Training Camp 2023

[deadhead]

Lines tonight in Boston:

Tippett - Frost - Brink
Farabee - Desnoyers - Foerster
Deslauriers - Poehling - Hathaway
Bellerive - Goucher - Marody

Zamula - Sanheim
Mete - Grans
Seeler - Belpedio

Think Deslauriers has been playing these road games to discourage some AHL type (ask Mark Stone) from taking a run at a young Flyer.
Giving Desnoyers a great opportunity to demonstrate he's more than a 4th line prospect.
And Brink gets a shot to show he can play with the big boys.

Zamula siting!
Mete gets another look, insurance if York or Sanheim get hurt, b/c Flyers are short on puck moving defensemen.

39 points is a career high. That isnt producing much if he is your one of your top wingers. he gets a little pass last season no doubt

what do you expect from him points wise?

40+ at ES if Couts is close to 100%. PP scoring is too dependent on the unit as a whole to project.
I expect Tippett to play LW for Frost.
So Farabee - Couts - TK/Atkinson.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Lines tonight in Boston:

Tippett - Frost - Brink
Farabee - Desnoyers - Foerster
Deslauriers - Poehling - Hathaway
Bellerive - Goucher - Marody

Zamula - Sanheim
Mete - Grans
Seeler - Belpedio

Think Deslauriers has been playing these road games to discourage some AHL type (ask Mark Stone) from taking a run at a young Flyer.
Giving Desnoyers a great opportunity to demonstrate he's more than a 4th line prospect.
And Brink gets a shot to show he can play with the big boys.

Zamula siting!
Mete gets another look, insurance if York or Sanheim get hurt, b/c Flyers are short on puck moving defensemen.


40+ at ES if Couts is close to 100%. PP scoring is too dependent on the unit as a whole to project.
I expect Tippett to play LW for Frost.
So Farabee - Couts - TK/Atkinson.

give me total points with no if so and so is healthy. is 40-50 really a breakout year

Lines tonight in Boston:

Tippett - Frost - Brink
Farabee - Desnoyers - Foerster
Deslauriers - Poehling - Hathaway
Bellerive - Goucher - Marody

Zamula - Sanheim
Mete - Grans
Seeler - Belpedio

Think Deslauriers has been playing these road games to discourage some AHL type (ask Mark Stone) from taking a run at a young Flyer.
Giving Desnoyers a great opportunity to demonstrate he's more than a 4th line prospect.
And Brink gets a shot to show he can play with the big boys.

Zamula siting!
Mete gets another look, insurance if York or Sanheim get hurt, b/c Flyers are short on puck moving defensemen.


40+ at ES if Couts is close to 100%. PP scoring is too dependent on the unit as a whole to project.
I expect Tippett to play LW for Frost.
So Farabee - Couts - TK/Atkinson.

yeah peeps are so scared of him they may not want to win a job by "running" a young guy. Come on man

 

[Magua]

People have said Laczynski has looked good in camp/games. And ditto Lycksell.

I thought it was a real competition, no? Jobs to be won and all. I guess Tuomaala isn’t in this group for reasons.

 

[deadhead]

Tuomaala has looked good so far as a speedy forechecker. He'll end up in LHV, but they're looking at him in a new role.

Poehling, who is two years YOUNGER than Laczynski has looked good.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Tuomaala has looked good so far as a speedy forechecker. He'll end up in LHV, but they're looking at him in a new role.

Poehling, who is two years YOUNGER than Laczynski has looked good.

that is according to you. flyers still view him as a top 6 in LHV.

 

[Cody Webster]

Lines tonight in Boston:

Tippett - Frost - Brink
Farabee - Desnoyers - Foerster
Deslauriers - Poehling - Hathaway
Bellerive - Goucher - Marody

Zamula - Sanheim
Mete - Grans
Seeler - Belpedio

Think Deslauriers has been playing these road games to discourage some AHL type (ask Mark Stone) from taking a run at a young Flyer.
Giving Desnoyers a great opportunity to demonstrate he's more than a 4th line prospect.
And Brink gets a shot to show he can play with the big boys.

Zamula siting!
Mete gets another look, insurance if York or Sanheim get hurt, b/c Flyers are short on puck moving defensemen.


40+ at ES if Couts is close to 100%. PP scoring is too dependent on the unit as a whole to project.
I expect Tippett to play LW for Frost.
So Farabee - Couts - TK/Atkinson.

