GDT: Training Camp Discussion

[egd27]

PP ice time, 2020-2021

Rielly: 160:30
Sandin: 15:51

"replaced"

Also, pretty much everybody here was demanding changes and trying different things when the PP was cold.

2021 Playoff PP TOI/GP
Rielly: 3:08 7GP
Sandin: 3:14 5GP

 

[ACC1224]

We already have a Dubas thread. Keep the conversation on topic
Thanks!

Bless you!!

 

[nuck]

You’ll note I said he’s done a decent job drafting and have given praise on certain trades. What you’ve said here works both ways too, just look at the full time dubists on here, reading them you’d swear he’s infallible and the team is a dynasty. It’s the weirdest thing I’ve seen on here, devotion to a GM of all things. Not including you in that group. Cheers.

I remember when Burke was here, I think I counted 7 or 8 people that had Burke as part of their handle. Its a thing.

 

[Dekes For Days]

2021 Playoff PP TOI/GP
Rielly: 3:08 7GP
Sandin: 3:14 5GP

PP time, 2021 Playoffs

Rielly: 21:59
Sandin: 16:10

Giving Sandin some time on the #1 PP unit when it was running cold and Rielly was playing a ton otherwise isn't "replacing" Rielly, and the underlying point is that there's nothing to support the idea of Rielly being upset about whatever you want to call it.

 

[Gabriel426]

PP time, 2021 Playoffs

Rielly: 21:59
Sandin: 16:10

Giving Sandin some time on the #1 PP unit when it was running cold and Rielly was playing a ton otherwise isn't "replacing" Rielly, and the underlying point is that there's nothing to support the idea of Rielly being upset about whatever you want to call it.

It is within reason to believe Reilly is upset about it. Just saying.

 

[29Potvin]

Will be interesting to see what the real story is here because Dubas said lowering the AAV is worth a substantial amount in a cap world (Hyman situation). So if Rielly's deal is closer to Paraykos, adding extra AAV just to avoid a NMC is not worth it. You're better off giving the NMC the way Rielly wants it and taking the lower AAV. Everything right now is just speculation but very puzzling indeed.

I think that Mo wants the protection on this season or he could find himself in a Carter/Richards type situation where he signs the deal and the season goes south on the Leafs and he is traded before his next contract kicks in.

 

[Dekes For Days]

It is within reason to believe Reilly is upset about it.

It's not within reason to believe that. Rielly has consistently shown to be a leader and a great teammate, who wants what's best for the team, and we literally have an example of him willingly giving up that role to help a teammate in the previous season. And that was a lot more than somebody just playing a few shifts on the top unit.

 

[DarkKnight]

wasnt lumping you into a side or anything, just speaking generally, and absolutely, it definitely cuts both directions. I’m just ready to focus on hockey and how this team realistically gets better and accomplishes their goals now. I’m just not interested in this never ending blame game. I was mad when the playoffs ended, like most all of us, but I’m even more tired of beating this dead horse all over these boards

Fair enough.

 

[egd27]

PP time, 2021 Playoffs

Rielly: 21:59
Sandin: 16:10

Giving Sandin some time on the #1 PP unit when it was running cold and Rielly was playing a ton otherwise isn't "replacing" Rielly, and the underlying point is that there's nothing to support the idea of Rielly being upset about whatever you want to call it.

No idea, if Rielly was/is upset about it. Just noting that in playoffs, Sandin had slightly more PP time per game played, as the numbers you posted were (i assume) regular season totals.

 

[Golden_Jet]

No idea, if Rielly was/is upset about it. Just noting that in playoffs, Sandin had slightly more PP time per game played, as the numbers you posted were (i assume) regular season totals.

Those are post season as , poster mentions, and 20 minutes of PP in regular season wouldn’t make sense. Sandin is lower because he played less games on PP.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Just noting that in playoffs, Sandin had slightly more PP time per game played

It was about the same per game, and Rielly had more PP time overall. Both spent time on the #1 unit. Rielly was not "replaced", and nothing suggests he's upset about Sandin getting some shifts there.

 

[WTFMAN99]

For sure but I'm referring to payback that doesn't count on the scoreboard.
Pre-season is the perfect time to goon it up.

They're probably better equipped to goon it up than us...and odds of a playoff series again seem long.

Truly the best revenge would be getting as far as they got and then climbing the mountain to the peak.

 

[Sypher04]

It is within reason to believe Reilly is upset about it. Just saying.

How so? Rielly has a history of being the ultimate team first guy, he’s never given any indication it’s a source of any annoyance for him, and the leafs tried all kinds of different looks at forward while the power play was operating at worst in the league in the 2nd half, why would he expect to immune from the juggling?

 

[ToneDog]

It was about the same per game, and Rielly had more PP time overall. Both spent time on the #1 unit. Rielly was not "replaced", and nothing suggests he's upset about Sandin getting some shifts there.

Sandin only played 5 of the 7 games averaging 13+ minutes per game and was out of his league in most of them. It is the playoffs and the team starts a rookie in your place on PP#1. Yup no chance the robot Rielly is upset about it. Pretty sure Rielly wasn't doing cartwheels when Byron walked Sandin and scored the SH winner in game #1 though.

Keep believing what you want to believe/spin but if Rielly has any pride, he is not happy with the decision.

 

[Mad hatter]

PP time, 2021 Playoffs

Rielly: 21:59
Sandin: 16:10

Giving Sandin some time on the #1 PP unit when it was running cold and Rielly was playing a ton otherwise isn't "replacing" Rielly, and the underlying point is that there's nothing to support the idea of Rielly being upset about whatever you want to call it.

