GDT: Training Camp Discussion

[Sypher04]

That 72 point season is in the rear view mirror at this point.

I’m personally not convinced that Rielly doesn’t have another season like that in him. Or more than one. But obviously you cannot negotiate a contract based on that thought process

 

[DarkKnight]

If his plan is to use Rielly as an own rental in order to serve his best interests, he should have been fired yesterday. It is inexcusable to allow Rielly to walk for nothing. Fail to get to round #2 and watching Rielly walk for nothing will make this past off season look like a picnic in terms of fan anger.

This is the danger of Dubas on the clock, he’s making short term decisions for his agenda rather than what’s best for the team. They need to determine yesterday if they can resign Reilly and if not start making calls. Only a fool thinks you don’t pay a price letting people walk for nothing every year, it’s more than just cap space. His slow play on Reilly is concerning.

 

[WTFMAN99]

All three of Pulock, Lindholm and Klingberg are good names. The challenge of course, do they go to UFA, and if they do... do they provide any savings over Rielly. We saw what happens this year, with some massive overpayments.

Schultz I don't see...

I'd just hope that if we can't get a deal done with Mo, we find a way to make changes sooner, than later. Bringing a Lindholm in, and extending for example. I'm not sure if Rangers would do it, but they make big splashes, so I'd ask for Miller and Schneider for Mo.

I wouldn't even need Miller in addition to Schneider....something else...anything else of decent value and I do it. I am ridiculously high on Schneider.

In terms of how it works out otherwise...if it's Lindholm let's say at 7 years 7M per (I think his lack of offense doesn't punch him to that 7.5-8M range)

Lindholm-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Sandin-Liljegren

If Pulock somehow makes it

Muzzin-Pulock
Sandin-Brodie
X-Holl(?)

Kinda hoping for some solid progress from Sandin in that case.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side. I understand how badly you see Rielly and what not but I don't think Pulock or Lindholm are worth more than him at all in any category, even if they are good players in their own right.

If you want to dumb down Rielly to just being a passenger that can pass and get easy points, I don't know what to tell you.

I think Lindholm comes in less $$ and Pulock perhaps a hair more.

Rielly can skate the puck out of the zone but poor coverage inside it, concedes the blueline very easily.

He can pass the puck very well whether it be break out or on the PP but basically zero shot threat.

I wouldn't trust him in a match up role or if I needed a big PK

I think our team maybe has outgrown his limited game.

 

[Sypher04]

Honestly, given all the noise about needing a big point shot guy, whether valid or not, I’d be pretty surprised if Rielly hadn’t been using his summer to work specifically on that. Rielly’s biggest shooting issue is a tendency not to do it, more so than quality

 

[ToneDog]

This is the danger of Dubas on the clock, he’s making short term decisions for his agenda rather than what’s best for the team. They need to determine yesterday if they can resign Reilly and if not start making calls. Only a fool thinks you don’t pay a price letting people walk for nothing every year, it’s more than just cap space. His slow play on Reilly is concerning.

I pity the GM who takes over the train wreck Dubas will be leaving. Potentially, no #1 goalie and no Rielly, 3 draft picks this summer, cap hell, small skilled prospects. The only silver lining is that the Dubasites will disappear.

 

[Apex Predator]

If his plan is to use Rielly as an own rental in order to serve his best interests, he should have been fired yesterday. It is inexcusable to allow Rielly to walk for nothing. Fail to get to round #2 and watching Rielly walk for nothing will make this past off season look like a picnic in terms of fan anger.

I don’t blame Dubas for taking the chance that Reilly might walk. He might be on the hot seat and if he checked what was out there and nothing made the team better why would he trade him. The guy is trying to save his job. All of us would do the same and anyone saying they wouldn’t are lying.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

This is the danger of Dubas on the clock, he’s making short term decisions for his agenda rather than what’s best for the team. They need to determine yesterday if they can resign Reilly and if not start making calls. Only a fool thinks you don’t pay a price letting people walk for nothing every year, it’s more than just cap space. His slow play on Reilly is concerning.