Remember when Deslauriers was on the ice last year and just watched some of the younger guys get their shit kicked in and did absolutely nothing? No one is afraid of Deslauriers. Just more fantasy land stuff from you

 

[deadhead]

Listened to Tort's Presser:

Couple guys have surprised him so far in camp, probably Tuomaala, Poehling, maybe Brown and Desnoyers.
Tuomaala impressed him with his explosive skating, wants to see him get a little time in a top six role for evaluation - probably less to make the team than set a baseline for LHV.

He pretty much leaves contracts, waiver status, etc. to Briere. He focuses on players on his NHL team, admits he doesn't know much about players like Tuomaala other than what he sees in camp. Which suggests he has little input in the draft (other than the kind of players he likes) b/c he's simply not interested in players he won't be coaching for years.

Does take into account how players looked last year (Foerster) but jobs are won in camp. Would like players to win jobs on merit (Ersson) but understands they don't want to lose players on waivers until they build up depth. I think he'll lobby for players with Briere, but understands that cap considerations, waiver status, potential trades, etc. will be part of the final decisions.

Zamula surprised them with how fast he was ready coming off shoulder surgery.

Impression I got was he wants players to force their way into the lineup, and veterans aren't guaranteed anything, neither are prospects whatever their draft status. Obviously, players with long track records like Couts will get the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

flyers top defender?



Deadhead.

Quote of the year goes to you, congratulations my good sir

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

Remember when Deslauriers was on the ice last year and just watched some of the younger guys get their shit kicked in and did absolutely nothing? No one is afraid of Deslauriers. Just more fantasy land stuff from you

Here's Nic D and Zack attack being "deterents". It's the worst narrative in hockey.

Listened to Tort's Presser:

Couple guys have surprised him so far in camp, probably Tuomaala, Poehling, maybe Brown and Desnoyers.
Tuomaala impressed him with his explosive skating, wants to see him get a little time in a top six role for evaluation - probably less to make the team than set a baseline for LHV.

He pretty much leaves contracts, waiver status, etc. to Briere. He focuses on players on his NHL team, admits he doesn't know much about players like Tuomaala other than what he sees in camp. Which suggests he has little input in the draft (other than the kind of players he likes) b/c he's simply not interested in players he won't be coaching for years.

Does take into account how players looked last year (Foerster) but jobs are won in camp. Would like players to win jobs on merit (Ersson) but understands they don't want to lose players on waivers until they build up depth. I think he'll lobby for players with Briere, but understands that cap considerations, waiver status, potential trades, etc. will be part of the final decisions.

Zamula surprised them with how fast he was ready coming off shoulder surgery.

Impression I got was he wants players to force their way into the lineup, and veterans aren't guaranteed anything, neither are prospects whatever their draft status. Obviously, players with long track records like Couts will get the benefit of the doubt.

Young guys have to force their way onto the team, vets aren't guaranteed anything, but ties go to the vet? Cool.

 

[deadhead]

For all you apathetic fans, you missed a great game, yeah it's preseason, but this game was fun!
And yeah, Flyers aren't as hopeless as some try to pretend.

Brink - this was the first time I've seen the Brink that was the NCAA scoring leader at 20. Skated at another level from last season, scored on a great forehand shot against Ullmark, then in the shootout a great backhand to the upper corner. Had some other scoring chances, some nifty passes, one to set up a goal on the PP. Also played physical, hitting people, fighting for pucks, etc. Just one game, but if he does this the next few games, he's never going to see LHV again.

Tippett - same as last year, a bull in a china shop approach, flying around, blowing some plays but also making some nifty plays but always in the action.

Frost - MIA for most of the first two periods, then realized Torts was watching and turned it in the 34d period and overtime and scored on the shootout.

Foerster - a little up and down, but made some nice passes, didn't hurt himself, didn't separate himself either.

Farabee - stronger, healthy, much better than last year. One boneheaded pass, got stoned a couple times by Ullmarke but also beat him with a beautiful shot after stealing the puck.

Desnoyers - didn't really notice him, which isn't good.

Poehling - he's the reason Laczynski probably won't make the team. He's driving that line, and I have no idea why a PO team didn't sign him. A bottom six player b/c he never developed enough offensive skill, but looks like a good bottom six center.

