Training Camp 2023

[Magua]

I'm not convinced Bob Murray and Dean Lombardi aren't worse than Paul Holmgren. Not to mention being more heavily involved.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Hextall didn't do good.

Fletcher did the worst of any GM in team history. His performance is the worst in almost any team's history, actually. Fully brutal. Lost just about every move he made.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I'm not convinced Bob Murray and Dean Lombardi aren't worse than Paul Holmgren. Not to mention being more heavily involved.

You know it’s bad when I didn’t even know they hired Bob Murray.

 

[Curufinwe]

Anytime you can hire a 68 year old who left his last GM job after being investigated for verbal abuse, you gotta jump on that opportunity before another dinosaur hunting team beats you to it.

BREAKING: The Philadelphia Flyers Announce Major Front Office News

Major hirings and firings in Philadelphia!

www.flyersinsider.com

Ducks' Murray out, to seek help for alcohol abuse

A day after being placed on leave with the team on a road trip, Anaheim Ducks executive vice president and general manager Bob Murray resigned on Wednesday, and will enroll in an alcohol abuse program, the team announced.

www.espn.com

"We support the decision by Bob Murray to resign his position," the league wrote. "While we understand that he is seeking appropriate counselling and treatment for his personal issues, there is no excuse and there is no place in our League for the type of behavior that was recently reported through the NHL hotline.

"We thank the Ducks' organization for his prompt and appropriate response to the hotline reports. The league and its clubs are committed to a safe and welcoming workplace across the NHL and will continue to take any and all action to achieve that goal."

 

[kudymen]

Sentence #1: "where did I defend Chuck Kaprizov Fletcher?"
Next sentence: "he just did what he was told to do" (absolutely not absolving anyone of anything there)

Lol

 

[freakydallas13]

I'm not convinced Bob Murray and Dean Lombardi aren't worse than Paul Holmgren. Not to mention being more heavily involved.

Paul Holmgren made the most rebuild-esque trades this franchise has seen since Lindros, when he traded Richards and Carter away. Change my mind.

I've been vocal about being on team "Lombardi is the biggest turd in the punchbowl". His stink permeates every aspect of this franchise.

 

[trostol]

The kids may play...but signing vets makes the kids will play statement less believable

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

No we all said he did a bad job WHY YOU ARE DEFENDING CHUCKLES AT EVERY TURN! you hated hextall we get it, but holy f***, does chuckles have nude photos/videos of you and your wife doing the no no dance? You are going above and beyond to not admit he was just as bad if not worse! (Definitely worse)

We say we want Clarke and company gone (the same ones who YOU SAY made your lord and savior do these brain dead moves that you defend) and you immediately come to their aid, you've said they aren't around the team their golfing, which is clearly bullshit when you see them constantly in the box office with Jones.

We say chuckles sucked, you go straight into defense mode and bring up hextall, as if that's even remotely the same thing (it's not)

They say they're rebuilding, we show you that it's not a rebuild until they do more, you instantly go into a rant about tanking when that's not what we are talking about.

They tell us that they had a first offered for Laughton (which a rebuilding team should take 100 times out of 100) YOU DEFEND THEM.

YOU SAY THE KIDS WILL PLAY, they don't play and then YOU MAKE EXCUSES for why management doesn't play them, after we tell you year after God damn year, that's not the flyers way, they won't play

You get mad at beef and other mods and call them stalkers because they call you out on your bullshit and then you constantly have to be condescending towards everyone and talk about things as if you're all knowing and just the smartest guy in every room about every topic and subject.

We get it, you're against anything that considered main stream thoughts, we get it, but you can admit your wrong, I've said lots of things, alot are right, and hell alot have been wrong, I don't double down and talk down to people because I'm wrong, I listen, learn, and move on, why can't you do this?

Oh he didn't hate Hextall. Him and "Ron" were on a first name basis back then. Along with the same type of posts as now, where he'd post with full conviction things he had no way of knowing.

My favorite part of the last couple pages though...
HC: Our stances are being misrepresented purposely.
Deady in the very next post: So you think Hextall did a good job?

Amazing stuff

 

[Flyer lurker]

Hextall was c+/c gm. JVR was dumb move that tied up the cap 5 years.

Homer was a d for dumb gm. Can't trade picks every year without consequences.

Flusher was porn star triple f level.

Getting a 75 in college isn't good in college exam. But is sure is better than getting a 18 and flunking out.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Anytime you can hire a 68 year old who left his last GM job after being investigated for verbal abuse, you gotta jump on that opportunity before another dinosaur hunting team beats you to it.

BREAKING: The Philadelphia Flyers Announce Major Front Office News

Major hirings and firings in Philadelphia!

www.flyersinsider.com

Ducks' Murray out, to seek help for alcohol abuse

A day after being placed on leave with the team on a road trip, Anaheim Ducks executive vice president and general manager Bob Murray resigned on Wednesday, and will enroll in an alcohol abuse program, the team announced.

www.espn.com

"We support the decision by Bob Murray to resign his position," the league wrote. "While we understand that he is seeking appropriate counselling and treatment for his personal issues, there is no excuse and there is no place in our League for the type of behavior that was recently reported through the NHL hotline.