At that point the series was ours for the taking as well, so it was a perfect opportunity to try it. I like Reilly but if that upset him time to move on. Preform or get replaced, simple as that I think

 

[Gabriel426]

It's not within reason to believe that. Rielly has consistently shown to be a leader and a great teammate, who wants what's best for the team, and we literally have an example of him willingly giving up that role to help a teammate in the previous season. And that was a lot more than somebody just playing a few shifts on the top unit.

How so? Rielly has a history of being the ultimate team first guy, he’s never given any indication it’s a source of any annoyance for him, and the leafs tried all kinds of different looks at forward while the power play was operating at worst in the league in the 2nd half, why would he expect to immune from the juggling?

Honestly, nobody knows. I am merely suggesting Reilly could be upset about it.
The question is would Reilly if upset about PP time be at a point where he won't resign with the Leafs? I doubt it.
I think it comes down to AAV or else both sides would agree to a contract already.
I really don't buy the NMC/NTC thing.

 

[ToneDog]

At that point the series was ours for the taking as well, so it was a perfect opportunity to try it. I like Reilly but if that upset him time to move on. Preform or get replaced, simple as that I think

If Rielly is not pissed at being taken off PP1 for a rookie who had barely played during the season, time to move on. Seriously, these guys are not robots.

 

[Dekes For Days]

It is the playoffs and the team starts a rookie in your place on PP#1. Yup no chance the robot Rielly is upset about it

Both Rielly and Sandin played with the 1st unit in game #1. There's nothing to suggest that Rielly is upset about Sandin getting some shifts there, especially when the PP had been struggling, he was still getting decent PP time, and he was still playing big minutes overall. You're projecting your personal feelings about the situation onto him.

 

[Gabriel426]

Wouldn't you want players to be piss if you taken them out of PP or play them less minutes or sit them at the press box?
Bc it shows the players think they don't deserve it and will play with a chip on their shoulder and play better to prove the coaches wrong.

Or would you rather have players who shows no emotions(not necessarily don't care) and just carry on the same way after coaches decrease their PP and ice time? In short no improvement in their plays.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Sandin only played 5 of the 7 games averaging 13+ minutes per game and was out of his league in most of them. It is the playoffs and the team starts a rookie in your place on PP#1. Yup no chance the robot Rielly is upset about it. Pretty sure Rielly wasn't doing cartwheels when Byron walked Sandin and scored the SH winner in game #1 though.

Keep believing what you want to believe/spin but if Rielly has any pride, he is not happy with the decision.

If Rielly has any pride he'd be working on getting his shot to an acceptable level for a top-4 NHL D. If he didn't want to be replaced on the top unit he should have been more effective on it.

He should be mad about it, but that anger should be directed at himself.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Wouldn't you want players to be piss if you taken them out of PP or play them less minutes or sit them at the press box?

I want my players to put the team above themselves. If a PP is running cold, I expect players on my team to not hold a grudge because other players were given some opportunity. Rielly was not put in the press box. Rielly was not played less. Rielly didn't even get less PP time than he did in the regular season. There's no reason to be upset at Sandin getting some shifts there, and there's no indication that he was.

 

[ottomaddox]

If Rielly has any pride he'd be working on getting his shot to an acceptable level for a top-4 NHL D. If he didn't want to be replaced on the top unit he should have been more effective on it.

He should be mad about it, but that anger should be directed at himself.

You could probably say the same about Marner.

 

[Martin Skoula]

You could probably say the same about Marner.

Marner and Rielly are the biggest culprits for it, no question. You don't need them to be Laine out there, their shots just need to be strong enough that the other team can't ignore them and double team Tavares/Matthews. Even if Rielly isn't scoring clappers from the point, he at least needs to get it on net for rebounds and tips. Drove me nuts watching him miss the net or hit a shinpad and have the puck bounce out of the zone on the PP because of it. I wish we could clone 2014 Franson and only play him on the PP.

I think a big part of the reason that the Galchenyuk-Kerfoot-Nylander line did so well was that all 3 have above average shots on top of being good passers, it's much easier to create chaos when you don't know that the shot is 100% coming from Matthews.

 

[Gabriel426]

I want my players to put the team above themselves. If a PP is running cold, I expect players on my team to not hold a grudge because other players were given some opportunity. Rielly was not put in the press box. Rielly was not played less. Rielly didn't even get less PP time than he did in the regular season. There's no reason to be upset at Sandin getting some shifts there, and there's no indication that he was.

I am not saying Reilly is upset or piss, I am suggesting he might be. On the other hand, he might not be. I don't know since I don't know him personally, and when I saw him at the Country Club in the summer, I didn't ask him about that bc I think it is stupid to ask him that question, it also didn't cross my mind and I think players deserve to enjoy their down time with their families.
Unless you know Reilly personally, I don't think you can speak for certain that it didn't bother him.
Also when you quote someone, can you at least finish reading the rest of his/her post. I didn't suggest Reilly holding a grudge or him being put in the press box, heck I didn't even suggest Reilly. I was speaking in general. It is very difficult to even have a discussion with you b/c you just seem to take whatever you want to reply and run with it instead of reading and understanding what other people wrote and reply.

 

[Gabriel426]

If Rielly has any pride he'd be working on getting his shot to an acceptable level for a top-4 NHL D. If he didn't want to be replaced on the top unit he should have been more effective on it.

He should be mad about it, but that anger should be directed at himself.

Yep, any players when taken off PP or PK or play less minutes, should feel the pressure to play better and work harder. Instead of acting like nothing happens