Zamula - I think on this one, ASF is blowing smoke out of his ass. I was skeptical of the 200 lb stories, but he's definitely thicker and stronger. Just looked more decisive, more physical , more focused, like a real NHL D-man. Solid all game.

Sanheim - looks like a man on a mission, played physical, aggressive, like a guy who is accepting the challenge of being a 1st pair D-man.

Ersson - look fine, didn't see a lot of shots, first goal was a great setup, second was Pastrnak beating him on a breakaway off a bad Farabee pass.

Peterson - a little shaky when he came in the 2nd period, then lights out in the 3rd and overtime, some spectacular saves.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Tuomaala has looked good so far as a speedy forechecker. He'll end up in LHV, but they're looking at him in a new role.

Poehling, who is two years YOUNGER than Laczynski has looked good.

What new role , there is no spot available

 

[Beef Invictus]

Tuomaala has looked good so far as a speedy forechecker. He'll end up in LHV, but they're looking at him in a new role.

Poehling, who is two years YOUNGER than Laczynski has looked good.

You have absolutely no idea what they're thinking.

 

[ybnvs]

Frost - MIA for most of the first two periods, then realized Torts was watching and turned it in the 34d period and overtime and scored on the shootout.

You are so annoying with your agenda, man.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

For all you apathetic fans, you missed a great game, yeah it's preseason, but this game was fun!
And yeah, Flyers aren't as hopeless as some try to pretend.

Brink - this was the first time I've seen the Brink that was the NCAA scoring leader at 20. Skated at another level from last season, scored on a great forehand shot against Ullmark, then in the shootout a great backhand to the upper corner. Had some other scoring chances, some nifty passes, one to set up a goal on the PP. Also played physical, hitting people, fighting for pucks, etc. Just one game, but if he does this the next few games, he's never going to see LHV again.

Tippett - same as last year, a bull in a china shop approach, flying around, blowing some plays but also making some nifty plays but always in the action.

Frost - MIA for most of the first two periods, then realized Torts was watching and turned it in the 34d period and overtime and scored on the shootout.

Foerster - a little up and down, but made some nice passes, didn't hurt himself, didn't separate himself either.

Farabee - stronger, healthy, much better than last year. One boneheaded pass, got stoned a couple times by Ullmarke but also beat him with a beautiful shot after stealing the puck.

Desnoyers - didn't really notice him, which isn't good.

Poehling - he's the reason Laczynski probably won't make the team. He's driving that line, and I have no idea why a PO team didn't sign him. A bottom six player b/c he never developed enough offensive skill, but looks like a good bottom six center.

Zamula - I think on this one, ASF is blowing smoke out of his ass. I was skeptical of the 200 lb stories, but he's definitely thicker and stronger. Just looked more decisive, more physical , more focused, like a real NHL D-man. Solid all game.

Sanheim - looks like a man on a mission, played physical, aggressive, like a guy who is accepting the challenge of being a 1st pair D-man.

Ersson - look fine, didn't see a lot of shots, first goal was a great setup, second was Pastrnak beating him on a breakaway off a bad Farabee pass.

Peterson - a little shaky when he came in the 2nd period, then lights out in the 3rd and overtime, some spectacular saves.

will brink take the spot of the Forest? Guess that's the only intrigue left in camp really.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I spit out my coffee at that Frost line.

 

[VladDrag]

You are so annoying with your agenda, man.

Never mind the fact that if he played like that every single shift, he would be a legit top 3-5 skater in the league. The ability to consistently generate those types of scoring chances is what sets the best in the world apart from the rest.

For a guy who claims to know statistics it’s like he doesn’t understand variance in an actual setting. Sometimes players have those good periods, sometimes they go 2-games without generating a shot. What is exciting is that Frost is continuing his play from last season.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Never mind the fact that if he played like that every single shift, he would be a legit top 3-5 skater in the league. The ability to consistently generate those types of scoring chances is what sets the best in the world apart from the rest.

For a guy who claims to know statistics it’s like he doesn’t understand variance in an actual setting. Sometimes players have those good periods, sometimes they go 2-games without generating a shot. What is exciting is that Frost is continuing his play from last season.

It's simple. Frost must be held to an impossible standard because that's what is required to justify the continuously bad decision making management has employed around him.

