Training Camp 2023

[tnfrs]

Ciernik really came over for camp? That’s odd.

he just scored, he looked good in the 1st period was quiet in the 2nd except for that goal

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Carter Sotheran has played a steady game through two periods kept seeing his number pop up.

The centers have been quiet as haven’t heard much from Desnoyers, Barkey, Faunchon or Gaucher.

 

[tymed]

I just heard ginning, yinning, jinning, and zinning all in a single period, which is it haha

 

[FLYguy3911]

 

[tnfrs]

I just heard ginning, yinning, jinning, and zinning all in a single period, which is it haha

jimming

 

[Rebels57]

This belongs in the Septic Tank thread

 

[tnfrs]

Carter Sotheran has played a steady game through two periods kept seeing his number pop up.

The centers have been quiet as haven’t heard much from Desnoyers, Barkey, Faunchon or Gaucher.

65 and 75 have been making really smart plays all game

 

[Magua]

This is why Charlie is my go-to prospect camp guy.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

This is why Charlie is my go-to rookie camp guy.

You mean “Dev Camp”?

 

[Magua]

You mean “Dev Camp”?

Every camp. His evaluating and attention to detail is uncanny. I can’t wait to hear Bill Matz’s thoughts too.

 

[CutOnDime97]

Every camp. His evaluating and attention to detail is uncanny. I can’t wait to hear Bill Matz’s thoughts too.

They are 2 great hockey minds but frankly the void left by the Three Pigeons Puckcast will never be filled

 

[FLYguy3911]

They are 2 great hockey minds but frankly the void left by the Three Pigeons Puckcast will never be filled

Forgot about them. Surprised they didn't get picked up by another outlet.

 

[tymed]

I take it there's no links floating around for rookie game #2?

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Really funny how articles keep popping up about Foerster getting a spot full time in the roster and I'm pretty sure we all know with the recent signings and guard change, he'll be an AHL staple. Remember, vets, even if they suck, get priority over the kids that clearly do better than them.

 

[deadhead]

Foerster, Desnoyers and Andrae are having practice scrimmages in these rookie games.
They know it's their performance in TC that matters.

Foerster is the only one with a clear path to a NHL spot, he just has to beat out Allison at RW.
Brink probably needs time in the AHL to deal with smaller windows and more physical play.
Andrae will be initially blocked by Zamula (no options left), York, Risto, Sanheim and Walker are locks, Zamula unless he's so bad they give up on him. Attard is a RHD so he'd win any tie.

Phantoms could be pretty good:

RW: Brink, Tuomaala, Marody, Wisdom
C: Desnoyers, Brooks, Avon, Gardner
LW: Lycksell, Brown?, Gaucher?

LHD: Andre, Ginning, Millman, Zmolek
RHD: Attard, Grans, Samson, Belpedio, Mete

G: Meier, ???

Probably add a veteran LW or two. Maybe Sandstrom if he passes through waivers.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Foerster, Desnoyers and Andrae are having practice scrimmages in these rookie games.
They know it's their performance in TC that matters.

Foerster is the only one with a clear path to a NHL spot, he just has to beat out Allison at RW.
Brink probably needs time in the AHL to deal with smaller windows and more physical play.
Andrae will be initially blocked by Zamula (no options left), York, Risto, Sanheim and Walker are locks, Zamula unless he's so bad they give up on him. Attard is a RHD so he'd win any tie.

Phantoms could be pretty good:

RW: Brink, Tuomaala, Marody, Wisdom
C: Desnoyers, Brooks, Avon, Gardner
LW: Lycksell, Brown?, Gaucher?

LHD: Andre, Ginning, Millman, Zmolek
RHD: Attard, Grans, Samson, Belpedio, Mete

G: Meier, ???

Probably add a veteran LW or two. Maybe Sandstrom if he passes through waivers.

Nothing they do matters. It's the reason why these events have become so thoroughly uninteresting. We annually watch players who are better than garbage veterans, or have more upside, never get a chance.

 

[macleish1974]

I listened to the game. Carson the goalie was a stiff on a wrap around. Same old “if they only could hit the net” . Wisdom only goal. Boring as hell. OK Andae was all over the place.

But the Rangers were not that much better. The Rangers played alot of AHLers.

That's the wrap......

 

[bennysflyers16]

Nothing they do matters. It's the reason why these events have become so thoroughly uninteresting. We annually watch players who are better than garbage veterans, or have more upside, never get a chance.

This is so true.

Th D is set with Seeler and staal as locks.

There are no spots in top 9 either.

Torts has his team

 

[deadhead]

Like last season, the team in April will look very different than the team in October.

I doubt Staal signed for the money, he's made way too much to play for a losing team for a pittance, unless he's either looking to get into coaching (that's where the Torts connection makes sense) or they have a handshake agreement to deal him to a playoff team at the TDL.

