Training Camp 2023

[renberg]

This team isn’t going to be very good. The return of Couturier and Atkinson won’t move the meter too much in the Flyers’ favor. There are just too many holes in the roster. So then why not play Desnoyers, Foerster, Zamula and Attard? Their performances aren’t going to be much worse, if any, from the vets that they replace. The young guys will get NHL experience which is superior to playing in the AHL. Rebuilding means replacing what exists. Replacing old stiffs with other old stiffs is not rebuilding.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

This team isn’t going to be very good. The return of Couturier and Atkinson won’t move the meter too much in the Flyers’ favor. There are just too many holes in the roster. So then why not play Desnoyers, Foerster, Zamula and Attard? Their performances aren’t going to be much worse, if any, from the vets that they replace. The young guys will get NHL experience which is superior to playing in the AHL. Rebuilding means replacing what exists. Replacing old stiffs with other old stiffs is not rebuilding.

I'm pretty mad at the idea that Atkinson coming back also means that Foerster probably doesn't play full time. The only way that happens is if Cates is back to LW and we all know that won't happen.

Considering we got Staal, Walker and Seeler, no f***ing way does Attard or Zamula touch the ice unless it's significant injuries.

Desnoyers seems like he would be a good 4th line fit, but with ND, Hathaway (I think he's a good bottom 6 player, but he's not really what we needed on this team) and Poehling on the books, no way does he ever smell the ice.

 

[renberg]

I'm pretty mad at the idea that Atkinson coming back also means that Foerster probably doesn't play full time. The only way that happens is if Cates is back to LW and we all know that won't happen.

Considering we got Staal, Walker and Seeler, no f***ing way does Attard or Zamula touch the ice unless it's significant injuries.

Desnoyers seems like he would be a good 4th line fit, but with ND, Hathaway (I think he's a good bottom 6 player, but he's not really what we needed on this team) and Poehling on the books, no way does he ever smell the ice.

Here is the problem. Adding the vets did nothing to really improve the team. Giving younger players those positions was the better thing to do. Either they learn and succeed or fail and get set aside. So what if they struggle? With this club a loss on the ice is a win in the draft.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

This team isn’t going to be very good. The return of Couturier and Atkinson won’t move the meter too much in the Flyers’ favor. There are just too many holes in the roster. So then why not play Desnoyers, Foerster, Zamula and Attard? Their performances aren’t going to be much worse, if any, from the vets that they replace. The young guys will get NHL experience which is superior to playing in the AHL. Rebuilding means replacing what exists. Replacing old stiffs with other old stiffs is not rebuilding.

because imo they still think they can get into the playoffs. The coach, despite what he says, no doubt wants to sneak in so then can say how great of a job he did. With the 2 injured players back they are wetting there pants so to speak.

No if those 2 are not good and they are very bad come January then maybe then they see a shift in philosophy . Doubt it but one can just hope.

To not play the 3 in bold is a disgrace. Desnoyers still a little young so no issue with him in LHV. Also w0uldnt have an issue with him on the flyers.

 

[tnfrs]

This team isn’t going to be very good. The return of Couturier and Atkinson won’t move the meter too much in the Flyers’ favor. There are just too many holes in the roster. So then why not play Desnoyers, Foerster, Zamula and Attard? Their performances aren’t going to be much worse, if any, from the vets that they replace. The young guys will get NHL experience which is superior to playing in the AHL. Rebuilding means replacing what exists. Replacing old stiffs with other old stiffs is not rebuilding.

i think the idea this year was to keep enough players in lehigh so they can continue growing together and not have to sign a bunch of AHLers again. a guy like brink isnt being put in the best position to succeed playing on the 4th line, its why even a coach like rotenberg who has borscht for brains loaned out a generational player to a competing team just to make sure he got the right minutes.

 

[deadhead]

I'm pretty mad at the idea that Atkinson coming back also means that Foerster probably doesn't play full time. The only way that happens is if Cates is back to LW and we all know that won't happen.

Considering we got Staal, Walker and Seeler, no f***ing way does Attard or Zamula touch the ice unless it's significant injuries.

Desnoyers seems like he would be a good 4th line fit, but with ND, Hathaway (I think he's a good bottom 6 player, but he's not really what we needed on this team) and Poehling on the books, no way does he ever smell the ice.

If you're rebuilding, there's no need to rush players.
And if you want to obtain assets, you have to play Atkinson et al.

Foerster is competing with 26 year old Allison for the 3RW spot, not Atkinson. Either Atkinson or Tippet will be 2LW.
Zamula will make the team and play, Torts likes him.