 

[deadhead]

Never mind the fact that if he played like that every single shift, he would be a legit top 3-5 skater in the league. The ability to consistently generate those types of scoring chances is what sets the best in the world apart from the rest.

For a guy who claims to know statistics it’s like he doesn’t understand variance in an actual setting. Sometimes players have those good periods, sometimes they go 2-games without generating a shot. What is exciting is that Frost is continuing his play from last season.

That's why Torts pushes Frost. A lot of skill players bring bad habits out of the CHL b/c they play a lot of minutes at lower levels and glide through shifts to conserve energy. At the NHL level, only McDavid can justify playing that way. Frost is only going to play 15-17 minutes a night at the NHL level, he has to learn to bring it every shift.

He wouldn't be a top 5 skater if he played with a hjgher motor, but he'd be a legitimate 2C and maybe a borderline 1C. Frost is good, but he's not as skilled/smart as Point or Sidney and lacks the body to be a two way center impacting the game at both ends like McKinnon.

 

[VladDrag]

That's why Torts pushes Frost. A lot of skill players bring bad habits out of the CHL b/c they play a lot of minutes at lower levels and glide through shifts to conserve energy. At the NHL level, only McDavid can justify playing that way. Frost is only going to play 15-17 minutes a night at the NHL level, he has to learn to bring it every shift.

He wouldn't be a top 5 skater if he played with a hjgher motor, but he'd be a legitimate 2C and maybe a borderline 1C. Frost is good, but he's not as skilled/smart as Point or Sidney and lacks the body to be a two way center impacting the game at both ends like McKinnon.

This is exactly what I am talking about. You have no idea what you are watching…

McDavid does anything by glide around.

McKinnon’s not a good defensive player…here is player card from the last 3-years from EH.

mackinnon’s career defensive impact from HZ (positive isn’t good)

 

[pit]

Listened to Tort's Presser:

He pretty much leaves contracts, waiver status, etc. to Briere. He focuses on players on his NHL team, admits he doesn't know much about players like Tuomaala other than what he sees in camp. Which suggests he has little input in the draft (other than the kind of players he likes) b/c he's simply not interested in players he won't be coaching for years.

Nothing like saying out loud that you're basing decisions on a small sample size. Seems like a tremendous path to success.

How the hell does Tortorella know when he will or won't be coaching them? Isn't he in part helping to determine who makes this team?

But there's no bias against young players and everyone has an equal chance. Except in the event of a tie.

Truly truly true.

 

[Flyer lurker]

You are so annoying with your agenda, man.

The comedy gold is worth it.

You would think 44 is Tkachuk and Frost is Dopita.

 

[deadhead]

Nothing like saying out loud that you're basing decisions on a small sample size. Seems like a tremendous path to success.

How the hell does Tortorella know when he will or won't be coaching them? Isn't he in part helping to determine who makes this team?

But there's no bias against young players and everyone has an equal chance. Except in the event of a tie.

Truly truly true.

It simply means Torts doesn't care about players who are years away from the NHL. He leaves that to Briere. His focus is on the players he'll be potentially coaching this year, not two or three years from now. Why should he care about Bonk until he goes pro? Bonk's game may be very different in 3 years as he fills out, improves his skating and maybe plays a bigger offensive role in the CHL. Torts will worry about Bonk at 21, fighting for a NHL job.

 

[kudymen]

Guy whose job is to be standing on the bench and who decides to go several floors higher and away instead doesn't care about the ones who are years away only.
Hahahahahahahaha

 

[deadhead]

This is exactly what I am talking about. You have no idea what you are watching…

McDavid does anything by glide around.

McKinnon’s not a good defensive player…here is player card from the last 3-years from EH.

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McKinnon is when he wants to be, see the 2021-22 playoffs.
That team won on defense.
Goalies had .903 Sv%, yet they only gave up 54 goals in 20 games.

McDavid averages 22 minutes a night and has done so the last five years, that's a heckuva workload for a center. I'm sure he "glides" at time - it's just that his acceleration is so good he can turn it on in an instant when he sees an opportunity to make a play.

 

[Curufinwe]

39 points is a career high.

Hmm, when have I heard that before? Oh right, from the people who claimed Couturier would never be more than a 3C.

Considering Farabee had 34 points in 63 games and 38 points in 55 games in the previous two seasons, it’s dumb to act like 39 points a year after major surgery is his limit.