For Hathaway, signing with the Flyers probably made him an extra million or so over the next two years, which the Flyers will eat when they trade him to a playoff team - win win for both sides.

Poehling probably picked the Flyers b/c he's got a better change to play on a regular basis and revive his career. At 24, he's still got upside. Worth a look, if he doesn't perform, easy to waive to LHV.

As much as they like Seeler, Braun 14:59 and Seeler 14:29 played the least minutes of all D-men last year. Which shows you what they think of him, look for similar usage for Staal and Seeler this season. Walker is better than either of them, and RHD, so I expect him to pair with York initially. But he's TDL bait on a one year deal.

Deslauriers can read the handwriting on the wall, his NTC runs out next season, think he won't waive it the Flyers want to move him at the TDL?
Atkinson is wait and see, if he rebounds, he'll have a market if the Flyers retain.
But they only have 2 retention slots and Atkinson and Hathaway are on 2 year deals, so it will depend what's offered - they may take a bad contract back as an alternative (like Lemieux last season).

All these veterans are expendable, as well as Allison and Laczynski at 26, none are projected as part of a future Flyer playoff team.

Thing is a lot of prospects are on the cusp, but not close to being sure things.
Andrae, Ginning, Attard, Grans will probably start in LHV, but all are candidates for call-ups depending how they play. Same with Lycksell, Brink, Desnoyers, Wisdom.
None of these players are top of the line talents like Michkov and Gauthier.
They'll have to earn their promotion on the ice.

 

[tnfrs]

Like last season, the team in April will look very different than the team in October.

I doubt Staal signed for the money, he's made way too much to play for a losing team for a pittance, unless he's either looking to get into coaching (that's where the Torts connection makes sense) or they have a handshake agreement to deal him to a playoff team at the TDL.

For Hathaway, signing with the Flyers probably made him an extra million or so over the next two years, which the Flyers will eat when they trade him to a playoff team - win win for both sides.

Poehling probably picked the Flyers b/c he's got a better change to play on a regular basis and revive his career. At 24, he's still got upside. Worth a look, if he doesn't perform, easy to waive to LHV.

As much as they like Seeler, Braun 14:59 and Seeler 14:29 played the least minutes of all D-men last year. Which shows you what they think of him, look for similar usage for Staal and Seeler this season. Walker is better than either of them, and RHD, so I expect him to pair with York initially. But he's TDL bait on a one year deal.

Deslauriers can read the handwriting on the wall, his NTC runs out next season, think he won't waive it the Flyers want to move him at the TDL?
Atkinson is wait and see, if he rebounds, he'll have a market if the Flyers retain.
But they only have 2 retention slots and Atkinson and Hathaway are on 2 year deals, so it will depend what's offered - they may take a bad contract back as an alternative (like Lemieux last season).

All these veterans are expendable, as well as Allison and Laczynski at 26, none are projected as part of a future Flyer playoff team.

Thing is a lot of prospects are on the cusp, but not close to being sure things.
Andrae, Ginning, Attard, Grans will probably start in LHV, but all are candidates for call-ups depending how they play. Same with Lycksell, Brink, Desnoyers, Wisdom.
None of these players are top of the line talents like Michkov and Gauthier.
They'll have to earn their promotion on the ice.

i agree with pretty much everything here. theres no prospects that are so NHL ready they wont still benefit from another year with the phantoms, Foerster included. especially with as many guys on bridge deals as we have, its hard to expect them to earn their next contract if their linemates are rookies.

The guys that were supposed to be the leaders on the team last year weren't leading and have been replaced with guys that are known for their leadership and hard work, Staal and Hathaway werent brought in to take big roles, they were brought in to show guys how to rip their hearts out of their chests like lavy always wanted.

We used to be the comeback kids in 1 goal games, in the Richards days and most of G's time we could be counted on to tie a game in the last minute, it wasnt even a pressure situation it was just part of the strat it seemed like. I remember when we were down 5-1 against Carolina way back in like 2007 when you had to listen to the radio broadcast through the NHL website box score before video streaming was really a thing, and we came back and won 6-5. Im not saying this is the team that can do that, but those are the situations where having the right leadership helps you, and especially helps a young team.

This year the players and team are all betting that theyll be better than they were last were with the right pieces coming back from injury and the right style of veteran presence. If it all fails miserably, theres only a handful of contracts that will be hard to move, and a ton of spots opening in 2025. If players start the year and still look like shit, theres a whole season ahead to tear it down for scrap.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Like last season, the team in April will look very different than the team in October.

I doubt Staal signed for the money, he's made way too much to play for a losing team for a pittance, unless he's either looking to get into coaching (that's where the Torts connection makes sense) or they have a handshake agreement to deal him to a playoff team at the TDL.