With players like Andrae, Attard, Ginning, Grans, it's about showing you're NHL ready - in that case they'll find a spot - but if you're a mediocre performer in LHV, what's the point of giving you NHL PT?

Same holds for Lycksell, Brink, Desnoyers and Wisdom.

Does anyone seriously believe that adding Staal and Hathaway, and keeping Seeler, is about trying to make the playoffs? I mean do you think they will move the needle?

 

[blackjackmulligan]

If you're rebuilding, there's no need to rush players.
And if you want to obtain assets, you have to play Atkinson et al.

Foerster is competing with 26 year old Allison for the 3RW spot, not Atkinson. Either Atkinson or Tippet will be 2LW.
Zamula will make the team and play, Torts likes him.

With players like Andrae, Attard, Ginning, Grans, it's about showing you're NHL ready - in that case they'll find a spot - but if you're a mediocre performer in LHV, what's the point of giving you NHL PT?

Same holds for Lycksell, Brink, Desnoyers and Wisdom.

Does anyone seriously believe that adding Staal and Hathaway, and keeping Seeler, is about trying to make the playoffs? I mean do you think they will move the needle?

thats what rebuilding teams do. Also some play better at the NHL level than AHL.

Add in you know what the crusty vets give you. See what the younger guys give you. At the end of the day the team still isnt good and you had a chance to see a 24 year old Attard and decide to see if worth keepong around.

ollie will never be in the flyers lineup as a regular.

yes it is to some extent them trying to make the playoffs as they refuse to give an unknown a shot.

 

[deadhead]

thats what rebuilding teams do. Also some play better at the NHL level than AHL.

That's very rare. What is far more common are players who get rushed and ruined, their confidence crushed by being thrown into a situation over their head. I think the worst example is NFL QBs, where they start too soon and never get comfortable. But it applies to all sports, failure breeds failure.

One advantage of starting in the AHL, succeeding there and then getting promoted is the player has a taste of success and then little pressure b/c he's not expected to play a major role.

I think a bigger problem are the kids who are AHL ready at 18 or 19, not good enough for the NHL, but wasting their time in the CHL - Flahr made a good point, top players in the CHL can play 25-30 minutes a night and learn to glide through shifts to conserve energy - then get to the pro game and have to learn to play hard every minute b/c they're only playing 12-15 minutes a night. Top CHL players can develop bad habits b/c you can get away with things that won't work at higher levels.

One advantage of European players is they get promoted when deemed ready, and not based on age - the disadvantage is that the SHL and KHL are not development leagues. Which is why it's good that Andrae can got to LHV if he doesn't make the NHL team.

 

[Rebels57]

I hope Atkinson plays well so they can trade his annoying Leave it to Beaver ass.

 

[Adam Warlock]

Sounds like the rookies mailed it in over the weekend.

Good. Let the mutiny start early. Fight back at this clown "gotta earn a spot in camp" culture.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

So the predictions formerly known as January have now been walked back to April, eh?

 

[deadhead]

Sounds like the rookies mailed it in over the weekend.

Good. Let the mutiny start early. Fight back at this clown "gotta earn a spot in camp" culture.

Patrick Sharp, a three-time Stanley Cup champion and now special advisor to the Flyers' hockey ops, helped provide some of that perspective from his own personal experience in rookie games.

"He said the first one he played in he was all excited and the second and third ones are really hard to play in just because your focus is more on the main camp," Flahr said. "I think there's a little bit of that in it."

Foerster, Brink and Desnoyers know that rookie camp is meaningless for them, just a chance to get their game legs going into TC.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Patrick Sharp, a three-time Stanley Cup champion and now special advisor to the Flyers' hockey ops, helped provide some of that perspective from his own personal experience in rookie games.

"He said the first one he played in he was all excited and the second and third ones are really hard to play in just because your focus is more on the main camp," Flahr said. "I think there's a little bit of that in it."

Foerster, Brink and Desnoyers know that rookie camp is meaningless for them, just a chance to get their game legs going into TC.

so you just casually dismiss a poor performance? Forest should have flat out dominated.

Also as far as any potential Atkinson trade, no matter how good he may play they will have to eat money or take back a contract to make a trade work. This also assume the co-GM gives his approval for said trade.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

so you just casually dismiss a poor performance? Forest should have flat out dominated.

Also as far as any potential Atkinson trade, no matter how good he may play they will have to eat money or take back a contract to make a trade work. This also assume the co-GM gives his approval for said trade.

The thing is, Torts LOVES Atkinson and has since his Columbus days. And if there's any leeway in the idea that Torts prevented Laughton from being traded, you can bet your ass that Atkinson isn't going anywhere.