"We thank the Ducks' organization for his prompt and appropriate response to the hotline reports. The league and its clubs are committed to a safe and welcoming workplace across the NHL and will continue to take any and all action to achieve that goal."

Do you think this hire was driven by Jones or Briere? I myself have a hard time believing that.

Anytime you can hire a 68 year old who left his last GM job after being investigated for verbal abuse, you gotta jump on that opportunity before another dinosaur hunting team beats you to it.

BREAKING: The Philadelphia Flyers Announce Major Front Office News

Major hirings and firings in Philadelphia!

www.flyersinsider.com

Ducks' Murray out, to seek help for alcohol abuse

A day after being placed on leave with the team on a road trip, Anaheim Ducks executive vice president and general manager Bob Murray resigned on Wednesday, and will enroll in an alcohol abuse program, the team announced.

www.espn.com

"We support the decision by Bob Murray to resign his position," the league wrote. "While we understand that he is seeking appropriate counselling and treatment for his personal issues, there is no excuse and there is no place in our League for the type of behavior that was recently reported through the NHL hotline.

"We thank the Ducks' organization for his prompt and appropriate response to the hotline reports. The league and its clubs are committed to a safe and welcoming workplace across the NHL and will continue to take any and all action to achieve that goal."

Do you think this hire was driven by Jones or Briere? I myself have a hard time believing that.

 

[Tripod]

How about this comparison?

Hextall made the playoffs 2 times in 4.5 years
Chuck made the playoffs 1 time in 4.5 years

Hextall had 4 deadlines....2 as a playoff team, 2 as seller
Chuck had 5 deadlines...1 as a playoff team, 4 as a seller

Hextall added a NET 12 draft picks in his 4.5 years
Chuck added a NET -2 draft picks in his 4.5 years

So Hextall added 14 more picks than Fletch, was a seller at less deadlines, AND yet got in the playoffs more.

Yet somehow it's all Hextall's fault.....and Fletch made 1 mistake.

 

[BlackandOrange]

Hextall's biggest strengths were cap dump trades, and accumulating draft picks for sure.

 

[deadhead]

Hextall was also given a mandate to rebuild by Snider, then decided to "aggressively reload" instead - a true Flyer FO man! And he got lucky twice, #2 instead of #13, and #14 when he expected a pick in the 20s from St Louis. Balanced by Patrick coming up lame and Lindblom coming down with cancer.

Chuck was told to win now, I was happy that in the summer of 2019 he only traded a 2nd, 3rd rd & 5th rd pick in adding Niskanen, Braun and Hayes - GMs in that situation have been known to trade multiple 1st rd picks (see the Rangers, for example).

He was fine up to 2021, then he went bat shit crazy. Dumping Ghost and Voracek was obviously AV's demands - once you got into AV's doghouse, there was no getting out. Couldn't get Seattle to bite on Voracek or JVR, couldn't get anyone to take Ghost on waivers. Trading and signing Risto to an extension was shades of AMac, more draft value, a little less money (% of cap). Trading G was the right idea, then why trade for TDA? But he got us #5 and #7, Tippett and Florida's 1st, so he gets indirect credit for starting the rebuild.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Hextall was also given a mandate to rebuild by Snider, then decided to "aggressively reload" instead - a true Flyer FO man! And he got lucky twice, #2 instead of #13, and #14 when he expected a pick in the 20s from St Louis. Balanced by Patrick coming up lame and Lindblom coming down with cancer.

Chuck was told to win now, I was happy that in the summer of 2019 he only traded a 2nd, 3rd rd & 5th rd pick in adding Niskanen, Braun and Hayes - GMs in that situation have been known to trade multiple 1st rd picks (see the Rangers, for example).

He was fine up to 2021, then he went bat shit crazy. Dumping Ghost and Voracek was obviously AV's demands - once you got into AV's doghouse, there was no getting out. Couldn't get Seattle to bite on Voracek or JVR, couldn't get anyone to take Ghost on waivers. Trading and signing Risto to an extension was shades of AMac, more draft value, a little less money (% of cap). Trading G was the right idea, then why trade for TDA? But he got us #5 and #7, Tippett and Florida's 1st, so he gets indirect credit for starting the rebuild.

So you were wrong to vigorously defend everything he did and claim he was mistake-free from 2021-23?

Just going to pretend like you didn't write numerous daily manifestos extolling Fletcher's virtues in response to anyone who questioned anything?

 

[Appleyard]

 

[deadhead]

To me, Andrae looked typical for a Swede coming over from the SHL (KHL is moving to NA rinks, is that happening in the SHL?), adjusting to smaller windows on smaller ice. Don't think a couple months in the AHL will hurt his development, Lindblom needed a few months to adjust, and I'm sure you could give us a list of other young SHL players who needed a little time.