For Hathaway, signing with the Flyers probably made him an extra million or so over the next two years, which the Flyers will eat when they trade him to a playoff team - win win for both sides.

Poehling probably picked the Flyers b/c he's got a better change to play on a regular basis and revive his career. At 24, he's still got upside. Worth a look, if he doesn't perform, easy to waive to LHV.

As much as they like Seeler, Braun 14:59 and Seeler 14:29 played the least minutes of all D-men last year. Which shows you what they think of him, look for similar usage for Staal and Seeler this season. Walker is better than either of them, and RHD, so I expect him to pair with York initially. But he's TDL bait on a one year deal.

Deslauriers can read the handwriting on the wall, his NTC runs out next season, think he won't waive it the Flyers want to move him at the TDL?
Atkinson is wait and see, if he rebounds, he'll have a market if the Flyers retain.
But they only have 2 retention slots and Atkinson and Hathaway are on 2 year deals, so it will depend what's offered - they may take a bad contract back as an alternative (like Lemieux last season).

All these veterans are expendable, as well as Allison and Laczynski at 26, none are projected as part of a future Flyer playoff team.

Thing is a lot of prospects are on the cusp, but not close to being sure things.
Andrae, Ginning, Attard, Grans will probably start in LHV, but all are candidates for call-ups depending how they play. Same with Lycksell, Brink, Desnoyers, Wisdom.
None of these players are top of the line talents like Michkov and Gauthier.
They'll have to earn their promotion on the ice.

The team in April looked almost just like the team in October rofl. The revolving door youth movement you insisted for months would happen because they're supposedly rebuilding, didn't happen. It isn't happening now. It will never happen until everyone is fired and the team completely changes how it works.

Briere isn't moving Deslauriers. That's his guy.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Name a team that gets less value out of ELCs?

 

[Magua]

Name a team that gets less value out of ELCs?

Name a team that gets more value out of bridges?

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Like last season, the team in April will look very different than the team in October.

I doubt Staal signed for the money, he's made way too much to play for a losing team for a pittance, unless he's either looking to get into coaching (that's where the Torts connection makes sense) or they have a handshake agreement to deal him to a playoff team at the TDL.

For Hathaway, signing with the Flyers probably made him an extra million or so over the next two years, which the Flyers will eat when they trade him to a playoff team - win win for both sides.

Poehling probably picked the Flyers b/c he's got a better change to play on a regular basis and revive his career. At 24, he's still got upside. Worth a look, if he doesn't perform, easy to waive to LHV.

As much as they like Seeler, Braun 14:59 and Seeler 14:29 played the least minutes of all D-men last year. Which shows you what they think of him, look for similar usage for Staal and Seeler this season. Walker is better than either of them, and RHD, so I expect him to pair with York initially. But he's TDL bait on a one year deal.

Deslauriers can read the handwriting on the wall, his NTC runs out next season, think he won't waive it the Flyers want to move him at the TDL?
Atkinson is wait and see, if he rebounds, he'll have a market if the Flyers retain.
But they only have 2 retention slots and Atkinson and Hathaway are on 2 year deals, so it will depend what's offered - they may take a bad contract back as an alternative (like Lemieux last season).

All these veterans are expendable, as well as Allison and Laczynski at 26, none are projected as part of a future Flyer playoff team.

Thing is a lot of prospects are on the cusp, but not close to being sure things.
Andrae, Ginning, Attard, Grans will probably start in LHV, but all are candidates for call-ups depending how they play. Same with Lycksell, Brink, Desnoyers, Wisdom.
None of these players are top of the line talents like Michkov and Gauthier.
They'll have to earn their promotion on the ice.

I admit it never gets old reading your unrealistic and optimistic take.

All those prospects you mention are nothing special. Majority will not be NHL players. You also need to slow your roll with Desnoyers imo.

As said before Grans isnt even in the conversation for any NHL time or role this season.

What you always seem to forget is the flyers do not want to move some of these players you mention. Nic D will not have value next summer. He is a declining player and no team is taking on his last 2 years. If they do then I will say I was wrong. GH will also not be moved. He signed her to be close to his family and has a young kid. Add to the fact he is a typical "flyer".

Staal imo will also not be moved. They will keep him as the 4th rd pick they will say isnt as valuable as what he brings. Plus I do not think he will want to move though that is subject to change.

Plus if they trade walker seeler and staal they will bring in a dman or 2 from said trades to finih out the year. So the 3 spots you see as open really will not be 3 spots. Walker is 100% going to be traded that I agree. Then again this is the flyers so maybe they extend him if he fits in the coach/co-gm's plans..........

 

[Curufinwe]

I admit it never gets old reading your unrealistic and optimistic take.

It gets funnier the more years in a row he makes similar outlandish predictions.

"Attard will replace Risto by January 2023" still makes me chuckle.