This is a fact of life in pro sports everywhere it is not just a Leaf issue .. I think they are very close on both term and AAV and it is down to NMC and what years it applies .. of course NMC's term change AAV so it gets tricky to manage .. but both sides want it done and it will get done before season starts

 

[Sypher04]

This is the danger of Dubas on the clock, he’s making short term decisions for his agenda rather than what’s best for the team. They need to determine yesterday if they can resign Reilly and if not start making calls. Only a fool thinks you don’t pay a price letting people walk for nothing every year, it’s more than just cap space. His slow play on Reilly is concerning.

I guess it remains to be seen, but I don’t think a Dubas will do anything stupid this year to save himself. I think he’ll build the program up as he sees it correctly to be done, and if he goes down with the ship, that’s what happens.

i still fully anticipate this deal gets done

 

[ToneDog]

Leafs tried to replace Rielly on the PP with Barrie and then a rookie. I wonder how pissed off those two moves made him ??

 

[zeke]

I pity the GM who takes over the train wreck Dubas will be leaving. Potentially, no #1 goalie and no Rielly, 3 draft picks this summer, cap hell, small skilled prospects. The only silver lining is that the Dubasites will disappear.

An elite core, zero bad contracts, and one of the better prospect systems in hockey.

It would be an absolute dream scenario to walk into.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I pity the GM who takes over the train wreck Dubas will be leaving.

No reason to think Dubas will be leaving anytime soon, but if he does, the next guy would walk into an amazing situation. A great team that's solid in all positions, some of the best players in the league, no bad contracts, and a solid pipeline.

 

[WTFMAN99]

This is a fact of life in pro sports everywhere it is not just a Leaf issue .. I think they are very close on both term and AAV and it is down to NMC and what years it applies .. of course NMC's term change AAV so it gets tricky to manage .. but both sides want it done and it will get done before season starts

If you're calling it from now, respect.

 

[3headeddragon]

He was asked about Marner and he gave the answer within that context. GM’s generalize all the time when asked a specific question, but it’s still relevant.

He prefixed it which leads into comprehension.

 

[Fogelhund]

I wouldn't even need Miller in addition to Schneider....something else...anything else of decent value and I do it. I am ridiculously high on Schneider.

In terms of how it works out otherwise...if it's Lindholm let's say at 7 years 7M per (I think his lack of offense doesn't punch him to that 7.5-8M range)

Lindholm-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Sandin-Liljegren

If Pulock somehow makes it

Muzzin-Pulock
Sandin-Brodie
X-Holl(?)

Kinda hoping for some solid progress from Sandin in that case.



I think Lindholm comes in less $$ and Pulock perhaps a hair more.

Rielly can skate the puck out of the zone but poor coverage inside it, concedes the blueline very easily.

He can pass the puck very well whether it be break out or on the PP but basically zero shot threat.

I wouldn't trust him in a match up role or if I needed a big PK

I think our team maybe has outgrown his limited game.

Of course Miller and Schneider being brought in, would give our D a great core long-term. If I had to add, I probably would. Both guys would be great additions, and I can understand why you'd be high on Schneider, but Miller is pretty good in his own right.

I'd hope for solid progress from Sandin too, and I think/hope we are going to see a quality player in Liljegren once he acclimatizes to the NHL. Perhaps we should volunteer to help Kyle out, and get some deals done.. we'd make a good team. LOL

 

[hotpaws]

I pity the GM who takes over the train wreck Dubas will be leaving. Potentially, no #1 goalie and no Rielly, 3 draft picks this summer, cap hell, small skilled prospects. The only silver lining is that the Dubasites will disappear.

3 draft picks ?

the new GM will be lucky if Dubie leaves him the 7th , lol

 

[Wafflewhipper]

I wonder if this is going to be the easiest team in the league to play against again. Kurtis Gabriel should be the #13 forward. I would rather he plays and stays with the leafs.
The last three years have been hard to watch a bunch of cowardly players. I can only give a pass on it for so long. They have to fight in every meaning of the word if they are not going to be just regular season queens.
Being the team dead last in hits differential 3 years running explains why we don’t win in the playoffs. Play the physical players Keefe or you can start packing your bags now. This must be the Freddy Gauthier syndrome or something with this team.