I think Brink is ready, but RW is crowded, and neither Brink nor Foerster have a lot of experience at LW. They've already moved Tippett over, they could move Atkinson or TK, but I think Brink might be your best bet. Again, a couple months in LHV won't hurt his game.

Briere has to play the kids at some point, but also has to try to get value for his excess veterans - playing the "best" team is not a goal this season, walking away with more assets while gradually moving the kids into the lineup should be the priority.

 

[Beef Invictus]

To me, Andrae looked typical for a Swede coming over from the SHL (KHL is moving to NA rinks, is that happening in the SHL?), adjusting to smaller windows on smaller ice. Don't think a couple months in the AHL will hurt his development, Lindblom needed a few months to adjust, and I'm sure you could give us a list of other young SHL players who needed a little time.

I think Brink is ready, but RW is crowded, and neither Brink nor Foerster have a lot of experience at LW. They've already moved Tippett over, they could move Atkinson or TK, but I think Brink might be your best bet. Again, a couple months in LHV won't hurt his game.

Briere has to play the kids at some point, but also has to try to get value for his excess veterans - playing the "best" team is not a goal this season, walking away with more assets while gradually moving the kids into the lineup should be the priority.

Why is RW crowded?

 

[blackjackmulligan]

To me, Andrae looked typical for a Swede coming over from the SHL (KHL is moving to NA rinks, is that happening in the SHL?), adjusting to smaller windows on smaller ice. Don't think a couple months in the AHL will hurt his development, Lindblom needed a few months to adjust, and I'm sure you could give us a list of other young SHL players who needed a little time.

I think Brink is ready, but RW is crowded, and neither Brink nor Foerster have a lot of experience at LW. They've already moved Tippett over, they could move Atkinson or TK, but I think Brink might be your best bet. Again, a couple months in LHV won't hurt his game.

Briere has to play the kids at some point, but also has to try to get value for his excess veterans - playing the "best" team is not a goal this season, walking away with more assets while gradually moving the kids into the lineup should be the priority.

you assume he wants to move said vets. Nic D should be in the press box then your forward situation is solved for the most part. There is zero reason not to have forest and Brink in the opening night lineup. Zamula as well. No reason at all.

 

[deadhead]

you assume he wants to move said vets. Nic D should be in the press box then your forward situation is solved for the most part. There is zero reason not to have forest and Brink in the opening night lineup. Zamula as well. No reason at all.

What's the rush? Flyers making a playoff push?
Why would I bury Laughton on the 4th line if I want value for him?

 

[blackjackmulligan]

What's the rush? Flyers making a playoff push?
Why would I bury Laughton on the 4th line if I want value for him?

its called earning your spot. Of which those 3 have done. Using word like "rush" and "patience" is a BS smokescreen. Yes the coach and co-gm 100% wants to be in the playoff race.

When your rebuilding you look towards the future do you not? Laughton has a pretty much set trade value at this point. It isn't gonna move much. He will still get his "minutes" overall. Another reason why he should have bene moved. Bury him lol

 

[tnfrs]

you assume he wants to move said vets. Nic D should be in the press box then your forward situation is solved for the most part. There is zero reason not to have forest and Brink in the opening night lineup. Zamula as well. No reason at all.

Brink and Foerster could go down to lehigh and absolutely feast on the competition there and thats what I wanted before camp started just to give them some extra seasoning, at this point they just need time with the big club to get used to the speed and be familiar with their teammates. Offensively Brink impressed me more, and Foerster's best moments were breaking up plays instead of making them. But if you want everybody to repeat this process year in year out, theres gotta be a reward for guys who follow through otherwise its just smoke blowing and that shit gets old fast.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Brink and Foerster could go down to lehigh and absolutely feast on the competition there and thats what I wanted before camp started just to give them some extra seasoning, at this point they just need time with the big club to get used to the speed and be familiar with their teammates. Offensively Brink impressed me more, and Foerster's best moments were breaking up plays instead of making them. But if you want everybody to repeat this process year in year out, theres gotta be a reward for guys who follow through otherwise its just smoke blowing and that shit gets old fast.

They both need to be on the NHL roster and playing in a top 9 role to start. If after x amount of games they are not producing or what not. then send them down.

Yes is it sends a bad mixed message to me.

 

[tnfrs]

Tortorella was saying the other day it was gonna be hard to keep Bob out of the top 6 and it looks like he's gonna run with that

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Tortorella was saying the other day it was gonna be hard to keep Bob out of the top 6 and it looks like he's gonna run with that

Team Pup 'n' Suds is here to stay!

 

[deadhead]

Tortorella was saying the other day it was gonna be hard to keep Bob out of the top 6 and it looks like he's gonna run with that

This looks like they're still looking at players and roles.
Don't have to make a decision until Monday.
Suspect Briere is keeping his phone close by. Allison and Laughton may have a market.

A lot of teams are close to the cap, and might want to work with a team that can absorb a million or two.