GDT: Training Camp Discussion

[justashadowof]

I can't mindread Rielly's thoughts but if my coach gave away my PP time to someone who bailed every time the battle for a puck got dangerous, I'd be pissed. I'd probably start counting the days until I was free.

 

[egd27]

It was my original

Dekes post 454
You replied quoting post 454 in 459
Which I then commented on in post 460

Anyways cheers.

Sure.....no big deal.

 

[Coachcorner]

They must be. Apparently Sandin has replaced Rielly on the PP. Surprised they are working on that so early in camp.

I can dig it sire. Thank you for the sure information on this. I LOVE LIFE AND I AM SO EXCITED!!!!!

 

[justashadowof]

Better Sandin than Barrie at least if the management and coaching staff have decided to disrespect Morgan Rielly.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

By all means, continue to wipe your feces all over every thread, regardless of the topic.

Why you angry. Lost without adv stats for the person

 

[Martin Skoula]

This idea that a rocket from the point is paramount is ridiculous. If it was then our PP would consist of:


Robertson Galychenuck Matthews
Muzzin Sandin

That's just not going to happen. Again making Marner and Rielly the scapegoats because of their 'lack of rocket' is not the issue with the PP. I can think of many players and many team who never had a point rocket.

You don't need a rocket, you do need to get it on net consistently and be enough of a threat that the PK can't just ignore you. Rielly hits shinpads and the boards behind the net more often than he creates rebounds.

Here's every single goal in the best offensive season he'll ever have:


Can you count how many of them he scored from outside the circles? I see 5 total and 4 of them were complete flukes, the last one was a nice shot I'll grant him that. He's not an offensive threat unless he's pinching deep. That's a risky game to play in the playoffs where one mistake will end your season.

 

[yubbers]

This idea that a rocket from the point is paramount is ridiculous. If it was then our PP would consist of:


Robertson Galychenuck Matthews
Muzzin Sandin

That's just not going to happen. Again making Marner and Rielly the scapegoats because of their 'lack of rocket' is not the issue with the PP. I can think of many players and many team who never had a point rocket.

How can you argue having less weapons is better than more in the PP? If you make a guy cheat up higher to take away point shots more often it opens up our skilled forwards a bit.

 

[LaPlante94]

You don't need a rocket, you do need to get it on net consistently and be enough of a threat that the PK can't just ignore you. Rielly hits shinpads and the boards behind the net more often than he creates rebounds.

Here's every single goal in the best offensive season he'll ever have:


Can you count how many of them he scored from outside the circles? I see 5 total and 4 of them were complete flukes, the last one was a nice shot I'll grant him that. He's not an offensive threat unless he's pinching deep. That's a risky game to play in the playoffs where one mistake will end your season.

You said you count 5 and 4 of them are flukes eh. None of those really look like flukes but I'll give you the one against New Jersey just to make you happy. You guys can sit here and argue and try and say Rielly has a shit shot but no matter who we put back there it never really helped our PP look much better. Has nothing to do with Rielly or the person at the point because they are only on our PP to give the puck to Matthews or Marner and that's it. Our system sucks and tbh Marner being in the wrong spot on the PP doesn't help since they don't really cover that side of the ice.

 

[ottomaddox]

You don't need a rocket, you do need to get it on net consistently and be enough of a threat that the PK can't just ignore you. Rielly hits shinpads and the boards behind the net more often than he creates rebounds.

Here's every single goal in the best offensive season he'll ever have:


Can you count how many of them he scored from outside the circles? I see 5 total and 4 of them were complete flukes, the last one was a nice shot I'll grant him that. He's not an offensive threat unless he's pinching deep. That's a risky game to play in the playoffs where one mistake will end your season.

TOR's forwards have no grit/no puck retrieval hunger whatsoever. This is true for PP especially. No hitting, digging, or not much. This is so apparent that the leafs need players to enter the zone with the puck every time as a opposed to a shoot in. If you remove Rielly as a puck mover/fast skater who the hell is going to get the puck to TOR's no grit forwards? This Rielly no rocket witch hunt has got to stop.

 

[Martin Skoula]

You said you count 5 and 4 of them are flukes eh. None of those really look like flukes but I'll give you the one against New Jersey just to make you happy. You guys can sit here and argue and try and say Rielly has a shit shot but no matter who we put back there it never really helped our PP look much better. Has nothing to do with Rielly or the person at the point because they are only on our PP to give the puck to Matthews or Marner and that's it. Our system sucks and tbh Marner being in the wrong spot on the PP doesn't help since they don't really cover that side of the ice.

That's the problem. Why would the other team bother having someone pressure the D if he's not a threat to score unless he walks up to the circles? If I'm defending against our PP, I'd much rather put that extra guy on Matthews and let Rielly waste time playing catch with Marner for 30 seconds until a bad bounce makes them lose the zone.

 

[ottomaddox]

How can you argue having less weapons is better than more in the PP? If you make a guy cheat up higher to take away point shots more often it opens up our skilled forwards a bit.

I'm not arguing that. I am sick of HFBoardsters claiming that TOR's PP futility has everything to do with a lack of rocket from the point.

 

[zeke]

I'm not arguing that. I am sick of HFBoardsters claiming that TOR's PP futility has everything to do with a lack of rocket from the point.

That's their genius hockeyIQ coming through.

 

[LaPlante94]

That's the problem. Why would the other team bother having someone pressure the D if he's not a threat to score unless he walks up to the circles? If I'm defending against our PP, I'd much rather put that extra guy on Matthews and let Rielly waste time playing catch with Marner for 30 seconds until a bad bounce makes them lose the zone.

