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WTFMAN99 said:
I think those comments would have gone a lot further for them at the end of season presser.
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Still young men, disappointed with having lost... sometimes it takes time to fully focus your thoughts, and explain them. I'm sure we've all experienced that. They've both been winners before, at various levels... they want to win. It doesn't mean that they know how to, or will ever learn, but it's not for a lack of will. In Marner's case, it might actually be trying to do too much, and not sticking to his game, or what works.
 
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Still young men, disappointed with having lost... sometimes it takes time to fully focus your thoughts, and explain them. I'm sure we've all experienced that. They've both been winners before, at various levels... they want to win. It doesn't mean that they know how to, or will ever learn, but it's not for a lack of will. In Marner's case, it might actually be trying to do too much, and not sticking to his game, or what works.
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Marner gets too cute too often, needs to simplify, and work on his shot.

More than that, cut his minutes way the hell back. Final 4 teams in the playoffs did not have their top forwards averaging more than 20 minutes a night.
 
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WTFMAN99 said:
Marner gets too cute too often, needs to simplify, and work on his shot.

More than that, cut his minutes way the hell back. Final 4 teams in the playoffs did not have their top forwards averaging more than 20 minutes a night.
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Is that because the talent was more spread out or because they were managing TOI?

Let's see how Tampa manages their top two lines this year now since their third line is basically the fourth line now.
 
notbias said:
Is that because the talent was more spread out or because they were managing TOI?

Let's see how Tampa manages their top two lines this year now since their third line is basically the fourth line now.
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Point averaged 18:55, I don't think they'll let it get to stupid levels.
 
WTFMAN99 said:
Point averaged 18:55, I don't think they'll let it get to stupid levels.
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The third line got 2nd line minutes last years (~16/17 mins).

So you are expecting a third line (my best guess) of Colton - Baree-Boulet - Joseph to average about 17 minutes a game?
Or are you expecting the fourth line of Maroon - Bellemare - Perry to average more time?

Here is who they lost and how much they played
Gourde - 17:36
Coleman - 16:10
Goodrow - 17:05
Johnson - 10:06

Perry will likely fill in the time for Johnson, but do you expect the new third/fourth line to make up those extra minutes, or do you think the top 2 lines will get more time?
 
notbias said:
The third line got 2nd line minutes last years (~16/17 mins).

So you are expecting a third line (my best guess) of Colton - Baree-Boulet - Joseph to average about 17 minutes a game?
Or are you expecting the fourth line of Maroon - Bellemare - Perry to average more time?

Here is who they lost and how much they played
Gourde - 17:36
Coleman - 16:10
Goodrow - 17:05
Johnson - 10:06

Perry will likely fill in the time for Johnson, but do you expect the new third/fourth line to make up those extra minutes, or do you think the top 2 lines will get more time?
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I think their bottom 6 will surprise with a slight bump to their top 6 TOI.
 
WTFMAN99 said:
I think their bottom 6 will surprise with a slight bump to their top 6 TOI.
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Interesting... to me, if it weren't for Vasilevskiy, I'd say this team has no chance at the cup, and I suspect they will have to rely heavily on the top 6 since that bottom 6 is terrible.
 
notbias said:
Interesting... to me, if it weren't for Vasilevskiy, I'd say this team has no chance at the cup, and I suspect they will have to rely heavily on the top 6 since that bottom 6 is terrible.
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Definitely a step down from years past but that defense is amazing, Vas is good, top 6 is still great and they'll probably add something to bolster the 3rd line for the playoffs.
 
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Interesting... to me, if it weren't for Vasilevskiy, I'd say this team has no chance at the cup, and I suspect they will have to rely heavily on the top 6 since that bottom 6 is terrible.
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They're similar to us with the exception they have the best goalie in the league in net. Similar as in, if their top 6 is putting the puck in the net, they will go far. They're/we're not going to lose 4 times in 7 games if their top 4 players are killing it.
 
WTFMAN99 said:
Marner gets too cute too often, needs to simplify, and work on his shot.

More than that, cut his minutes way the hell back. Final 4 teams in the playoffs did not have their top forwards averaging more than 20 minutes a night.
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Agreed, playing top line mins, plus pp and pk is insane.......take him off the PK
 
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WTFMAN99 said:
Marner gets too cute too often, needs to simplify, and work on his shot.

More than that, cut his minutes way the hell back. Final 4 teams in the playoffs did not have their top forwards averaging more than 20 minutes a night.
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Marner has a great shot in the right scoring area for him. He could be a 40 goal scorer one day. He was on a 30 goal pace last year. He has a decent shot selection idea and accuracy. It’s not a heavy shot but it is improved quite a bit since his rookie year for sure.
I hope he drives the ice in the slot harder and picks up some power in his skating to allow himself to burst through to them areas.
The minutes are ridiculous. Less or no penalty killing might be the best way to cut that back.
 
Too bad Rochette, Gustafsson, and Guevin didn't make the final cuts. Kral might be injured, but sounds like he had a disappointing showing overall
 
LeafChief said:
I guess Rochette and Guevin didn't impress? I see Hardie has made the roster which is cool.
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CantLoseWithMatthews said:
Too bad Rochette, Gustafsson, and Guevin didn't make the final cuts. Kral might be injured, but sounds like he had a disappointing showing overall
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They aren't there due to the USHL starting up soon. Rochette isn't AHL eligible so he likely got "cut". Not sure about Kral, but might be injury related.

 
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