You don't have to dominate per se in these rookie games to have a great career. We just signed someone to an AHL deal as a camp invite because he did well in the rookie games, that doesn't make him a better player than Foerster. Jon Sim was a notoriously great in the pre-season but never in the regular season.

Regardless, Foerster showed last year up with the big club during actual regular season games and has done well in the AHL as well, the kid deserves that chance. And considering how we're going to be a bottom feeder team, there is no reason a pointless vet should be playing over him.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

The thing is, Torts LOVES Atkinson and has since his Columbus days. And if there's any leeway in the idea that Torts prevented Laughton from being traded, you can bet your ass that Atkinson isn't going anywhere.

You don't have to dominate per se in these rookie games to have a great career. We just signed someone to an AHL deal as a camp invite because he did well in the rookie games, that doesn't make him a better player than Foerster. Jon Sim was a notoriously great in the pre-season but never in the regular season.

Regardless, Foerster showed last year up with the big club during actual regular season games and has done well in the AHL as well, the kid deserves that chance. And considering how we're going to be a bottom feeder team, there is no reason a pointless vet should be playing over him.

don't disagree about Forest. For me I just wanted to see more. Play with more urgency and show that hunger is all. He did well in his cameo and imo should have finished the year on the Flyers. Not AHL.

 

[FlyerNutter]

I enjoy the concept that remains that the Flyers are still somehow rebuilding simply because they have resisted to sign some FA’s.

Status quo as always, but what would one expect from a team held in a chokehold by its pathetic alumni.

 

[Adam Warlock]

Patrick Sharp, a three-time Stanley Cup champion and now special advisor to the Flyers' hockey ops, helped provide some of that perspective from his own personal experience in rookie games.

"He said the first one he played in he was all excited and the second and third ones are really hard to play in just because your focus is more on the main camp," Flahr said. "I think there's a little bit of that in it."

Foerster, Brink and Desnoyers know that rookie camp is meaningless for them, just a chance to get their game legs going into TC.

Exactly my point. These guys have been with the org for years. Theyve done everything asked of them and the coaches should know its time to see them at the NHL full time. The fact that they are showing up being told "gotta earn it in camp" still is ridiculous...esp with a rebuilding team. Let them use training camp to train and get themselves ready...not subject them to stupid mind games.

Im glad these guys dogged it in the rookie game and that it pissed Lappy off.

 

[deadhead]

This is 2023, players should arrive in TC in shape for the season, not use TC to get into shape.
So of course they "have to prove it," just like the marginal veterans.
Seeler should feel no more secure than Andrae.

It's one thing to give TK job security, he's earned it, but Foerster, nah.
Until you have a NHL track record, you're suspect, period.

 

[bennysflyers16]

This is 2023, players should arrive in TC in shape for the season, not use TC to get into shape.
So of course they "have to prove it," just like the marginal veterans.
Seeler should feel no more secure than Andrae.

It's one thing to give TK job security, he's earned it, but Foerster, nah.
Until you have a NHL track record, you're suspect, period.

How can you even type this LOL

 

[Curufinwe]

How can you even type this LOL

It can happen when you have lost all connection with Flyers reality and exist in an alternate universe

 

[Velvet Hammer]

The hand-wringing and consternation about imagined pairings and blockers is comical. Training camp hasn't started nor have an lines/rushes been created (rookie scrimmages just don't count). Relax people ffs. Let it play out before riling yourselves up into a tizzy. #Breathe

 

[Rebels57]

It can happen when you have lost all connection with Flyers reality and exist in an alternate universe

Or when you troll for attention, which I assume is the case as always, event though I can't see the post.

 

[Adam Warlock]

This is 2023, players should arrive in TC in shape for the season, not use TC to get into shape.
So of course they "have to prove it," just like the marginal veterans.
Seeler should feel no more secure than Andrae.

It's one thing to give TK job security, he's earned it, but Foerster, nah.
Until you have a NHL track record, you're suspect, period.

It is literally called "Training Camp". Guys come workout all summer but still the purpose is to get into game shape and shake off the rust.

An organization should make roster decisions based on more than a 3 week camp. They should know the Zamula, Attard, Foerster, Brink, etc crowd well enough by now and for purposes of the rebuild...its kind of do or die time for those guys anyway. They have the luxory of being able to give them a full season to show what they have at the NHL level. It doesnt do those players any good being in the AHL...so puttimg them there bc theyre not peaking in september is ridiculous. Remember when the great twarenski made it out of camp? He was sent down 2 weeks later. Serves no purpose but to tickle the egos of the dinosaurs.

 

[GKJ]

Zamula is now wearing #5

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

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