Like I said, they don't need to defend one side of the ice because we got someone who is just a playmaker and not really a shooting threat. No matter who we had at the point they didn't really score PP goals or even shoot from the point because they are literally just there so Matthews and Marner can reset and then receive a pass back.

 

[Leafs at Knight]

It is within reason to believe Reilly is upset about it. Just saying.

It's not within reasoning at all, in fact is just baseless speculation with no evidence which adds nothing of value.

Unless somebody talks to Rielly, it is only speculation. I made it clear I was speculating that he might have been upset to be taken off the #1 PP going the playoffs. The only one who is not speculating that he is not upset is you.

Yea but why? Seems dumb to just randomly speculate on small game changes and expand them to potential locker room problems. I don't get the point. Ok maybe Rielly was actually happy he got taken off the PP because he doesn't like playing on it, and would rather play more ES time.

 

[Leafs at Knight]

Also

 

[Gabriel426]

It's not within reasoning at all, in fact is just baseless speculation with no evidence which adds nothing of value.

Yea but why? Seems dumb to just randomly speculate on small game changes and expand them to potential locker room problems. I don't get the point. Ok maybe Rielly was actually happy he got taken off the PP because he doesn't like playing on it, and would rather play more ES time.

Do you know Reilly personally?

Can someone really be certain to state Reilly got no problem with the change in PP time by not knowing Reilly personally?

Reilly might be fine with it, he might not be, or as you put it, he might even be happy that he does not need to play PP anymore, we will never know until he retires or no longer a Leafs and speak about it years from now.

One thing I do know for sure, this PP time thing is not the sticking point on Reilly's next contract.
Like all Hockey contracts, it is the dollars and terms. Hopefully, he signs soon as I think he is someone who bleeds the Blue and White.

 

[Leafs at Knight]

Do you know Reilly personally?

Can someone really be certain to state Reilly got no problem with the change in PP time by not knowing Reilly personally?

Reilly might be fine with it, he might not be, or as you put it, he might even be happy that he does not need to play PP anymore, we will never know until he retires or no longer a Leafs and speak about it years from now.

One thing I do know for sure, this PP time thing is not the sticking point on Reilly's next contract.
Like all Hockey contracts, it is the dollars and terms. Hopefully, he signs soon as I think he is someone who bleeds the Blue and White.

No I don't know Rielly personally that's why I didn't and don't speculate on baseless assumptions, especially locker room stuff that no one knows about. The fact is out PP sucked, and Rielly sucked on it, trying something new was the right call, end of story.

 

[TheScandal89]

This idea that a rocket from the point is paramount is ridiculous. If it was then our PP would consist of:


Robertson Galychenuck Matthews
Muzzin Sandin

That's just not going to happen. Again making Marner and Rielly the scapegoats because of their 'lack of rocket' is not the issue with the PP. I can think of many players and many team who never had a point rocket.

I think its not that you need a rocket shot, its you need someone who can at least get pucks threw and/or has a dangerous shot to keep the PK'ers honest. When Marner has the puck alone at the point, teams can pretty much ignore his shot and keep their eyes on the passing lanes.

 

[Gabriel426]

No I don't know Rielly personally that's why I didn't and don't speculate on baseless assumptions, especially locker room stuff that no one knows about. The fact is out PP sucked, and Rielly sucked on it, trying something new was the right call, end of story.

Then don't act like you know the answer by saying other speculations are nonsense. Just my two cents.
The PP sucked, Reilly and other players on the PP sucked on it. Trying something new is the right call, maybe Marner even JT will be taken off it bc they were part of the sucked PP. Guess will never know and lets the results speak of itself when the Real season starts.

 

[Menzinger]

The #6 D imo probably the more interesting storyline at the moment

 

[therealkoho]

William Nylander not yet fully vaccinated

I mean WTAF?

was he too busy doing his other job as a shoe salesman, a job he went out and got because 7m just isn't enough?

 

[Leafs at Knight]

Then don't act like you know the answer by saying other speculations are nonsense. Just my two cents.
The PP sucked, Reilly and other players on the PP sucked on it. Trying something new is the right call, maybe Marner even JT will be taken off it bc they were part of the sucked PP. Guess will never know and lets the results speak of itself when the Real season starts.

What are you talking about? There's posters speculating that Rielly is mad that he got taken off the PP in the playoffs, what exactly is the point of even mentioning something like that, I don't get it.

 

[Racer88]

I can't mindread Rielly's thoughts but if my coach gave away my PP time to someone who bailed every time the battle for a puck got dangerous, I'd be pissed. I'd probably start counting the days until I was free.

Along those lines everyone should be pissed at Marner on the PP.

 

[Gabriel426]

I think its not that you need a rocket shot, its you need someone who can at least get pucks threw and/or has a dangerous shot to keep the PK'ers honest. When Marner has the puck alone at the point, teams can pretty much ignore his shot and keep their eyes on the passing lanes.

I think having a rocket shot will no doubt help but it is not the be all end all.
One thing I like to see is more movements/chaos in front of the net and more shots taken in the PP. It seemed like the PP was looking for the perfect shot all the time and it ended with just passing around for 40 seconds.

 

[Racer88]

I mean WTAF?

was he too busy doing his other job as a shoe salesman, a job he went out and got because 7m just isn't enough?

Dam I was thinking the same thing. Lol