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zeke said:
Who?
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Chris Kunitz.

Regardless, the chemistry argument (Doughty) really doesn't mean anything. I don't believe Muzzin even got into any games at that World Cup, maybe 1 due to injury.

And to the poster that said it was 8 years ago, it was 5, I believe.
 
hamzarocks said:
I'll name them you won't agree so it's pointless.

Muzzin wasn't great last year in tough defensive matchups. Him and holls possession stats dropped when moving to the hardest competition for defense pairs

He also isn't an offensive d-men. He can make a solid zone pass but their are several more dynamic 5v5 offensive d-men on team Canada including Letang, Makar, and Theodore who have better natural puck moving abilities. 2 of those 3 guys didn't have as many high quality offensively capable wingers/centers as Muzzin had.

He's also not a great skater, and has been caught flat footed several times in his tenure with the leafs. Team canada has a series of capable high speed defenders they can rely on to not be at risk of being burned on a bad/offensive read like Muzzin would.

Team Canada has a younger and better Jake Muzzim who if healthy will be a tier above Jake. His name is Aaron Ekblad

Team canada should go with

Makar, Letang, Hamilton, Theodore, Rielly, Ekblad, Pietrangelo, Doughty

As their 8D with Rielly and Doughty on the outside unless they have big seasons leading up to the Olympics

Rielly could be replaced by a PP specialist who could be brought in should some of the main guys struggle
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You can even add guys like Toews, Puloch, Pelech, Chychrun etc.

I don't think either of Reilly or Muzzin are even considered.
 
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hamzarocks said:
I'll name them you won't agree so it's pointless.

Muzzin wasn't great last year in tough defensive matchups. Him and holls possession stats dropped when moving to the hardest competition for defense pairs.
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Minimum 500min. Note that the Muzzin pair is one of only a few here that actually faced the toughest matchups for their team.

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He also isn't an offensive d-men. He can make a solid zone pass but their are several more dynamic 5v5 offensive d-men on team Canada including Letang, Makar, and Theodore who have better natural puck moving abilities. 2 of those 3 guys didn't have as many high quality offensively capable wingers/centers as Muzzin had.
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If he's not top-10 in the league in even strength scoring paces the last 2yrs he's damn close - and that's even despite getting the toughest zone starts and matchups.
 
Isaac Nootin said:
Chris Kunitz.

Regardless, the chemistry argument (Doughty) really doesn't mean anything. I don't believe Muzzin even got into any games at that World Cup, maybe 1 due to injury.

And to the poster that said it was 8 years ago, it was 5, I believe.
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2018 NHL didn't send players to Olympics. Remember Ben Scrivens and Lee?


Because Denis Seidenberg remembers that Olympics

Before that it was in 2014
 
I think the biggest issue standing in the way of Muzzin getting Olympic consideration is not him as a player, but his tendency to get hurt come playoffs every year. Not really his fault, but combined with his age his durability has to be in question. 2nd biggest would be his lack of speed. The olympics will be flush with strong skating players, which isn’t necessarily a good place for Muzzin, likely depends on role they’d envision for him.

In any case, I’d be surprised if he was considered an option and I mean that as no slight.
 
It's interesting how at the same time that everyone says the Leafs need SIZE SIZE SIZE on the blueline they say that Canada needs SPEED SPEED SPEED on the blueline.
 
I think Kase is going to be a huge addition for offence from that 3rd line.

So many bodies, not a lot of spots available.

I bet we see:
Ritchie - Matthews - Marner
Bunting - Tavares - Nylander
Mikheyev - Kerfoot - Kase
Brooks - Kampf - Spezza
Simmonds

Ho-Sang and Robertson the first call-ups

Big fan of this lineup over last season, seems like the right players in the right rolls vs. last season that was a bunch of patch work IMO.
 
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zeke said:
It's interesting how at the same time that everyone says the Leafs need SIZE SIZE SIZE on the blueline they say that Canada needs SPEED SPEED SPEED on the blueline.
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well, I can’t speak for anyone other than myself, but I value skating ability far more than size
 
hotpaws said:
why would you believe it was implied when you said SIZE SIZE SIZE ?

and you only switched since you couldn't find a list of 5'10'' or smaller D people were pimping to make the team
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Sorry for being imprecise with my words.

The criticism of the Leafs' D is not in fact a lack of size, but a lack of toughness.
 
Sypher04 said:
well, I can’t speak for anyone other than myself, but I value skating ability far more than size
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and i value high hockey iq over skating ability , that's why i'm still hopeful Sandin can become an NHLer even though he's small and slow
 
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zeke said:


Make it or break it time for all the bubble boys.
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gonna be really interested to see lines.

dermott and kerfoot the only 2 returning players from last year in this lineup. I do wonder if we are to read anything into that
 
Sypher04 said:
gonna be really interested to see lines.

dermott and kerfoot the only 2 returning players from last year in this lineup. I do wonder if we are to read anything into that
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will be interesting to see which of Dermott/Sandin/Lilly are paired up (or if they're all split on different pairs).
 


show for what exactly ?

the D is set except for the 6th guy and that'll come down to either Sandin or Lilly
 
Lemme try a guess at lines.


Bunting --- Kerfoot --- Ho-Sang
Gusev --- Kampf --- Kase
Robertson --- Amadio --- Simmonds
Gabriel --- Semyonov --- Anderson
Abramov

Dahlstrom --- Liljegren
Dermott --- Biega
Sandin --- Duszak
Kral --- Villeneuve
 
zeke said:
Lemme try a guess at lines.


Bunting --- Kerfoot --- Ho-Sang
Gusev --- Kampf --- Kase
Robertson --- Amadio --- Simmonds
Gabriel --- Semyonov --- Anderson
Abramov

Dahlstrom --- Liljegren
Dermott --- Biega
Sandin --- Duszak
Kral --- Villeneuve
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They be doing Lilly dirty if they pair him, or anyone, with Dahlstrom. Should just play Kral. And Villeneuve I would think plays over Duszak before he heads back to junior.
 
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therealkoho said:
Ilya Mikheyev - Alexander Kerfoot - Ondřej Kaše
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Some good ideas there, but you're missing a shutdown line.

And since this line will produce zero offence, they are basically just there to eat up ice time while the top two lines rest? If the Leafs are going to go anywhere in the playoffs they need a 3rd line that can, ideally, shut down opposing stars and produce, or at the very least one of the two.
 
Being an Ottawa home game, I could see them icing a pretty good lineup. Could be ugly
 
kevsh said:
Some good ideas there, but you're missing a shutdown line.

And since this line will produce zero offence, they are basically just there to eat up ice time while the top two lines rest? If the Leafs are going to go anywhere in the playoffs they need a 3rd line that can, ideally, shut down opposing stars and produce, or at the very least one of the two.
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You literally described what a shutdown line does for this line.
 
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