter of the season to sway the numbers to fit your narrative

Yes, this PP% wouldn't be too bad under different circumstances. Washington is 2nd in the league in 5v5 GD, Dallas is 4th, Toronto 6th, Canucks 15th, Oilers 18th...Ottawa 22nd. Washington, Dallas and Toronto are all top 10 teams in the league so far. Vancouver and Edmonton are 12th and 13th.

, the circumstances don't dictate whether the PP is good or bad, what an insane position to hold, a good pp doesn't become great because the PK is hot, so why would the inverse be try, just more spin from you

...
Ok but our special teams are a net negative over the last 20 games (fewer PP goals than goals allowed on the PK) so the below average 5v5 numbers stand out. We could probably survive one of those 3 components not being above average. My expectation is, in response to someone saying what more can the coach do, to see the coach improve each of those areas. I never said they needed to be elite in any of those 3 areas but when we're not getting it done on the PP, the PK or at 5v5, it seems ludicrous to be openly wondering how the coach can get better results. Maybe the coaching staff could start by getting better results in 2 out of the 3 areas. Or is it preposterous to ask the coach to do better?

Your moving the goal posts, you claimed even if the gf and ga matched the xgf and xGA it's not enough for you, the reality is Green can't finish the chances the team is creating and he can't save the shots against our goalies have let in, he puts systems in place, and systemically the team has shown pretty well. The one exception is the PK, lots of room for criticism there,

 

[BankStreetParade]

It absolutely is cherry picking, pp goals aren't something that are uniformly distributed, and you've removed a quarter of the season to sway the numbers to fit your narrative

Right. It's cherry-picking when it's a clear outlier to how the team has performed over a much longer track record. So, Forsberg's 3 games where he was above .900 sv%, including 2 SOs is just as indicative of his play as the other 8 games where he hasn't had a sv% above .889? Because we wouldn't want to cherry pick the quarter of his GS to come to some sort of conclusion about the real quality of his play, right?

the circumstances don't dictate whether the PP is good or bad, what an insane position to hold, a good pp doesn't become great because the PK is hot, so why would the inverse be try, just more spin from you

Are you being intentionally stupid or is this just your default way of arguing now? Our special teams are a net negative over the last 20 games and we have a PP that's just average. What exactly is the spin????

Your moving the goal posts, you claimed even if the gf and ga matched the xgf and xGA it's not enough for you, the reality is Green can't finish the chances the team is creating and he can't save the shots against our goalies have let in, he puts systems in place, and systemically the team has shown pretty well. The one exception is the PK, lots of room for criticism there,

What a waste of time it is to discuss anything with you. Constant accusations and attempts to frame everyone else's positions as bad faith. Keep trying to convince us that a team below .500 has a coach who's doing their job with little to no room for improvement on their part. Your brain is cooked, man. Like, you honestly can't see reason anymore. You're just here to argue for the sake of arguing cause it's almost impossible to comprehend how someone can look at a team that has been at or under .500 for a third of the season and think that the coach has done all they've been asked to do. Unreal.

 

[Micklebot]

Right. It's cherry-picking when it's a clear outlier to how the team has performed over a much longer track record. So, Forsberg's 3 games where he was above .900 sv%, including 2 SOs is just as indicative of his play as the other 8 games where he hasn't had a sv% above .889? Because we wouldn't want to cherry pick the quarter of his GS to come to some sort of conclusion about the real quality of his play, right?

Are you being intentionally stupid or is this just your default way of arguing now? Our special teams are a net negative over the last 20 games and we have a PP that's just average. What exactly is the spin????

What a waste of time it is to discuss anything with you. Constant accusations and attempts to frame everyone else's positions as bad faith. Keep trying to convince us that a team below .500 has a coach who's doing their job with little to no room for improvement on their part. Your brain is cooked, man. Like, you honestly can't see reason anymore. You're just here to argue for the sake of arguing cause it's almost impossible to comprehend how someone can look at a team that has been at or under .500 for a third of the season and think that the coach has done all they've been asked to do. Unreal.

Wow, what a bunch of trash arguements

I'm not saying Forsberg's 3 games are indicative of his level of play, I'm saying taking 3 games out just because you don't like what they do to the numbers is dishonest. They are a part of his performance this year, just like the teams first 7 games on the PP were are a part of their performance.

You claimed PP wasn't good enough based on the PK sucking, that's a dumb position to hold, pure and simple. If we score 5 goals a game 5v5, but allow 7, it doesn't mean our offense sucks, just like if our our special teams are a net negative, it doens't mean the PP sucks. PP and PK are distinct from one another, conflating the two is another dishonest attempt to spin the narrative.

Waste of time indeed.

 

[TheNewEra]

thinking about it and maybe we should try pinto on the wing, at least until he gets going

Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
Giroux-Stutzle-Pinto
Amadio-Greig-Gaudette
Gregor-Ostapchuk-Cousins

If the combination works then when perron is back he can bump amadio/gaudette down and gregor/cousins can fight for the last spot

 

[Tuna99]

Going into the season we all basically agreed this was a bubble team.

But after every loss it seems like people are distraught that we are in fact a bubble team.

Is 25th a bubble team? Where does the bubble start? I don’t think we’re a bubble team, we’re an inconsistent sub .500 team.

 

[PlayOn]

Is 25th a bubble team? Where does the bubble start? I don’t think we’re a bubble team, we’re an inconsistent sub .500 team.

We’re 3 pts off of a playoff spot so yes we’re a bubble team. If we had this conversation Sunday before the game we would’ve been several spots higher in the standings.

It’s gonna be a long season if after every loss we reach for the panic button.