 

[ToneDog]

An elite core, zero bad contracts, and one of the better prospect systems in hockey.

It would be an absolute dream scenario to walk into.

No reason to think Dubas will be leaving anytime soon, but if he does, the next guy would walk into an amazing situation. A great team that's solid in all positions, some of the best players in the league, no bad contracts, and a solid pipeline.

No true #1 goalie. Good chance we see Hutch again this year.
4 draft picks last year, 3 this year
cap hell which has seen many players thrown overboard to the point where our bottom 6 is a joke
Solid pipeline ?? Debatable.

 

[Fogelhund]

Matthews needs to work with some PR people, to improve his interviews.

 

[3headeddragon]

It’s not misleading its lying. Dubas said he will not tell reporters anything on any specific player. Pretty clear lies reporting. Why is he being a liar?

Sensationalism. It gets more clicks and retreats. But absolutely misleading.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Of course Miller and Schneider being brought in, would give our D a great core long-term. If I had to add, I probably would. Both guys would be great additions, and I can understand why you'd be high on Schneider, but Miller is pretty good in his own right.

I'd hope for solid progress from Sandin too, and I think/hope we are going to see a quality player in Liljegren once he acclimatizes to the NHL. Perhaps we should volunteer to help Kyle out, and get some deals done.. we'd make a good team. LOL

LOL

I actually really liked K'Andre Miller a lot for our pick in that draft but just because of the sky high potential I figured he'd have gone before our pick I also liked Beaudin and heard the Leafs did too...but we got Sandin who looks good so far.

Because we do have Sandin as a big piece at LD...Schneider at RD would just be fantastic...Rangers set for years to come with Fox and Trouba at RD...Lundkqvist to a much lesser extent is there. Rielly would really solidify their NHL LD too.

 

[SprDaVE]

I pity the GM who takes over the train wreck Dubas will be leaving. Potentially, no #1 goalie and no Rielly, 3 draft picks this summer, cap hell, small skilled prospects. The only silver lining is that the Dubasites will disappear.

What? I could think of far worse situations to be in.

Zero bad long-term contracts. A bunch of solid to good prospects, not all are "small" either, so that's a weird baseless comment. Picks are easily acquired in a rebuild, even the worst GMs ever can do that pretty easily.

Breathe a little and take a step back.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Sensationalism. It gets more clicks and retreats. But absolutely misleading.

Yep he’s a liar. Dubas specifically said he “will not” tell them anything that was offered on any player specifically. I listened to the interview, it was clear asa bell. He’s a liar

 

[Fogelhund]

Yep he’s a liar. Dubas specifically said he “will not” tell them anything that was offered on any player specifically. I listened to the interview, it was clear asa bell. He’s a liar

LOL.. day drinking? Just become that miserable about the team? If it's no longer a fun distraction...

 

[notbias]

If his plan is to use Rielly as an own rental in order to serve his best interests, he should have been fired yesterday. It is inexcusable to allow Rielly to walk for nothing. Fail to get to round #2 and watching Rielly walk for nothing will make this past off season look like a picnic in terms of fan anger.

Silly take, every team uses rentals, if you think this team is nowhere close to contending may as well get rid of anyone who is not signed into when you think they will be contending.

Really don't understand the logic of "we must get value out of UFA players" when the value is taking a shot at the playoffs.

Rielly is worth 7-7.5 million, if he wants more, let him walk. Defensively he is not hard to replace, offensively his cap can fix that hole whether upfront or on the backend.

 

[notbias]

Leafs tried to replace Rielly on the PP with Barrie and then a rookie. I wonder how pissed off those two moves made him ??

Do you even follow the Leafs? He was onboard with Barrie getting PP time, he wanted Barrie to get going.

Morgan, when Sheldon came into the job, went to Sheldon and said he would have no problem, if it was what was best for the team, going to the second power-play unit to put Tyson on the first unit so that Tyson could get going. If we were going to reach our potential, everyone felt it was important that Tyson played the way we knew he was capable of playing.